A History of the Bates Family



This is my third - and last - attempt to tell the history of our family.  Whilst in places it leans heavily on the first two, it incorporates a lot of new material and hopefully results in a more coherent account.


Whilst researching and writing the first account I was indebted to Mrs Liz Longhurst, Mrs Mary Gill and Mrs Joyce Nicholl who provided me with a great deal of material and information.  My debt now extends to Mr David Baines, a local historian, whose research into the history of Hertfordshire, and in particularly into the history of Offley and district, has been extremely valuable to me.  I have quoted quite frequently from his book, "Two Coats Colder - Chronicles of Offley in Hertfordshire", published in 1994. Also to Mrs Rosemary Day, a distant cousin, who, in stumbling upon the Bates' as part of her researches into her own family, has discovered members of my family that had previously eluded me.

My hope is that this account will prove interesting to members of our family both present and future and that the strivings of past generations can prove to be an inspiration for those to come.


My researches into the Bates family reveal nothing that is truly out of the ordinary, yet much that is of interest.   They reveal a typically English lower/middle class family that has worked hard to maintain some very English characteristics and traditions.  These include such traits as respectability, decency, stability, devotion, financial independence and respect for law, order and the accepted standards of behaviour.  Along the way there has occurred the occasional tragedy that is counter-balanced by the occasional achievement that is demonstrably outstanding.  There are many examples of much honest toil and good living which, in turn, is countered by the odd 'skeleton' and acts of minor indiscretion or even wickedness.   The researches have also revealed the changing nature of society over the centuries, especially from an economic, social and religious point of view, and the way individuals have reacted to those changes.


Originating in the County of Hertfordshire, England and belonging to a static close-knit, rural community, the Bates family now extends to the U.S.A. and the Antipodes, although they remain essentially an English family.  Their occupations, interests, way of life and beliefs have changed out of all recognition over the past three centuries, yet the needs of the individual remain essentially the same - to be brought up in a warm, caring environment, to be loved, to marry and raise a family, to make something of oneself in one's chosen career and to enjoy the fruits of those labours, especially in declining years.  These traits form a common thread over the centuries and, as good fortune would have it, the Bates family has been able, in the main, to enjoy the fruits of their labour amidst much good health and longevity.


Peter John Bates





The first mention of the Bates name is to be found in Yorkshire where the name occurred well before the Norman Conquest of 1066.  In origin, it would appear that the name either derived from Bartholomew and Bate or Bates was a pet form of the name and therefore meant Bartholomew's son, or the name is claimed by some to be derived from the Old English word 'bat' meaning boat, thus signifying boatman.


The family name Bates emerged as a notable English family name in the county of Yorkshire, where they settled in the East Riding.  By the year 1200 they had moved into Northumberland and in 1270 the death of Thomas del Bate was recorded in the county.  The family also moved into Scotland to escape the oppression of the Norman overlords.  Walter Bate rendered homage to Edward I during his brief conquest of Scotland; Walter held estates in Lanarkshire.  In Northumberland the family seat was at Millbourne Hall and Ovington Hall.  Thomas Bates of Morpeth was an MP and a great friend of Queen Mary and her half-sister Queen Elizabeth I.


By the Seventeenth Century the Bates family was well dispersed and elements of it could have been found in most parts of the country.


The most ancient grant of a Coat of Arms in the Bates name was a design consisting of 3 silver Right hands, palm forward, on a black background.  The crest was a naked man holding a willow wand and the family motto for the 'ancient and distinguished' family of Bates was "Et Manu Et Corde" - "With heart and hand".


The earliest origins of the branch of the Bates family to which the author belongs have been traced to the parish of Great Offley in Hertfordshire.




Generation No. 1 



An Attempt to Unravel the Mystery of the Origins of the Offley Connection


The earliest known member of our Bates family - and it must be remembered that as a family name it has been shared by many hundreds of families both in this country and abroad - was John Bates.  The date of his birth is unrecorded but in all probability he was born some time in the 1640's.  Whether or not he was born in Hertfordshire remains, at present, a mystery.  Extraneous evidence concerning the origins of the Bates family provides us with somewhat conflicting possibilities.  The Act of Settlement passed by Parliament in 1662 - an Act which made it more difficult for poor families to move from their places of birth - could suggest that an inward migration of John Bates' family or ancestors to Hertfordshire, if indeed that did occur, probably happened before 1662.  The 1653 Act of Parliament which gave parishes the responsibility for appointing a Parish Registrar to keep Parish Registers recording baptisms, marriages and deaths ought, if extant for Offley Parish, enable us to identify any evidence of the Bates' living in Offley or thereabouts in the years immediately following 1653.  We know from Baines (1994) that "John Deremer of Offley was appointed to that office and the same year the Offley Registers for baptism and marriages began, with the register for deaths commencing the following year.  Most of the records have survived though some are difficult to read and others decidedly muddled" (p.15).  These records, however, do not reveal any definite clues which would enable us to determine where our 1st generation John Bates was born.  The earliest identified recording of a Bates family entry in the Offley Parish register is in the year 1708.  It is that of the burial of Lettice Bates (nee Brock), wife of John Bates on 22 September 1708.  In that the Offley Parish Registers date from 1653 this suggests that the Bates family did not live in Offley before the latter part of the Seventeenth Century.  The Hertfordshire Quarter Sessions Book - sessions held at Hertford - records that on July 12th 1686 John Bates was sworn petty constable of Offley in place of James Arnold, and this represents an important clue in identifying the whereabouts of the Bates family in the second half of the Seventeenth Century.  Whatever conclusions we may care to come to however, based on the evidence that prompts them, though persuasive, are neither final nor irrefutable and the central question of the origins of the first recorded John Bates remains unanswered. 


Intriguing and sketchy are words which best describe not only John Bates's origins but also his life and family connections.  We do know that on 30 December 1679 he married Lettice Brock, by licence, at St Mary's Church, Hitchen.  John was probably a farm labourer or tenant farmer by trade and by 1686 was sufficiently well thought of as a man of character and integrity to be appointed the local parish petty constable for Offley.  Lettice Brock died in 1708 and was buried at Offley, and she bore for him at least two children, John Bates, born in 1692 and Mary Bates.  It is quite likely that John (1640) had at least one brother living locally, and in 1711 John remarried, his second wife being one Sarah Welsh.  He married Sarah, by banns, on 20 July 1711, the wedding taking place at Offley Parish Church. On this occasion he was described a ‘gentleman’. It can only be assumed John was doing well in life.


A relative, described as a labourer and confusingly also called John Bates is recorded as being buried at Offley on 6 October 1761. His wife, Mary was buried on 22 September 1745. Both burials took place at Offley.


There is plenty of evidence that points to the fact that Bates was not an uncommon name in the Hertfordshire area at this time. A John Bates married a Mary Hously in Baldock in 1715; various births, deaths and marriages of Bates’ are also recorded in Flamstead, Great Gaddesden, Harpenden, St. Albans, South Ippolits, Wiggington, Hemel Hempstead, Freesden and Kings Langley at this time. There might well have been a large number of Bates’ during this period living in the county who could all have described themselves as related to each other or part of a widely spread, extended family. However, as Bates is not an unusual name, it would be imprudent to make any such rash assertion. Given the extent and nature of my researches, it seems fairly certain that for my purposes, it is necessary for me to focus firmly on Great Offley and the immediate surrounding area to discover the earliest possible origins of my family.


By the time it is possible to identify positively the first known ancestors of our family, the village and parish with which they were to be most closely identified for the best part of 200 years - namely (Great) Offley - was already well established.  It was mentioned in the Domesday Book in 1086, the Church, dedicated to St Mary Magdalene, dates from the early Thirteenth Century (and probably earlier) and 5 church bells were installed between 1583 and 1632.  As Baines (1994) concluded, “The installation of 5 bells round about 1600 must indicate a period of relative prosperity for the village and at least for its leading land owners and farmers ....." (p.14).  He goes on to add a note of caution however in our attempts to form a picture of what the village and parish would have been like at this time by stating, "however the village must still have been quite small as a Terrier (a record of land holdings) was issued in 1638 showing a total of 131/2  acres for church glebe land and a further 1/2 acre of the churchyard" (p.14). 


By the second half of the Seventeenth Century, the Civil War was becoming a distant memory.  As far as Offley was concerned the period of civil and military upheavals between 1640-1660 appears not to have unduly disturbed the inhabitants.  The area was largely Parliamentarian in sympathy and apart from the occasional enlistment to Cromwell's New Model Army, the people of Offley would seem to have largely ignored events.  Consequently the annual cycle of agrarian activity, interspersed with the festivities of ‘Holy Days’ and punctuated by the inevitable births, marriages and deaths continued in its apparently timeless fashion.  Life for village folk would have been hard, often tedious and without the abundance and choice which characterises modern life.  Nevertheless the envy, greed and apparent frequent unhappiness that are often characteristics of modern Twentieth Century western society would have been almost certainly absent from rural folk's experiences during the Seventeenth Century.  Instead a sense of belonging to a self-sufficient agrarian community, of being part of an unchanging and unchangeable unfolding of endless generations, of being sustained by immutable, if unsophisticated, beliefs and of having a role, however humble, in the mystery of the Universe and the unfolding of the Almighty's plan; these would have been how Offley man and woman at the time, if they had been able to articulate their thoughts, would have explained how things were.


The Seventeenth Century saw the consolidation of the most important of the land-owning units of the village, the Manor of Offley St Legers, in the hands of the Spencer family, a wealthy Midland family whose descendants include Winston Churchill and the late Princess of Wales. Offley Place became the embodiment of the family's wealth and position in the village. Needless to say the family exerted a powerful influence over the village and the church.  The ownership of the Manor and of Offley Place was to change hands many times throughout the centuries but until very recent times these properties continued to dominate the economic and social life of both the village and the parish.  Other important properties which had already, by the Seventeenth Century, sprung into existence in and around the village of Offley included Wellbury (originally the Manor of Welle, mentioned in the Domesday Book), Little Offley (to the north of the village), Westbury Farm (as early as 1085 this manor consisted of nearly 1,000 acres) and Angels Farm, including what later became Great Offley House.  The latter two properties were eventually to become homes of members of the Bates family.


However the vast majority of village people at this time, numbering perhaps 500 or so souls, would have lived in altogether meaner and more humble surroundings, in houses long since demolished.  Only a few of the most prominent buildings of the Seventeenth Century survive today, along with the much altered Green Man Public House. There was not even a public well in the village until the turn of the last century.


Apart from the occasional episode of lawlessness, such as the outbreak of rioting in Offley in 1665, an episode which occurred at the time when the plague was rampant throughout the country, and the routine dangers and problems besetting travellers throughout the land (Offley by no means escaped the attention of highwaymen and 'footpads' both of whom caused the authorities much consternation), life in Offley would have been relatively free from serious crime.  Even so, John Bates was appointed petty constable for Offley in 1686, recognition not only of the regard in which he was held locally, but also of the need to constrain people from dishonest acts and taking the law into their own hands.  The Seventeenth Century ended, however, on a note of high drama and dismay.  In 1698 the Vicar of Offley, Richard Willowes was "barbarously murdered as he came home from Hitchin" (Baines, p.15).  His murderers were never apprehended.  It would be uncharitable to suppose that this was in any way due to John Bates' negligence or lack of commitment to his role as Offley Parish Constable.



1.  JOHN1 BATES (I) was born 1640 - 1650.  He married (1) LETTICE BROCK 30 Dec 1679 in Hitchen, Herts, England.  She died 1708 and buried 22 Sep 1708 in Offley, Herts, England.  He married (2) SARAH WELSH 20 Jul 1711 in Offley, Herts, England. 


The earliest known member of our Bates family was John Bates.  The date of his birth is unrecorded but in all probability he was born sometime in the 1640's.  It is quite likely that John (I) had at least one brother living locally, and in 1711 John remarried, his second wife being one Sarah Welsh.  He married Sarah, by banns, on 20 July 1711, the wedding taking place at Offley Parish Church. On this occasion he was described a ‘gentleman’. It can only be assumed John was doing well in life.


John Bates was appointed petty constable for Offley in 1686, recognition not only of the regard in which he was held locally, but also of the need to constrain people from dishonest acts and taking the law into their own hands.


Children of JOHN BATES and LETTICE BROCK are:

2.         i.   JOHN2 BATES II, b. 1692 and d. Aug 1719 in Offley, Herts, England.

               ii.   MARY BATES, m. JOHN HANLEY, 1710.





Generation No. 2 



The second generation of the Bates family of Offley continued to span the 17th and 18th Centuries.


We can imagine fairly readily what sort of life John and Mary Bates enjoyed during the relatively short time they had together as man and wife in their role of 2nd generation Bates'. Undoubtedly they and their family worshipped regularly at the parish church in Offley, dedicated to St Mary Magdalene.  Here John would have recalled the ministry of such rectors and vicars as Richard Willowes, "barbarously murdered by highwaymen as he came home from Hitchen" in 1698; William Thomas who would have baptised John and Elizabeth. His widow, Mary would have sat in the uncomfortable pews of St Mary Magdalene and been ministered to by Thomas Dane, Thomas Osborn, George Ault, Thomas Ringer and Thelwall St Salusbury who became one of the longest serving and most eminent of Offley's spiritual mentors.  She would have marvelled at the valuable pieces of silver plate that the church received in 1730, a fine set of typical church ornaments (chalice, paten - used as an alms dish - and flagon) which was valued in 1749 at £60.  The silverware was kept in a box in a chest with 3 locks; it would appear that the present generation is not the only one with problems of theft from holy places. Mary would have witnessed, in ecclesiastical terms, what Baines (p.16) describes as "the heyday of the fortunes of the church".  In 1761, some years after Mary had died a new chancel was installed and in all probability, this improvement in the fortunes of the parish church was a reflection of the political, social and economic stability which characterised the 18th Century and which saw Britain become the most powerful economic force in the world.  The history of Offley's most eminent residence, Offley Place, also reflected the growing feeling of national well-being and prosperity - though local, less fortunate residents would most probably have demanded, “Prosperity? What blessed prosperity?"  The Penrice family had, by 1726, firmly taken over control of Offley Place from the Spencer family and by the middle of the century, Anna Maria and her husband Thomas Salusbury had inherited the estate worth, in 1752, £150,000.John and his wife and after 1724, Mary and her second husband John Croft, along with the whole of the Offley community would have continued to accept a very real sense of isolation from the rest of the world.  Not only was the means of transportation limited to horse-back and horse-drawn vehicles, but the appalling state of the roads contributed in large part to the impracticability of travelling.  At the beginning of the 18th Century, John Spencer, one time owner-occupier of Offley Place complained - in 1708 - that the state of the “wayes” made travel virtually impossible.  Not only were the roads and tracks difficult, but also dangerous as the murder of Richard Williams, the Vicar of Offley, in 1698 testified. Nevertheless, within a relatively small geographical, say of 20 miles or so, there must have been some limited and at times important communication between communities. The records indicate that it was possible for young man and women from the countryside to marry from outside their immediate neighbourhoods.


Turning to another significant aspect of their lives, the residents of Offley were not only expected to obey the temporal laws of the land, but also the spiritual edicts of the Church which would have meant John Bates or John Croft being fined heavily if they had worked on a fast day, or not attended church with a degree of regularity.  In all probability, John Bates, the son of a former village constable would have had, in his relatively short life, a certain reputation to maintain as a law-abiding citizen.


So John Bates (II) would have experienced very few changes in his life-time that would have differentiated his life from that of his father.  His widow though would have witnessed in 1724 a significant event that took place when, thanks to the combined efforts of Rev. Thomas Dane and Alice Pigott (nee Spencer), the vicar was paid an annual sum of £20 to begin to provide a rudimentary, basic education for the village children.  Almost certainly neither John nor his wife Mary would have been able to read or write and it would be many generations hence before members of the lower orders were given the opportunity to acquire a significant education and the chance to make substantial social progress.  Perhaps the magnitude of this early, tentative education initiative of 1724 passed most adult villagers by altogether. Most probably Mary and John Croft would have been altogether more concerned with more mundane matters, though it may well have provided Mary’s children from both her marriages an opportunity to acquire some basic education.


John Bates was only 27 when he died. His adult life would have been dominated by the demands of assiduous toil, the need to maintain a fire in the hearth and a roof over his young family's head as well as food on the table, and it would have been punctuated by the occasional release from work of a holy-day or feast day and the frequent if irregular family celebrations of baptisms, marriages and funerals.


John Bates died in 1719 and his widow Mary passed away in 1755. John had died confident in the knowledge he had secured the continuity of the Bates family into the next generation.



2.  JOHN2 BATES (II) (son of JOHN1 [1]) was born 1692, and died Aug 1719, buried 25 Aug 1719 in Offley, Herts, England.  He married MARY FOARD 30 Dec 1711 in Offley, Herts, England, daughter of THOMAS FOARD and MARTHA.  She was born 1693 in Kings Langley, Herts, England, and died 1755 in Offley, Herts, England.


John Bates was born to his parents, John and Lettice Bates (nee Brock) in 1692. There is no evidence in the Offley Parish register of the birth but all the incidental evidence points to John jnr. being a resident of Offley.  He grew up to be a farm labourer, and on 30 December 1711, he married Mary Foard, born in 1693, in Kings Langley. Mary Foard hailed from Kings Langley where her parents, Thomas and Martha lived. Both her parents were aged 20 when she had been born. There is evidence that John had a sister called Mary who married John Hanley at Offley in1710. John and Mary Bates had three children; Mary, born in 1713 and baptised on 12 July at Kings Langley, John, born in 1716 and Elizabeth, born in 1720. John and Elizabeth were both baptised at Offley. Mary was baptised at Kings Langley. As her mother was from King’s Langley it is likely that John and Mary’s first-born daughter was born there, the couple perhaps starting their married life living with her parents.


Nevertheless, John and Mary Bates probably lived most of their short married life in Offley. In 1716 a son, John, was born and he was baptised at Offley. He was to become the focal point of the 2nd generation of the Bates family of Great Offley.  John and Mary’s third child, Elizabeth, born in 1720, married William Man in 1750 in Offley. By the time Elizabeth had been safely delivered, tragedy had struck the family in that John had died. He was buried on 25 August 1719 at Offley.


John Bates died in 1719 confident in the knowledge he had secured the continuity of the Bates family into the next generation.


Mary Foard hailed from Kings Langley where her parents, Thomas and Martha lived. Both her parents were aged 20 when she had been born.


Mary remained a widow for only a relatively short time. On 25 December 1724 she married a local Offley man, John Croft who, born in 1704, was just 20 years of age. The couple - she was some eleven years senior of her new husband - went on to have seven children of their own. Elizabeth born in 1724, John born in 1726, William born in 1735, Sarah born in 1736, Edward born in 1738 and James born in 1740 were all baptised at Offley. 


Mary passed away in 1755. Mary was doubly blessed in that she had not only contributed to the continuation of the Bates line but also, even more emphatically, to the Croft line.


Children of JOHN BATES and MARY FOARD are:

                i.   MARY3 BATES, b. 1713, Kings Langley, Herts, England; baptised: 12 Jul 1713, Kings Langley, Herts, England

3.        ii.   JOHN BATES (III), b. 1716 and d. 1794 in Offley, Herts, England.

               iii.   ELIZABETH BATES, b. 1720 and baptised 13 Nov 1720 in Offley, m. WILLIAM MAN, 13 Jan 1749/50 in Offley, Herts, England. 

William Man was most probably a local man and he was a witness at a wedding on 24 December 1755 at Offley between Robert Hudson and Elizabeth Crafts.  So Elizabeth was very likely to have lived in Offley, in close proximity to her brother and his family.


Children of MARY FOARD and JOHN CROFT are:

                i.   ELIZABETH3 CROFT, b. 1724, Offley, Herts, England.

               ii.   JOHN CROFT, b. 1726, Offley, Herts, England.

               iii.   WILLIAM CROFT, b. 1735, Offley, Herts, England.

               iv.   SARAH CROFT, b. 1736, Offley, Herts, England.

                v.   EDWARD CROFT, b. 1738, Offley, Herts, England.

               vi.   JAMES CROFT, b. 1740, Offley, Herts, England.




Generation No. 3 



The family historian will have discovered, very early into his researches, that in past centuries the family was mostly very limited in its choice of Christian names.  The options were usually restricted to either a biblical name, or a so-called royal name, and invariably the first born son took his father's first name.  Clearly these practices and restrictions no longer exist.  One way for the family historian to overcome the difficulty in distinguishing, say, one John Bates from all the other known generations of John Bates is to use the appendage, presently popular in the United States and borrowed from royal usage, so that John, the son of John Bates becomes John Bates II.  Thus it will be that the third generation of John Bates will be identified as John Bates III, the son of John Bates II and Mary (nee Foard).


John Bates (III) would have witnessed the alterations to Offley Church in 1774 and 1776, the most significant aspects of which were changes to the chancel.  Many, including a later vicar, Percy Gatty, regarded the changes as out of character and completely incongruous in relation to the rest of the church.  One would have expected parishioners at the time to have joined in a lively debate as to the worth of the changes.  The alterations were brought about by Dame Sarah Salusbury who also so invigorated the family fortunes that by 1800 she had consolidated 3 of the 4 most important estates of the village; Offley Place consisting of 2000 acres of land, the other two estates being Wellbury and Westbury.  Whether this consolidation of land and hence the greatly enhanced financial, political, social and ecclesiastical power of the Salusbury family within the village and parish was a development the parishioners approved of is hard to say.  Needless to say, it, and the works of Dame Sarah, would have provided a lively source of gossip and debate at the blacksmith's forge of John Bates (III).


Enclosures were beginning to have their social and economic effects on the poorer folk of the village by the time John Bates (III) was nearing the end of his life.  Denied grazing rights, many who could not lay a satisfactory legal claim to their land, or to the common pasture, would have been forced to sell, on disadvantageous terms, and become landless labourers.  The first Act of Enclosure that affected Offley was in 1767.  Fortunately the developing local craft of strawplaiting - to provide material for the hatmakers of Luton - which was to become a very important local cottage industry in the Nineteenth Century, must have alleviated, to some extent, the worst of the poverty in and around Offley that occurred due to enclosures and periodic agricultural depression.  Elizabeth Bates would probably have been fortunate enough to have stood aloof from this work as her husband would have been reasonably well insulated against the periodic hardship.



3.  JOHN3 BATES III (son of JOHN2  [2]) was born 1716, baptised 26 Nov 1752,in Offley, Herts, England, died 1794 and buried 03 May 1794 in Offley, Herts, England.  He married ELIZABETH PESTELL 07 Jun 1747 in Hexton, Herts, England, daughter of THOMAS PESTELL and MARY GOUDING.  She was born 1719 in Hexton, Herts, England, and died 1788 in Offley, Herts, England.


John Bates (III) was born in 1716, baptised in Offley Parish Church and died, aged 78, in 1794.  He grew up to be a blacksmith by trade and in 1747, aged 31, he married Elizabeth Pestell of Hexton (a nearby parish).  Elizabeth was three years younger than her husband, having been born in 1719.  She died in 1788.  They were married, almost certainly at Hexton.  Elizabeth's parents, Thomas and Mary Pestell (nee Gouding) had themselves been married on 29 December 1717 at King's Walden and were living in the parish of Hexton at the time of their daughter's wedding.  John and Elizabeth married by licence, as opposed to being married by publishing banns and after the wedding, the couple settled down to married life in Offley.  Records reveal that John Bates was eligible for Militia Service from 1761-1769 and that in 1772 he was established enough to employ a horsekeeper, a man called William.  John Bates died in 1794, being buried, like his wife, at Offley Parish Church on 3 May 1794.


John Bates (III) and his wife Elizabeth had three children who were to form the basis of the next generation of the Bates family.  They were John Bates (IV), baptised on 12 June 1748, Thomas Bates, baptised on 23 December 1750 and James Bates, baptised on 26 November 1752.  All three sons were baptised at Offley Parish Church.


John Bates (III) would have assumed an important and significant role in village life as a blacksmith.  Not only would he have shod horses and generally maintained the working and recreational fitness of the equine population, but he also would have been called upon to repair and make all manner of farming and domestic equipment and tools, which would have made his blacksmith's shop a focal point of community life.  Not to mention a warm and inviting place to hang around in on a cold winter's day!  So John Bates would have kept his finger on the pulse of village life and no doubt had plenty of gossip to relate to his wife Elizabeth at the end of most working days.  Undoubtedly John Bates III would have seen himself as a cut above the ordinary agricultural labourer as he had a valuable trade and enjoyed a standard of living commensurate with the importance of his role in village society.  But also, like the farm labourer, he would have worked long, hard hours and enjoyed relatively few holidays.  The farming day started early, as early as 5.00am, so John would have been lighting the fire in his forge at about the same time and working until well past night fall in the winter, and as long as the fields were being worked in the summer.  Like the iron-workers of the Industrial Revolution, he would have acquired a lively thirst by the end of the day, and the Green Man, or The Cock, The Bull, The Carpenter's Arms, The Red Lion or Simpson's Cottages would all have regarded John Bates III as one of their better customers!


Just before his death - John was buried on 3 May 1794 - he wrote his Last Will and Testament.  It is dated 7 March 1794.  John signed it and it was witnessed and signed by William Olney and his son James Olney.  In it he left all his property in Offley to his eldest son John (John Bates IV) and his other property in Pogsdon in the parish of Thillington and elsewhere to Thomas, his middle son.  Thomas was, however, his youngest surviving son as James, his youngest son, was already dead.  To John he also gave £100, to his son John (John Bates V) he gave £20; to Thomas' daughter Hannah he gave £20; to John, son of Thomas, £10 and to the other children of his son, Thomas, he gave £5.  All the legacies were to be received upon the age of majority (21) or in the case of the granddaughters when they married if that was earlier.  To his sons John and Thomas he bequeathed all his other worldly effects - money, goods, furniture and personal estate.


So John Bates III did not leave a fortune to his heirs and descendants when he died, rather it might be said that he was comfortably off at his death, a state of affairs which reflected the "middling" position amongst the lower middle classes which he undoubtedly would have laid claim to have achieved during his life-time.


John Bates wife, Elizabeth Pestell came from a well respected Bedfordshire family. Her ancestral line can today be traced back 5 generations to that of her 3X great grandfather, Richard Pestell who was born in 1570.  She received £200 under her father’s will.



4.         i.   JOHN4 BATES IV, b. 1748 and d. 1814 in Offley, Herts, England;

5.        ii.   THOMAS BATES, b. 1750 and d. 30 Dec 1823 in Offley, Herts, England.

          iii.   JAMES BATES, b. 1752 and baptised 26 Nov 1752; d. 1775 and buried 17 Aug 1775 in Offley, Herts, England.

James was a ploughman by trade, according to the Militia Muster Rolls for Offley.




Generation No. 4 



For the two centuries or so that the Bates family were prominent members of the Offley community, no one member of the family rose to such eminence as Thomas 'The Churchwarden' Bates.


During the life-time of Thomas Bates (1750-1823) the village of Offley saw the establishment of both a formal day and Sunday School. This originated from the death, in 1804, of the Lady of the Manor, Dame Sarah Salusbury, who left, in codicils to her will dated 1795 and 1797 (according to Baines, p.92), two amounts of £500 at the disposal of the vicar, Rev. Lynch Salusbury.  He decided to establish the aforementioned schools that continued until his death in 1837.


The village during this time was affected by various social and economic trends which many parts of Britain experienced, for example, the enclosure movement.


The first act of enclosure for Offley was as early as 1767.  "An Act for inclosing the common fields, the commonable lands and grounds, in the Parish of Lilley and Offley, in the County of Hertford, except a certain sheepdown called Lilley Hoo, in the said parish of Lilley, and certain lands, part of the common fields, lying south east of West Lane End, the Mill House and Cole's Cross, North End of the town of Offley." (Baines p.113)  Thomas Bates appears to have been one such man who was able to take advantage of land changes caused by enclosures whereas his brother James, although unable, because of his early death, to show us what he was really made of, was an agricultural labourer of the kind who lost out as a result of the Enclosure Movement.


Further Acts of enclosure were enacted for Offley in 1801 and 1807 and as a consequence of agricultural depression caused by the Napoleonic wars - as well as in subsequent years - a workhouse was established at this time in Offley by Rev. Lynch Burroughs.  He was also responsible for having new cottages erected for the poorer folk of the parish.  Strawplaiting in Offley experienced its heyday in the early 1800's, supplying plaits for the hat making industry of Luton.  It was unlikely that Thomas' wife Sarah, had any time to engage in strawplaiting as she brought up her 13 children although other female members of the Bates family would surely have been engaged in outworking to supplement the family's income.


The economic and social fabric of the village appears not to have been too seriously affected by periodic bouts of depression and economic hardships.  Indeed in 1810 another 1/2 acre of land was consecrated and added on to the churchyard, making an acre in all which indicates that the village of Offley was expanding in terms of population.  Baines (p.18) also records another significant development as far as the parish church was concerned, an event in which Thomas Bates would have been intimately involved - perhaps even a prime mover.  "In 1814 it was decided that the old stone tower and steeple were in a dangerous condition and had to be pulled down, the churchwardens receiving £10 from the surveyor of roads for the 200 loads of stone from the demolition.  The churchwardens borrowed £1,000 at 5% per annum interest from Thomas Kidman, a farmer probably of Offley Grange (The Bates' and Kidmans were later to be united in a marriage) and levied a rate of 1/- in the £ on the parish to pay for it.  It did not take long to build as it is recorded that early in 1815 the bells were rung for the first time in the new tower."  At the same time a new lead roof was installed, and as we have already seen, Thomas' "stamp" was firmly imprinted on a section of this.  It was only in 1957 that this lead roof was replaced, and Thomas' involvement revealed.  In general, however, changes must have been painfully slow to take place and the Offley familiar to Thomas Bates and other members of the 8th generation of the Bates family would have been almost identical in character (apart perhaps from the new road) to that which previous generations would have grown up in.



4.  JOHN4 BATES IV (son of JOHN3 [3]) was born 1748, baptised 12 Jun 1748 and died 1814 in Offley, Herts, England.  He married (1) MARY WELCH 16 Dec 1773 in Offley, daughter of GEORGE WELCH and SARAH.  She was born c. 1755 and baptised 05 Mar 1755 in Hitchin, Herts, England. She died in 1800.  Mary was the sister of Sarah Welch (who married John's brother Thomas). He married (2) JANE TURNER 1800 in Offley.  She was born 1748, and died 05 Jun 1834 in Offley.


John Bates married Mary on 16th December 1773 so that year must have been a good year of celebration for the Bates and Welch families.  John and Mary were married for 26 years before Mary died in 1800, aged 45.  John, a blacksmith by trade and a local Offley resident, remarried some six months after the death of his first wife. 


John, when he died, left property in several parishes to both his second wife, Jane, and his only son by his first marriage which were worth approximately £600.  Jane was to receive an annual annuity for the rest of her life of £30 a year, and John received the rest of his father's estate which included "ready money, farming stock and crop, instruments of husbandry, cattle, good, chattels and personal estate and effects.  Jane received all the household effects, and her husband's stock in trade including the blacksmith's shop.


Jane Forster, a widow, nee Turner, was born in 1748 (the same year as John) and died in 1834 aged 86.  She therefore lived a further 20 years after the death of John Bates who died in 1814 aged 65.  Jane's headstone, in Offley churchyard, is a rather elaborate one and the inscription reads: "Sacred to the memory of Jane, wife of Samuel Forster, afterwards of John Bates, late of this Parish.  She departed this life 5th June 1834 in the 86th Year of her Age".


Child of JOHN BATES and MARY WELCH is:

6.         i.   JOHN5 BATES V, b. 1775, Offley, Herts, England; d. 19 May 1843, Flamstead, Herts, England.



5.  THOMAS4 BATES (son of JOHN3 [3]) was born 1750, baptised 23 Dec 1750, died 30 Dec 1823 and was buried 05 Jan 1824 in Offley, Herts, England. His Will was made 28 Dec 1823.   He married SARAH WELCH 15 Apr 1773 in Offley, Herts, England, daughter of GEORGE WELCH and SARAH.  She was born 1750 in Offley, baptised 15 Feb 1747/48, St. Mary’s, Hitchin, Herts and died 24 Dec 1819 in Offley, Herts, England. Her sister, Mary, married Thomas' elder brother, John.


Thomas 'The Churchwarden' Bates was born in 1750 and was the second of three sons born to John Bates III and his wife Elizabeth.  His elder brother, John (John Bates IV) was born in 1748 and the youngest of the three offspring, James was born in 1752.  All three boys were baptised at Offley and all were destined to live, and be buried, in the same village.  James died in 1775 aged 22, John in 1814 aged 65 and Thomas passed on in 1823, aged 73.


Thomas, as we have seen, was reasonably well provided for when his father died in 1794.  However, by this time Thomas was well into middle-age himself and had already made his own way in life.


In 1773 he had taken Sarah Welsh as his bride, the couple being married on 15 April 1773 by licence. The ceremony took place at Offley Parish Church and the evidence of the marriage entry wherein they both signed their names quite elegantly and legibly indicates they could both write and had therefore benefited from some education. In all probability they had both been taught the rudiments of reading and writing as well as "the principles of religion as by law established" by the vicar who had, in 1724 started to be paid an annual stipend of £20 to teach the poor children of the parish.  The two witnesses at their wedding were Samuel Forster and John Bates. The latter was almost certainly Thomas' elder brother, the former the husband of Jane Forster. After the death of Samuel Forster, his widow married John, becoming his second wife.


There might well have been some uneasy haste over the wedding arrangements as Sarah Welsh was already carrying their first child - a son, George, named after her father - when the wedding took place.  As both Thomas and Sarah came from well-established Offley families few eyebrows would have been raised.  In any case anticipating the marriage in this way was far less scandalous in the Eighteenth Century than in Victorian times when prudishness and propriety, to say nothing of hypocrisy came to achieve something of an art-form.  Even if the marriage had something of a 'shot-gun' character at the beginning, it was to prove a happy, successful and enduring one.  Sarah bore Thomas no fewer than 13 children.


Thomas became a successful and prosperous tenant farmer.  In his Will he described himself as a yeoman.  In 1807 he was a tenant farmer at Westbury Farm, close to the centre of the village and one of the largest of the "2nd division" farms in Offley.  In 1085 it comprised of land which extended to almost 1000 acres, but by the time Thomas Bates had become its tenant, it was undoubtedly somewhat smaller and had become part of Offley Place estate.  In 1815 it is documented that Thomas was paying rates, and presumably Thomas lived on at Westbury Farm until his death in 1823, as his son, Thomas Welch Bates appears to have continued the tenancy. 


In 1827 there occurred a burglary at the house of Thomas Bates, a farmer of Offley living at Westbury Farm that resulted in the apprehension of Joseph Sinfield and William Worsley both of whom were

sentenced to death on 25 July 1827 at Hertford  Assizes.


In 1807 Thomas Bates was involved in a major change in the system of road transportation in Offley. The Luton-Hitchin 'highway' was re-located in that year, a move that took the new road past Thomas Bates' farmhouse at Westbury Farm.  The relocation was the brainchild of Lynch Burroughs, then the master of Offley Place who found the traffic, hitherto hard by Offley Place, disturbing both to him, his household and his pheasants.  Lynch Burroughs was able to take advantage of an Act of Enclosure that related to Offley (passed in 1806) to effect the new siting of the Hitchin-Luton road.  One would expect Thomas Bates to have not been best pleased by this development but he would have had little hope of upsetting the plans of Lynch Burroughs.  As D. Baines told me in a private letter, "...the steeper gradients of the new alignment was just tough luck on the traveller.  I rather doubt whether Churchwarden Bates was very amused at the realignment as the road was now to pass immediately next to his farmhouse, though he probably had little to say in the matter, being a tenant".  The new road is recorded in the Hertford Quarter Session Books of 11th and 13th January 1808, Vol.18.  The entry reads as follows:


"The diversion of a road at Offley was confirmed.  The award was made by certain justices at a special session held at Offley in consequence of an order made by John Maughan and Thomas Thorpe, "the Commissioners appointed by and for the execution of an Act of Parliament passed in the forty-seventh year of His present Majesty's Reign intituled An Act for inclosing lands in the Parish of Offley..... and for exonerating the land in the said parish from Tithes".  The road in question ran from Offley to Luton, Co. Bedford, through Coles Cross and Putteridge Green, it ran along the north side of the park pales and the garden wall of the park belonging to the Rev. Lynch Burroughs, and crossed the road from Offley to Little Offley and Wellbury at the guide post on the south-east corner of Dell Pasture.  When the road was diverted it would cross the road between the house of Richard Olney and the farmhouse occupied by Thomas Bates.”


So we can imagine Thomas having a full and busy life, responsible for working a large farm and bringing up and providing for a very large family.  Additionally he was involved for much of his adult life with administrative duties within the parish as well as with his own devotions.  He was obviously a success at both, and in his will, dated 28th December 1823 he was able to leave varying sums of money totalling over £4,600 to 10 of his children and an unspecified amount to the other 2 children who had been settled upon earlier.  Clearly, with stock and other farm equipment as well as household effects and other property, Thomas was a man who had become very prosperous during his life-time and able to set up his family very handsomely on his death.


Material possessions or worldly success do not appear to have altogether occupied the attention of Thomas Bates.  He was a long-time churchwarden at Offley and was considered to be one of the most influential men of the district of his day.  Evidence exists in Offley Church of Thomas Bates' importance.  Originally hanging over the North door, then over the West door, (at present it hangs in the bell tower while repairs and renovations take place) is a magnificent painting of the Coats of Arms of George III.  Inscribed on the painting are the words, "Thomas Bates, Churchwarden, 1800".  On the back of the painting, faintly inscribed, are the words "John Elster - Hitchin, Painters".  Also inscribed are the words "Isaac Newton - 1800".  Thomas Bates celebrated his 50th Birthday in 1800 and it seems likely that the painting was commissioned to honour this event.


His importance is further reflected by the fact that in 1803 Thomas paid for the sixth and final church bell that was erected in the church tower at Offley in that year.  It is a 6 hundredweight bell with a diameter of 44.5 inches and inscribed on the inside of the bell are the words, "Thomas Bates, warden".  In 1814 the present tower was built and Thomas Bates, as Churchwarden, must have been closely involved in its construction.  Indeed, on the tower roof was placed a rectangular piece of lead with the words inscribed, "Thomas Bates, Churchwarden, 13 October 1814.  When the lead roof of 1814 was replaced by a copper roof in 1957, this piece of lead was removed and placed on the church floor at the back of the church.  Also inscribed are the words: "R. and I. Newton, Plumbers".  This referred to a local firm of tradesmen.


The position of the churchwarden at this time was a powerful and important one in local rural life.  The Churchwarden's accounts for the Parish Council tell us something of the work that the two Churchwardens did in the early Nineteenth Century.  For example, in 1810, on 23 May, Thomas Bates was paid 4 shillings for removing a man bit with a dog to Stopsley. In 1810 he received several payments for killing polecats and sparrows - they were a particular nuisance to farmers at harvest time - and in 1821 he was paid 3 shillings for killing 6 dozen sparrows.  In 1834 the then Churchwarden, Thomas having died 11 years earlier, paid 2/6d to Mary Bates for washing the interior of the church.  The churchwardens also had responsibility for levying parish rates to pay, for example, for the upkeep of parish roads and the welfare of the poor of the parish.


Thomas Bates was buried in Offley churchyard on 5 January 1824.  He had died seven days earlier on 30 December 1823 and on his gravestone there is a simple inscription which reads: "Thomas Bates.  Died 30th December 1823 aged 73 years".  He joined his wife, Sarah, who died on 24th December 1819 aged 69 years.  She too, had a simple inscription on her headstone which reads: "Sarah Bates, wife of Thomas Bates, died 24th December 1819, aged 69".


Thomas' Will was dated 28 December 1823.  His son John and a friend, Edward Clisby of Hitchin, were appointed Joint Executors.  Providing John was able to, and his landlord, Rev. Lynch Burroughs was in agreement, Thomas wished that John should replace him as tenant of Westbury Farm.  Clearly Thomas believed that there was some uncertainty as to whether John either wanted to, or was able to succeed him at Westbury Farm (on the grounds, presumably, that he was unable to purchase the stock), for he went on to declare that should John not take the farm the stock was to be disposed of in the usual course.


However, on the assumption that John would take over the running of the farm, Thomas sought to protect the interests of four of his youngest children, namely Abel, Mary Elizabeth, Rebecca and Lydia.  He declared that the aforementioned should continue to be employed on the farm and supported there, each receiving 3 guineas quarterly, and £500 upon the sale of Thomas' stock.


Reference was then made to the provision Thomas had already made for his sons George, James, Thomas and the aforementioned John, as well as Sarah and "several of my other children", details of which are tantalisingly omitted.  He then went on to state that Joseph was to receive £200, Benjamin £100, Hannah (married to Samuel Lane) £200 ("to be paid retrospectively as soon as money can be got in for that purpose"), George an additional £400, James an additional £1,400 and John an additional £300.


Anything left over after Thomas' debts and funeral expenses were sorted out was to be equally divided between his 12 children.


Children of THOMAS BATES and SARAH WELCH are:

7.         i.   GEORGE5 BATES, b. Nov 1773, Offley, Herts, England; d. Aft. Mar 1838.

8.        ii.   THOMAS WELCH BATES, b. 1775, Offley, Herts, England; d. 01 Dec 1846, Hitchin, Herts, England.

9.       iii.   JAMES BATES, b. 1776, Offley, Herts, England.

          iv.   BENJAMIN BATES, b. 1777 and baptised 12 Nov 1777; d. Dec 1780 and buried 27 Dec 1780 in Offley, Herts, England.

Benjamin died in infancy; having been baptised at Offley on 12 November 1777 he was taken back to the churchyard there to be buried just three short years later.  A sad Christmas indeed for Thomas and Sarah, and their three young, surviving children.

10.      v.   HANNAH BATES, b. 1779 and d. 05 Nov 1848 in Offley, Herts, England.

11.      vi.   SARAH BATES, b. 1780, Offley, Herts, England.

         vii.   MARY ELIZABETH BATES, b. 1781, baptised 28 Oct 1781 and d. 1851 in Offley, Herts, England.

Mary Bates grew up and remained a spinster.  In 1823 she was working and living at Westbury Farm at the time of her father's death.  He provided her, in his will, with an income of 12 guineas a year and a bequest of £500.  She later moved out of Westbury Farm and took over the tenancy of the "Old Green Man Public House", which she ran as landlady until her death.  In 1839 she also occupied a field adjacent to the pub that was part of Offley Park.

         viii.   REBECCA BATES, b. 1783, baptised 16 Feb 1783, d. 1861 and buried in Offley, Herts, England.

In 1823, like her sister Mary Elizabeth, Rebecca Bates was living and working at Westbury Farm.  She, too, received 12 guineas a year allowance and the sum of £500 under the terms of her father's will.  She eventually set up home with her sister Lydia in Offley and was recorded in the Offley census of 1851 as the head of the household - 1851 Census, seamstress

12.     ix.   JOHN BATES, b. 1785 and d. 14 Mar 1869 in Offley, Herts, England.

          x.   LYDIA BATES, b. 1786, baptised Dec 1786 and  d. May 1867 in Offley, Herts, England.

A spinster, like her aforementioned sisters, Lydia Bates was provided with an annual income of 12 guineas and left £500 by her father.  In 1851 she is recorded as living with Rebecca and was a seamstress by trade.

13.     xi.   JOSEPH BATES, b. 1787 and d. 24 Jun 1837 in Offley, Herts, England.

14.    xii.   BENJAMIN BATES, b. 1789, Offley, Herts, England.

15.    xiii.   ABEL BATES, b. 1790, Offley, Herts, England.




Generation No. 5 



The fifth generation of the Bates family continued to live predominantly in and around Offley.  Between the birth of the first-born of the fifth generation (namely, George Bates, born 1773) and the death of the last known member of the generation (John Bates, died 1869), almost 100 years elapsed.  Although startling changes and momentous events filled the pages of national and international history of these 100 years, life for the fifth generation of Offley Bates's would not have been radically or perhaps even slightly different from that of previous generations.  We shall seek to identify some of those changes that affected the village, and rural life, but first, we shall examine who comprised this generation of the Bates family.


The fifth generation of the Bates family further consisted of John Bates, the first cousin of George Bates, eldest son of Thomas 'the churchwarden' Bates.  John Bates was the son of John Bates IV and in order to help identification he will be known as John Bates V.  The wedding of John Bates V and Elizabeth Olney took place a couple of months before John's Grandfather (John Bates III) died.  All three families, the Lanes, the Olneys and the Bates' were prominent members of the local community.  In the space of the 22 years, John and Elizabeth Bates produced 12 children. 


At this point it would seem appropriate to inform readers of what Flamstead, this "other" home of the Bates family in Hertfordshire was like.  Flamstead was, and still is, a widely scattered community, the village of Flamstead lying at the heart of the parish.  The village is situated on high ground that slopes down to the valley of the River Ver which runs along Watling Street.  Flamstead means a place of refuge, a reminder of the days when wooded acres along Watling Street were infested with robbers and "wild men".  The Hertfordshire countryside has long been best known for its farming and the growing of wheat, oats and barley.  These are the crops that the farmers of Flamstead have grown since medieval times, as well as keeping cattle, pigs and sheep.


The village's focal point is the church of St. Leonards that dates from the 14th Century.  The original building, though, was begun as early as the 12th Century and the tower dates from 1120.  The building was dedicated in 1223.  A Saxon chapel once stood on the site that indicates the existence of a community at Flamstead well before the Norman Conquest.


The village was never a wealthy one and as in Offley, women traditionally supplemented the family's income by straw plaiting and straw hat making.  This work was important in the 19th Century and the early years of the present century.  Old cottages surrounded the church and these included the well-known Saunders almshouses built in 1609 by Thomas Saunders of Beechwood.


Since 1618 the village has had strong links with University College, Oxford, which owns an estate and other property in the parish.  The college has, since 1971, built a village hall for use as a general amenity for the village.


In 1871 the population of Flamstead was 2,005.  By 1931 it had shrunk to 893 but by 1971 it had risen again to 1,516.


In 1905 Flamstead parish covered an area of 5,491 of which 3,561 were arable, 1,151 acres permanent grass and 406 acres woodland.


Flamstead village itself forms three sides of a square around the church, the Saunders almshouses on the northern side.  The fourth side is open toward the south.


Earlier it was stated that John Bates V had moved, at some time between 1817 and 1839 away from Offley to Flamstead.  Evidently there was an interim move because a document which relates to a sale (lease) of property by John Bates V and his son John VI to Mr William Olney dated 1829 states that in that year John Bates (1775) (V) was a resident of the parish of Higham Gobion in the County of Bedford.  The document concerned was an agreement between John Bates (1775) and John Bates (1795) to sell 3 cottages and adjoining land and property to William Olney.  William Olney was a butcher and was a member of the family that John Bates (1775) had married into in 1794.  William was probably John's (1775) father-in-law.  The property was sold for £155.


The fifth generation of the Bates family, whether living in Offley or Flamstead, would have begun to experience some of the innovations and changes that occurred as a result of the developing agricultural revolution, itself a forerunner to even greater changes in English society, namely the Industrial Revolution.  New techniques of planting seed, rotating crops, new fodder crops leading to better livestock management, the enclosure movement and the general increase in the intensity of farming would all have affected those fifth generation Bates' involved directly in agriculture.  The women-folk continued to run their homes, bring up children and either become a wage-earner in their own right or work to supplement their husband's income.  Their work consisted of farm-work, strawplaiting, dressmaking, general cleaning etc.


The fifth generation also experienced other great social changes like the improvements in transport that was taking place across the whole country.  This undoubtedly led to a marked decrease in the sense of isolation felt by rural communities.  Period agricultural depressions, however, caused by war, pestilence, poor harvests or political considerations like the Corn Laws (repealed in 1815) would have, from time to time, struck fear if not terror into the hearts of rural folk.  Life must have been something of an unending struggle, difficult in good times, downright impossible in hard times.  Notwithstanding these "local difficulties" the well documented evidence points to a relative prosperity enjoyed by the Bates' in terms of finance, longevity and successful procreation.  All this would seem to suggest that the fifth generation of the Bates family was generally successful and had become a well-established middling sort of Home Counties farming family.


The social distress of the times was undoubtedly reflected in the extent of criminal activity recorded by the authorities as it affected Offley.  Baines (p.121-122) records several examples of transportation overseas ranging from 7 years to life sentences for offences ranging from stealing rabbits to rioting.  Other crimes punished by transportation, usually to Australia, included stealing farm tools and implements, personal belongings eg. boots or livestock.  Interestingly, Baines records the following incident: "....Fortunate was Ellen Bygrave in 1845 to be acquitted of receiving stolen goods from her sister Mary Ann Bygrave.  Mary Ann was convicted of stealing a thimble, a pair of gloves, a yard of linen and other articles of property of Miss Eliza Bates and her sisters at Lilley Hoo Farm for which she was sentenced to a 12 month gaol sentence, but was acquitted of setting fire to the house of John Bates of Lilley".  This reference to Miss Eliza Bates is likely to describe the daughter of John Bates V who in 1841 was living and farming at Flamstead.  After his death his daughters, Eliza, Mary and Matilda, unable to continue living a Hill Farm, Flamstead, returned to the Offley area where they set up home with their brother, John (John Bates VI) at neighbouring Lilley.  It would appear that there was a degree of animosity between the Bygrave girls and the Bates family!


Other crimes punished by transportation included arson.


We have seen earlier that Thomas and Sarah Bates were blessed with 13 children. These formed the nucleus of the fifth generation. 



6.  JOHN5 BATES V  (son of JOHN4 [4]) was born 1775 and baptised 05 Mar 1775 in Offley, Herts, England, and died 19 May 1843 in Flamstead, Herts, England.  He was buried May 1843 in St Mary's Parish Churchyard, Luton. His Will was dated 09 Apr 1843.  He married ELIZABETH OLNEY 13 Feb 1794 in Offley, Herts, England, daughter of WILLIAM OLNEY.  She was born 1775 and died 1839 in Offley, Herts, England.


At some point between the birth of their youngest child, Matilda (1817) and Elizabeth's death in 1839 the family moved to nearby Flamstead, and farmed Hill Farm.  In 1841, 2 years after the death of his wife, John is recorded by the census of that year as living at Hill Farm, Flamstead, with four of his children.  In addition to John and his four children, the farm also employed 3 servants and 2 agricultural labourers.  Clearly, this was quite a large farm.


The will is dated 9 April 1843.  His sons John, William and Edmund were to share all their father's freehold and copyhold estate and were appointed Executors.  All the rest of his estate and personal effects were to be sold and equally divided up between his 12 children. 



16.       i.   JOHN6 BATES VI, b. 1795, Flamstead, Herts, England; d. c. 1863, Limbury-cum-Biscot, Luton, Beds, England.

           ii.   MARY BATES, b. 1799, Flamstead, Herts, England; d. 09 Feb 1844. Burial: Feb 1844, St Mary's Parish Churchyard, Luton

17.     iii.   WILLIAM BATES, b. 1799, Flamstead, Herts, England; d. 1865.

          iv.   ELIZABETH BATES, b. 1801, Flamstead, Herts, England; d. died young ?.

18.      v.   EDMUND BATES, b. 1804, Flamstead, Herts, England; d. 12 Jul 1848.

19.      vi.   HANNAH BATES, b. 1806, Flamstead, Herts, England.

         vii.   JAMES BATES, b. 1808, Flamstead, Herts, England; d. 1808.

20.    viii.   JAMES BATES, b. 1809, Flamstead, Herts, England; d. 23 Dec 1853.

21.     ix.   SARAH BATES, b. 1811, Flamstead, Herts, England.

22.      x.   GEORGE BATES, b. 1813, Flamstead, Herts, England; d. 1855.

              xi.   ELIZABETH BATES, b. 1814, Flamstead, Herts, England; d. Bef. 1843; m. WILLIAM BLOTT of Barton, Herts, England

         xii.   MATILDA BATES, b. 1817, Flamstead, Herts, England.

The census of 1851 reveals that Matilda Bates was living at a farm in nearby Lilley.  She had moved less far away than her brother Edmund from their place of birth. Matilda was unmarried and was farming 140 acres and employing 5 labourers.

23.    xiii.   ANN BATES, b. 1821, Offley, Herts, England; d. 31 Jan 1889, Dunstable, Beds, England.



7.  GEORGE5 BATES (son of THOMAS4 [5]) was born Nov 1773 and baptised 28 Nov 1773 in Offley, Herts, England, and died Aft. Mar 1838.  He married JANE POPE (née HAYDON) 03 Jun 1800 in Flamstead, Herts, England.  She was born 1772 in Holywell cum Needingworth, Hunts, England.


George Bates was the first child of Thomas and Sarah Bates and was baptised at Offley on 28 November 1773, 7½ months after his parents were married.  George was destined to be part of a large family, and clearly grew up in a farming environment.


At some point as a young man he moved to Flamstead, a village about 8 miles from Offley, from where, in 1800, he married.  The marriage licence application for Hertfordshire - normally people married by banns rather than by licence in those days - reveal that George applied for a marriage licence in the first half of 1800 and that he lived in Flamstead. 


He married a widow, Jane Pope, of Luton, at St Leonard's Church, Flamstead.  The two witnesses were Samuel Haydon and Sarah Bates.  Sarah was George's sister and lived at Offley. A year later she and Samuel Haydon were themselves married.  Jane's sister, Mary, also married from Flamstead and was therefore living near the Bates', or possibly even with them, acting as a help with the children.  On April 29th 1811 she married Benjamin Somers and George, her brother-in-law, was a witness, as was Samuel Haydon.


In 1823, on the death of his father, George received from his father's estate, the sum of £400 that was additional to a sum previously bestowed on him.  He, like his father before him, was clearly a successful farmer and family man and he was still alive in 1838 when his second son and 4th child, Thomas, married for a second time.  The date of his death and whereabouts of his burial, as well as that of his wife, Jane, are unknown.


Children of GEORGE BATES and JANE HAYDON are:

           i.   GEORGE6 BATES, b. 1801 and baptised 07 Jun 1801 in Flamstead, Herts, England.

           ii.   JANE BATES, b. 1802 and baptised 21 Nov 1802 in Flamstead, Herts, England.

          iii.   SARAH BATES, b. 1804 and baptised 30 Mar 1804 in Flamstead, Herts, England.

24.      iv.   THOMAS BATES, b. 1806, Flamstead, Herts, England.

           v.   SAMUEL BATES, b. 1808 and baptised 25 Dec 1808 in Flamstead, Herts, England.

          vi.   HANNAH BATES, b. 1810 and baptised 25 Nov 1810 in Flamstead, Herts, England.

         vii.   JAMES BATES, b. 1814 and baptised 31 Jul 1814 in Flamstead, Herts, England.

         viii.   ANN BATES, b. 1817 and baptised 13 Apr 1817 in Flamstead, Herts, England.



8.  THOMAS WELCH5 BATES  (son of THOMAS4 [5]) was born 1775 and baptised 29 Jan 1775 in Offley, Herts, England, and died 01 Dec 1846 in Hitchin, Herts, England.  He married SARAH FOLBIGG DEACON 26 Oct 1797 in Offley, daughter of WILLIAM DEACON.  She was born 1777, died May 1799 and was buried 18 May 1799 in Offley, Herts, England.


The witnesses at their marriage were Lydia Folbigg Deacon and James and Sarah Bates who were respectively the sister of the bride and brother and sister of the groom. 


Sadly, Sarah died giving birth to her daughter, Sarah, and she was buried at Offley the day before her daughter was baptised on 18 May 1799. She was just 22. So Thomas was left, aged 24, a widower, with two young children to bring up on his own.


On 5 May 1801 Thomas was a witness, along with his sister, Hannah, at the wedding on their mutual sister Sarah's wedding to Samuel Haydon at Offley.  There is no further evidence of what became of Thomas - whether he remarried or not - until records reveal that in 1827 he was living and farming at Westbury Farm, the tenant farm his father had worked for many years.  Thomas (1750). will had suggested that Thomas' (1775). younger brother, John (1785), should have taken over Westbury Farm, but in 1827 the Hertford Assize records reveal that "on 25 July 1827 at the Hertford Assizes Joseph Sinfield and William Worsley were sentenced to death for burglary of the house of Thomas Bates, a farmer of Offley living at Westbury Farm".


No further information, apart from that indicated below, has come to light about Thomas, or his two children, William and Sarah.


Children of THOMAS BATES and SARAH DEACON are:

25.       i.   WILLIAM6 BATES, b. 1797, Offley, Herts, England; d. 1845.

               ii.   SARAH BATES, b. May 1799 and baptised 19 May 1799 in Offley, Herts, England; m. THOMAS DANIEL of Evershall, Beds, England 19 May 1823, Offley, Herts, England



9.  JAMES5 BATES (son of THOMAS4 [5]) was born 1776 and baptised 03 Mar 1776 in Offley, Herts, England.  He married MARY HAYDON 1800 in Luton, Beds, England. 


In 1823 James Bates was left by far the largest sum of all in his father, Thomas's will - the princely sum of £1,400.  Mary Haydon was almost certainly related to Jane Bates (nee Haydon), the wife of James's elder brother George. 



                i.   JAMES6 BATES, b. 1801 and baptised 03 Mar 1776 in Flamstead, Herts, England.



10.  HANNAH5 BATES (dau. of THOMAS4 [5]) was born 1779 and baptised 24 Jan 1779; died 05 Nov 1848 and buried 05 Nov 1848 in Offley, Herts, England.  She married SAMUEL LANE 25 Oct 1804 in Offley, Herts, England.  He was born 1769, died 08 Feb 1826 and was buried in Offley, Herts, England.


Samuel Lane was a carpenter and for many years did a great deal of work for the church.  In 1816 he paid four shillings rates for his carpenter's shop that was rated at £4.


Samuel’s will provided that his wife should receive his house, carpenter's shop and two cottages adjoining and she was charged to keep them in good repair and insured against fire damage.  After her death the properties were to go to his son Samuel and £10 apiece to his three daughters, Martha, the wife of James Davies, Sarah Lane and Harriet Lane, the wife of Francis Foster who she married in 1849.  After his own death Martha was to receive a legacy of £150 and his son Samuel £100 plus his stock in trade, tools, watch and wearing apparel.  The Will states that Samuel had £1,000 invested at the time of his death and his estate was worth £941 after allowing for non-recoverable debts. Hannah and Samuel had produced a second son, Richard who was born in 1816. As no mention was made of him in Samuel’s will it must be assumed he had died before reaching maturity.

Children of HANNAH BATES and SAMUEL LANE are:

                i.   SAMUEL6 LANE, b. 1805 and baptised 15 Sep 1805 in Offley, Herts, England; d. Died young.

               ii.   SAMUEL LANE, b. 1806 and baptised 15 Feb 1806; d. 06 Mar 1886 in Offley, Herts, England. He was a carpenter, flour dealer and baker.

               iii.   MARTHA LANE, b. c. 1808, Offley, Herts, England; m. JAMES DAVIS.

               iv.   RICHARD LANE, b. 1809, Offley, Herts, England; d. died young.

26.      v.   SARAH LANE, b. 1811, Offley, Herts, England.

               vi.   HARRIET LANE, b. c. 1814 and baptised 13 Feb 1814 Offley, Herts, England; m. FRANCIS FOSTER, 1849, Offley, Herts, England; b. 1823.

              vii.   RICHARD LANE, b. 1816 and baptised in Offley, Herts, England; d. died young ?.



11.  SARAH5 BATES (dau. of THOMAS4 [5]) was born 1780 and baptised 09 Jul 1780 in Offley, Herts, England.  She married SAMUEL HAYDON 05 May 1801 in Offley.  He was born in Luton, Beds, England.


Samuel Haydon came from Luton and was known to the Pope family, of whom Jane married George, Sarah's eldest brother.  Samuel had been a witness in 1800 of George's marriage with Jane Pope at Flamstead, and he was also a witness, along with his brother-in-law George at the wedding of Jane's sister Mary to Benjamin Somers at Flamstead on April 29th 1811.

Children of SARAH BATES and SAMUEL HAYDON are:

27.     i.   SAMUEL6 HAYDON, b. c. 1803.

               ii.   JANE HAYDON, b. c. 1805 and baptised 16 Jan 1805 in Luton, Beds, England.

               iii.   ELIZA HAYDON, b. c. 1806.

               iv.   SARAH HAYDON, b. c. 1807, Luton, Beds, m. GEORGE WILKIE, 07 Feb 1842, St. Mary’s, Luton.

                v.   THOMAS HAYDON, b. c. 1809.

               vi.   MARY HAYDON, b. 1810 and baptised 26 Sep 1810 Luton, Beds, England.

              vii.   GEORGE HAYDON, b. c. 1812.

             viii.   EMMA HAYDON, b. 1814 and baptised 18 May 1814 in Luton

              ix.   MATILDA HAYDON, b. 1815 and baptised 08 Sep 1815 in Luton, Beds, England.

               x.   JAMES HAYDON, b. 1816 and baptised 18 Dec 1816 in Luton, Beds, England.

              xi.   CHARLES HAYDON, b. 1818 and baptised 18 Apr 1818 in  Luton, Beds, England.

              xii.   JOHN HAYDON, b. 1819 and baptised 10 Nov 1819 in Luton, Beds, England.

28. xiii.   HANNAH HAYDON, b. 1820, Luton, Beds, England.

             xiv.   HENRY HAYDON, b. 1822 and baptised in Luton, Beds, England.



12.  JOHN5 BATES (son of THOMAS4 [5]) was born 1785 and baptised 03 Jul 1785; died 14 Mar 1869 and was buried in Offley, Herts, England.  He married HARRIET HEPWORTH 26 Nov 1821 in St Martins in the Fields, Middx, England.  She was born 1792 in St Martins, Middlesex, England, and died 23 Feb 1868 in Offley, Herts, England.


John Bates seemed set to inherit the tenancy of Westbury Farm on his father's death.  Certainly in Thomas' will, provision was made for this to happen......"if my son John Bates shall find himself able afterwards to hold and to pay for the stock of the farm and my landlord The Reverend Lynch Burroughs shall consent to accept him as tenant....." (extract from Thomas Bates' will, 1823).  John Bates was also appointed Joint Executor.  He must have been a favoured son, but we must guess that Lynch Burroughs objected to him assuming the tenancy for in 1827 we learn that Thomas Welch Bates was the tenant according to the records of the Hertford Assizes.  John, nevertheless, was clearly an enterprising and respected villager. 


In 1814 he was recorded as being the gamekeeper in the Manor of Hurst Hall alias Hallbury and Great Offley alias Westbury.  The Lord of the Manor was the Rev. Lynch Burroughs.  In 1823 he was left £300 in his father's will, in addition to the other provisions made for him.  In 1825 when his daughter, Harriet, was born he was recorded as a farmer and in 1827 church records show that he was a churchwarden when the church minister was Thelwell Salusbury. In 1841 he was recorded as victualler and in 1851, the census of that year recorded him as being an innkeeper/publican.  He was 65 years of age by this time.  It appears that John had taken over the running of the Old Green Man Inn from his sister Mary.  It would also appear that John Bates had had an earlier involvement with the tenancy of the Green Man Public House as the Poll Books for Hertfordshire for 1832 listed "John Bates - Offley 1832 - occupier of house and land residence 'Green Man' Public House".  Harriet Hepworth was recorded in the 1861 census as being deaf/blind and also recorded that they lived in the public house with an unmarried daughter, also called Harriet (a dressmaker) along with 3 lodgers (a shepherd, a farm labourer and a ploughman) and a servant aged 15.


The inscription on their plain headstone reads, "In memory of John Bates who died March 14th 1869 aged 83.  Also Harriet Bates, wife of above who died February 23rd 1868 aged 76 years.



                i.   MARY ANN6 BATES, b. Feb 1823 and baptised 02 Mar 1823 in Offley, Herts, England.

               ii.   HARRIET BATES, b. 1825, Offley, Herts, England; d. 1908, Hemel Hempstead, Herts, England.

Harriet became a dressmaker by trade and after the death of her parents she moved to Hemel Hempstead where she died aged 83.  She is buried at Offley, having remained a spinster all her life.

               iii.   LYDIA BATES, b. 1824, Offley, Herts, England.



13.  JOSEPH5 (son of THOMAS4 [5]) was born 1787 and baptised 23 Dec 1787; died 24 Jun 1837 and buried 24 Jun 1837 in Offley, Herts, England.  He married ANNA MARIA RAYMENT 30 Jul 1812 in Offley, Herts, England.  She was born 1792, died 1864 and was buried 02 May 1864 in Offley, Herts, England.


Children of JOSEPH BATES and ANNA RAYMENT are:

29.     i.   JOSEPH6 BATES, b. 1813, Offley, Herts, England; d. 1882, Lilley, Herts, England.

               ii.   SARAH BATES, b. 1818, baptised 28 Jun 1818 and d. 1836 in Lilley, Herts, England.

               iii.   REBEKAH BATES, b. 1819, Lilley, Herts, England; baptised 31 Mar 1820 Offley, Herts, England



14.  BENJAMIN5 BATES (son of THOMAS4 [5]) was born 1789 and baptised 24 May 1789 in Offley, Herts, England; died 02 Nov 1863 in Stevenage, Herts, England.  He married ELIZA CONISBY 18 May 1818 in Lilley. Herts, England.  She was born 1797 in Lilley, Herts, England.


In 1851 the census recoded Benjamin Bates as a Beer House Keeper and Carrier.



         i.   DRUSILLA6 BATES, b. 1818, Lilley, Herts, England.

        ii.   THOMAS BATES, b. 1822, Watton at Stone, Herts, England.

        iii.   JAMES BATES, b. 1823, Watton at Stone, Herts, England.

        iv.   HARRIET BATES, b. 1826, Watton at Stone, Herts, England.



15.  ABEL5 BATES (son of THOMAS4 [5]) was born 1790 and baptised 25 Jul 1790 in Offley, Herts, England.  He married MARY JEFFERYS 02 Dec 1824 in Stepney, London, England. 


Abel Bates grew up to work on his father's farm, and in 1823, according to his father's will he was left £500, plus 12 guineas a year, and Thomas decreed that Abel should be allowed to continue to work on the farm, should John take over the tenancy.  Nothing is heard of Abel after this date.  Is it possible that he and his brother, Benjamin, moved away, possibly emigrated, as there is no further record of either of them?


Children of ABEL BATES and MARY JEFFERYS are:

                i.   CATHERINE6 BATES, b. 1825 and baptised 05 Jun 1825 in Ickleford, Herts, England.

               ii.   LYDIA BATES, b. 1827 and baptised 25 Mar 1827 in Ippollitts, Herts, England ?.

               iii.   EDWIN BATES, b. 1833 and baptised in Biggleswade, Beds, England.





Generation No. 6 



Already we have seen that the Bates family had begun to fragment, one element staying in and around Offley and another settling in Flamstead.


There does seem to have been a great deal of 'to-and froing' within the family between these two parts of the county of Hertfordshire.  Without question, the most significant member of this generation, both in terms of what is known about him, and on the grounds that he is the author's direct descendant, was Thomas Bates, second son of George and Jane Bates of Flamstead.  During his lifetime, Thomas Bates was to embark on the most significant move away from Offley and district, to distant London, though it must be said that by the 1840's improved road transport and communications were rapidly shrinking the 50 or so miles that lay between Offley and London.  This move on the part of Thomas Bates was to herald the beginning of the gradual disappearance of the Bates family from the North Herts area.  By the end of the Nineteenth Century virtually all traces of our Bates family was gone from Offley, Flamstead and district.  Nonetheless the sixth generation of the Bates family provides us with plenty of evidence that at the beginning of the Nineteenth Century and for several more decades, the family remained a force to be reckoned with in the area.


There are some members of the sixth generation of the Bates family about whom only the barest details of a birth date is known.  On the other hand some interesting details emerge about others.  For example, James Bates, born in 1809, the eight child of John and Elizabeth Bates married Sophia and they had a total of nine children themselves, six of whom were twins.


The Kidman family was, like the Bates family, quite an influential farming family, along with the Olneys and there is evidence of frequent intermarriage between the three families.


John Bates V's will is another source of information about his children who were part of the family's sixth generation.  The will is dated 9 April 1843.  His sons John, William and Edmund were to share all their father's freehold and copyhold estate and were appointed Executors.  All the rest of his estate and personal effects were to be sold and equally divided up between his 12 children.  John had already received £1000 and this was to be deducted from his share.  William too, had received £500 and this was also to be deducted.  Elizabeth, who had married William Blott of Barton, had earlier died and her children were to receive her share, less £200 already given to Elizabeth.  Edmund had also earlier received £200 that was to be deducted from his share of the legacy.  The same applied to James. The will further reveals that Hannah had also married into the Blott family; her husband was probably a brother of her brother-in-law William, and was called James.


The census of 1851 reveals that Matilda Bates, born in 1817 and aged 33 at the time of the census, was living at a farm in nearby Lilley.  She had moved less far away than her brother Edmund from their place of birth; it is interesting to discover at this time what small horizons most people had when it came to setting up homes of their own.  There were all sorts of constraints on moving far away.  Matilda was unmarried and was farming 140 acres and employing 5 labourers.


However, as good fortune would have it, the member of the sixth generation of the Bates family of whom the most information has come to light is Thomas Bates who is the author's great, great grandfather.  Thomas was baptised on 29 June 1806 and his parents were George and Jane (nee Pope) Bates. 


Thomas Bates was born in the parish of Flamstead, Hertfordshire and baptised in the parish church of St. Leonards.  Flamstead, as we have seen, is situated about 9 miles distance, in a south-westerly direction, from the village of Offley.  His father, George, was born and baptised in Offley, while his mother, Jane, came from Luton.  It is reasonable to suppose that Flamstead was considered by Thomas' parents a convenient place to settle being roughly equi-distant from Offley and Luton.  George Bates named his first four children George, after himself, Jane after his wife, Sarah after his mother and Thomas after his father.  The next son, Samuel, was probably named after Jane's father Samuel Haydon.  (The Samuel Haydon who was a witness at her wedding to George was in all probability her brother.)  Jane was a widow, her maiden name being Haydon.



16.  JOHN6 BATES VI (son of JOHN5 [6]) was born 1795 in Flamstead, Herts, England, died c. 1863 in Limbury-cum-Biscot, Luton and was buried in Crawley Green Road Cemetary, Luton, Beds, England. He married SARAH KIDMAN 17 Jul 1817.  She was born c. 1796, and died 1869 in Limbury-cum-Biscot and was also buried in Crawley Green Road Cemetary, Luton


Children of JOHN BATES and SARAH KIDMAN are:

30.     i.   JOHN7 BATES VII, b. 1818, Offley, Herts, England; d. 05 Oct 1868.

31.    ii.   ANN BATES, b. 1820, Offley, Herts, England.

32.   iii.   THOMAS BATES, b. 1823, Offley, Herts, England.



17.  WILLIAM6 BATES (son of JOHN5 [6])  was born 1799 in Flamstead, Herts, England, died 1865 and buried 1865, Harpenden, Herts, England.  He married (1) MARY COX 1825.  She died 1830 and was buried in Sandridge, Herts, England.  He married (2) JANE BURCHMORE Aft. 1830, daughter of WILLIAM BURCHMORE and HANNAH DOLLING.  She was born c. 1805 in Flamstead, Herts, England.


By 1850 William had moved to the 363 acre Piggots Farm at Wheathamstead which became the new home for the 7th generation Bates children.


Children of WILLIAM BATES and MARY COX are:

                i.   MARY ANN7 BATES, b. 1825, Lilley, Herts, England; d. 1884; m. JONATHON COX, 1847, Hitchen, Herts, England; d. 1881.

               ii.   EMMA BATES, b. 1828, Lilley, Herts, England.



        iii.   CHARLOTTE7 BATES, b. 1835, Luton, Bedfordshire, England.

        iv.   WILLIAM BATES, b. 1836, Harpenden, Herts, England.

         v.   JANE BATES, b. 1838, St Pauls Walden, Herts, England.

33.   vi.   EDMUND BATES, b. 1839, St Pauls Walden, Herts, England.

       vii.   GEORGE BATES, b. 1842, St Pauls Walden, Herts, England.

      viii.   JOHN BATES, b. 1848, St Pauls Walden, Herts, England.



18.  EDMUND6 BATES (son of JOHN5 [6])  was born 1804 in Flamstead, Herts, England, died 12 Jul 1848 and buried Jul 1848, St Mary's Parish Churchyard, Luton.  He married ELIZABETH ?.  She was born c. 1791.


The 1841 census for Wheathamstead, situated several miles south of Offley, reveals that Edmund Bates, born in 1804 and aged 36 at the time of the census was living in the Batford Flour Mills, and employed as a miller and farmer. 


Children of EDMUND BATES and ELIZABETH ? are:

    i.   ANNE7 BATES, b. 1821, Wheathampstead, Herts, England.

    ii.   MARY ANN BATES, b. 1825, Wheathampstead, Herts, England.

   iii.   CHARLOTTE BATES, b. 1834, Wheathampstead, Herts, England.

   iv.   WILLIAM BATES, b. 1836, Wheathampstead, Herts, England.



19.  HANNAH6 BATES (dau. of JOHN5 [6])  was born 1806 in Flamstead, Herts, England.  She married JAMES BLOTT Bef. 1840. 


In 1851 the census of that year revealed Hannah living with her husband, James, at 239, High Holborn, Finsbury, in the parish of St. Giles in the Fields. Living in the house were 3 of James' children, Helen and Walter by his first marriage, and Edmund by his second wife, Hannah. Three domestic servants also lived in, two of whom were assisting in the bakery business which James ran and owned. Edmund was baptised in Dunstable despite living in London. The reason for this was undoubtedly because on the same day, his mother's sister, Sarah, who had married a well-known Dunstable butcher, Henry Parrott, had their son, Henry, baptised at Dunstable. Quite a family occasion!



                i.   EDMUND7 BLOTT, b. 1839 in London and baptised 29 Aug 1839, Dunstable, Beds, England



20.  JAMES6 BATES (son of JOHN5 [6]) was born 1809 in Flamstead, Herts, England, and died 23 Dec 1853 and buried Dec 1853, St Mary's Parish Churchyard, Luton.  He married SOPHIA PRICE 1838 in Leighton Buzzard, Beds, England.  She was born 1813 in Leighton Buzzard, Beds, England.


Children of JAMES BATES and SOPHIA PRICE are:

                i.   ROSA7 BATES, b. 1838, Lilley, Herts, England.

               ii.   SOPHIA BATES, b. 1839, Lilley, Herts, England; d. died an infant ?.

               iii.   SOPHIA BATES, b. 1840, Lilley, Herts, England.

               iv.   THOMAS PRICE BATES, b. 1841, Lilley, Herts, England.

                v.   ELIZABETH BATES, b. 1844 and baptised  23 Jun 1844 in Flamstead, Herts, England; d. died an infant ?.

               vi.   SARAH BATES, b. 1844 and baptised  23 Jun 1844 in Flamstead, Herts, England.

              vii.   ALICE BATES, b. 1848 and baptised 01 Oct 1848 in Flamstead, Herts, England.

             viii.   JAMES FREDERICK BATES, b. 1848 and baptised 01 Oct 1848 in Flamstead, Herts, England.

              ix.   ELLEN BATES, b. 1850 and baptised 01 Sep 1850 in Flamstead, Herts, England.

               x.   LUCY BATES, b. 1850 and baptised 01 Sep 1850 in Flamstead, Herts, England.

              xi.   ELIZABETH BATES, b. 1852 and baptised 06 Jan 1852 in Flamstead, Herts, England.



21.  SARAH6 BATES (dau. of JOHN5 [6])  was born 1811 in Flamstead, Herts, England.  She married HENRY PARROTT of Dunstable, Beds, England. 


Children of SARAH BATES and HENRY PARROTT are:

                i.   ELIZABETH7 PARROTT, b. c. 1838.

               ii.   HENRY PARROTT, b. c. 1839.



22.  GEORGE6 BATES (son of JOHN5 [6]) was born 1813 in Flamstead, Herts, England, and died 1855.  He married (1) MARY ANN ? Bef. 1839.  She was born 1820, and died Bef. 1844.  He married (2) LAVINIA HARRIET SHEPPARD 1844 in Offley, Herts, England, daughter of RICHARD SHEPPARD and ELIZABETH ?.  She was born 1803, baptised 14 Jul 1803 and died 12 Jul 1854 in Offley, Herts, England.


In 1829 George Bates was being employed as a gamekeeper at nearby Aldenham, for the joint Lords of the Manor, Sir Charles William Flint, John George Woodford Esq. and John Athol Hammett Esq.


1851 census returns for Offley reveal that George was a tenant farmer of Angels Farm which extended to 250 acres and employed 8 labourers.  A domestic servant aged 24 lived with them and two farm labourers, aged 14 & 18. George was recorded as aged 38, Lavinia as 45. In fact Lavinia was aged 48.


Lavinia Sheppard was the daughter of Richard Sheppard (who died on 19 February 1837 aged 55) and Elizabeth Sheppard.  He was the one-time owner of Little Offley.  The estate descended to a sister of Lavinia, Mary Hill Sheppard, but it would appear that Lavinia was well provided for in her father's will, a fact that may or may not have influenced George Bates in his decision to marry Lavinia, a woman some 10 years his senior.  Lavinia died 1854, aged 51, and there is a fine memorial slab in Offley Church which commemorates her death, as well as other members of her family.


The following information was also provided by Allan Booth whose wife, Jean (nee Jakins), is the author's fourth cousin.


"Lavinia was born to Richard and Elizabeth Shepherd, and baptised on 14 July 1803.  Her first marriage was to Richard Marsh on 24 November 1830 at Offley.  Richard died in 1838, he was buried at Offley and was described as a gentleman farmer of Offley Hoo.


In less than 12 months, Lavinia had remarried.  Her second husband was one George Sutton, a miller of Wheathampstead.  They were married on January 10th 1839 at Wheathampstead.  Lavinia was listed on the marriage certificate as a Widow of Offley Hoo.  They set up home back in Offley and the 1841 census revealed them living with Lavinia's son by her first marriage, Richard Marsh.  George Sutton died and was buried at Offley on 18 August 1842, aged 33 years.


In 1844 she married for the third time, this time into the Bates family.  Her third husband was George Bates."


Children of GEORGE BATES and MARY ? are:

                i.   GEORGE7 BATES, b. 1839, Little Hormead, Herts, England.

               ii.   JOSEPH BATES, b. 1841, Offley, Herts, England.



23.  ANN6 BATES (dau. of JOHN5 [6]) was born 1821 in Offley, Herts, England, and died 31 Jan 1889 and was buried in Dunstable, Beds, England.  She married (1) JOHN SQUIRE of Dunstable.  He died 1845.  She married (2) WILLIAM LAKE 1848.  He was born 1821, and died 25 Jul 1885 in Offley, Herts, England.


Between 1862 and 1871 William and Ann separated; Ann's will asserts that William deserted her.


Ann moved to Dunstable after the break-up of her marriage to William.


The census return for 1871 reveals the fact that Ann was living at 55, West St. Court, Dunstable with her daughters Laura, Sarah, Anna and Mary. Apart from Mary who was still a "scholar", all the rest were involved in the straw bonnet business.


The marriage certificate of William Lake and Ann Squire (1848) reveals that William Lake was a "traveller".  By the time Mary was born, her father was recorded on the birth certificate as a farmer.


The Lakes were an established farming family in Offley and it was a bit of a surprise for Rosemary Day to discover that William had taken up the life of a gypsy.


The census return for 1871 reveals William was in lodgings in Offley, described as an unemployed farm bailey and lodging at the Cock Inn and near relatives. Ann died in 1889.


However, at the time of his death in 1885, he was recorded as a farm labourer. He died aged 65 years and 11 months and was found dead in Warrenstone Field at Offley. The causes of death were stated by the Hitchen coroner as sunstroke and natural causes.


Child of ANN BATES and JOHN SQUIRE is:

34.     i.   JOHN8 SQUIRE, b. 1844.


Children of ANN BATES and WILLIAM LAKE are:

               ii.   ELIZABETH ANN8 LAKE, b. 1849, Lilley, Herts, England; d. 1904.

Elizabeth had left home by 1871 and was in service in London. She later trained as a Nightingale nurse and worked at St Thomas's Hospital before moving to Winchester. She died never having married.

               iii.   LAURA LAKE, b. 1852, Offley, Herts, England; d. 1915 and buried 1915, Dunstable, Beds,

Laura remained a spinster all her life

               iv.   SARAH LAKE, b. 1853, Offley, Herts, England.

She remained a spinster all her life

                v.   WALTER LAKE, b. 1854, d. 1855 and buried in Offley, Herts, England, died an infant.

               vi.   ANNA MARIA LAKE, b. 1856, Offley, Herts, England; d. 1876 and buried 1876, Dunstable, Beds,

35.   vii.   MARY HANNAH LAKE, b. 24 Dec 1861, Offley, Herts, England; d. 1929.



24.  THOMAS6 BATES (son of George5 [7]) was born 1806 and baptised 29 Jun 1806 in Flamstead, Herts, England.  He married (1) ELIZABETH ? c. 1835.  She was born c. 1809, died 24 Jan 1837 and was buried 30 Jan 1837 in Flamstead, Herts, England  He married (2) ALICE MORROWE DAVIES 31 Mar 1838 in Paternoster, London, daughter of CHARLES DAVIES and ANNA NEWTON.  She was born 1803 and baptised 19 Apr 1803,in Blackfriars, London, England.


After 1841, Thomas Bates and his wife, Alice applied for and obtained a position in nearby Hitchen in the Union Workhouse.  Few records of any kind for the 1840s have survived relating to Hitchen Workhouse.  However, a search of the Minutes of the Hitchen Board of Guardians (locally responsible for the care of the poor) which, although largely administrative in content, included lists of paupers receiving out-relief and some other references to individual paupers, did reveal the following entry in the Minutes of 23 January 1844.


     "The Board this day appointed Thomas Bates, aged 37 and his wife,

     Alice, aged 39, Porter and Assistant at the Union Workhouse in the

     Room of Mr E. Driscoll the late porter who has resigned, at a salary

     of 12 shillings and sixpence per week with their Board and Lodging."


A later entry clarifies why Thomas was referred to as a baker in the baptism entry for his son, for when he attended the Board of Guardian's meeting a week later, on 30 January 1844 and informed the Board he was able to take up the appointment on 2 February 1844 he "was informed by the Board that, in addition to his duties as prescribed in the General Workhouse rules, he is to have the management of the baking".


Through checking the lists of quarterly wages payments it is possible to establish when Thomas and Alice left the workhouse.  The Minutes of 23 June 1846 read...


     "Mr Thomas Bates, the porter, attended the Board this day, and

     reported that he had obtained a situation in London and requested

     permission to leave the service of the union on Saturday next which

     was granted."


The 1851 census reveals Thomas and Alice Bates living with their three sons in the parish of Islington, in the borough of Finsbury, in London. Henry George, his elder brother, Charles W. Bates and a younger son, George  M. Tilly Bates.  Thomas was employed as a store house clerk. He was no longer working in the baking/brewing business


The 1851 census did not reveal a most exciting discovery made regarding Thomas and Alice’s family.  There was no mention of a daughter, Mary S. Bates. Thomas and Alice had a further addition to their family when, in 1847, hard on the birth of George M. Bates, a daughter was born in Reading. In the census return of 1901, Mary S Bates was revealed, living or staying at the home of her brother, George, sister-in-law, Maria and their family in Bedford. By this time, the only son remaining at home was William S Bates.  Could it be that the birth of Henry George’s sister, Mary, in Reading, provides the link that eventually resulted in him marrying a Reading girl, Mary Spencer Longhurst? And why wasn’t Mary S. Bates mentioned in the 1851 census? Was she brought up in Reading?


The census return of 1841 inaccurately gives her age as 34.  She was in fact 37.  It is possible she tried to conceal her true age from her husband. 


There is anecdotal evidence that Thomas and Alice had another son.  Thomas' great-granddaughter, Heather Bates who died in 1991 wrote a letter to the author on 16 June 1990 in which she asserted.... "There was also a brother of Grandfather Bates who lived in Bedford as a Schoolmaster".  I have not been able to trace this issue. [see below for a reappraisal]


On moving to London, Thomas must have plied his trade as a baker, and some time later acquired the additional skills of a brewer.  On his son's marriage certificate in 1873 - Thomas was by this time 67 years of age - Thomas' occupation was given as that of brewer.  Perhaps it was at the "Sugar Loaf" a public house in Little College Street, off College Street, in the City of London that he picked up the skills of a brewer.  In 1841 his sister-in-law, Esther was working and living in the "Sugar Loaf" as an assistant licensed victualler along with a John Davies, aged 26, the licensee, and two other members of the Davies family, Esther aged 15 and James aged 15.  Henry Davies, Thomas' brother-in-law was living, in 1841, in the family home, 6 College Street, City of London, and was the Parish Clerk and Beadle of Innkeepers Hall - St. Anne.  He was 46, his wife Mary 43.  Thomas therefore, on moving back to London, must have had close connections with the licensed trade which probably explains his diversification into brewing.


The date and whereabouts of his death are unknown.



                i.   WILLIAM7 BATES, b. c. 1835, baptised 05 Jul 1835, Flamstead, Herts, d. died an infant and was buried in Offley, Herts, England.


Children of THOMAS BATES and ALICE DAVIES are:

36.    ii.   CHARLES W7 BATES, b. c. 1843, Offley, Herts, England; d. Bef. 1881.

37.   iii.   HENRY GEORGE BATES, b. 13 Mar 1845, Hitchin, Herts, England; d. 31 Jan 1922, Plymouth, Devon, England.

38.   iv.   GEORGE M TILLY BATES, b. c. 1847, Islington, London, England.

         v.   MARY S. BATES, b. 1847, Reading, Berks, England.



25.  WILLIAM6 BATES (son of THOMAS WELCH5 [8]) was born 1797 and baptised 03 Jun 1798 in Offley, Herts, England, and died 1845.  He met FRANCIS JAKINS. She was the Housekeeper!


William Bates was less than a year old when his mother died in childbirth, giving birth to his sister Sarah.  In the absence of any re-marriage certificate, it seems appropriate to assume that William's father, Thomas Welch Bates remained a widower.  He died at Hitchin on December 1st 1846, 'certified senile'.


William somehow went to Eversholt where perhaps he was looked after by his grandfather's family; William Deacon came from Tingrith, next door to Eversholt.  The Deacons were a populous family in this area, dating back to 1600.  William somehow inherited 25 acres of land, a house and a cottage at the age of 17.  This land had previously been farmed by the Deacons.


William had an illegitimate son by his housekeeper, Francis Jakins.  Also called William, he was baptised William Jakins on 3 April 1831 at Mauldon.  William Bates maintained and kept the lad, leaving him a trust fund in his Will.  When William Jakins married he was called on the marriage certificate William Jakins Bates.  This was the last time he used the name Bates.  William Bates died in 1845 and the farm was sold to a John Holmes.



                i.   WILLIAM BATES7 JAKINS, b. 1831 and baptised 03 Apr 1831, Maulden, Beds, England.

William (his father) had an illegitimate son by his housekeeper, Francis Jakins.  Also called William, he was baptised William Jakins.  William Bates (father) maintained and kept the lad, leaving him a trust fund in his Will.  When William Jakins married he was called on the marriage certificate William Jakins Bates.  This was the last time he used the name Bates. 



26.  SARAH6 LANE (dau. of HANNAH5 [10]) was born 1811 and baptised 14 Apr 1811 in Offley, Herts, England.  She married JAMES CAWDLE JEEVES 26 Mar 1834 in Offley, Herts, England.  He was born 1808 in Hitchin, and baptised 21 Sep 1808, St. Mary’s, Hitchin, Herts, England.


Children of SARAH LANE and JAMES JEEVES are:

         i.   ALFRED7 JEEVES, b. 1835 and baptised 26 Jun 1835 in Hitchen, Herts, England.

        ii.   MARIA JEEVES, b. 1837 and baptised 09 Jun 1837 in Hitchen, Herts, England.

        iii.   WILTON JEEVES, b. c. 1840 and baptised 31 Jan 1840 in Hitchen, Herts, England.

39.   iv.   HENRY JEEVES, b. 1842, Hitchen, Herts, England.



27.  SAMUEL6 HAYDON (son of SARAH5 [11]) was born c. 1803.  He married MARY SAMM 15 Nov 1827 in Caddington, Beds, England. 


Children of SAMUEL HAYDON and MARY SAMM are:

                i.   SAMUEL FRANKLIN7 HAYDON, b. 1842 and baptised 25 May 1842, East Hyde, Beds.

               ii.   ELLEN HAYDON, b. c. 1844, New Mill End, Beds, England; m. EZRA PIGGOTT of Luton, 27 Sep 1871, East Hyde; b. c. 1840, Woodside, Beds. (Census: 1881, butcher)

40.   iii.   JANE HAYDON, b. c. 1845, New Mill End, Beds, England.

               iv.   MARY HAYDON, b. 1847 and baptised 04 Jul 1847, East Hyde, Beds, England.

                v.   THOMAS HAYDON, b. 1848 and baptised 03 Dec 1848, East Hyde, Beds, England.



28.  HANNAH6 HAYDON (dau. of SARAH5 [11]) was born 1820 and baptised 29 Aug 1820 in Luton, Beds, England.  She married DANIEL HARFORD COX 12 Oct 1843 in St. Mary’s, Luton, Beds, England. 


Children of HANNAH HAYDON and DANIEL COX are:

                i.   JOHN HAYDON7 COX, b. 1844 and baptised 22 Sep 1844 in East Hyde, Beds.

               ii.   CHARLES HENRY COX, b. 1846 and baptised 22 Mar 1846 in East Hyde, Beds.

               iii.   ANNIE COX, b. 1853 and baptised in Luton, Beds, England.



29.  JOSEPH6 BATES (son of JOSEPH5 [13]) was born 1813 and baptised 04 Jul 1813 in Offley, Herts, England, and died 1882 in Lilley, Herts, England.  He married ANN MOLES 14 Oct 1834 in Bishopgate, London, England.  She was born 1814 in Stevenage, Herts, England, and died 1885 in Lilley, Herts, England.


Joseph Bates became a builder by trade. Joseph was an extremely successful builder and equally fruitful as a father. In 1851 he was identified in the census as a Master Builder employing 15 men and in 1881, shortly before he died he employed 32 men and 7 apprentices and boys.


The family of Ann Moles can be traced back to one Risely Moles, b. about 1560.


Children of JOSEPH BATES and ANN MOLES are:

                i.   GEORGE MOULES7 BATES, b. 1836, Stevenage, Herts, England; m. (1) JANE REBECCA RICKETT, 1882, London, England; b. 1845, Cambridge, England; d. Bef. 1905; m. (2) CLARA NICHOLLS, 1905; b. c. 1840.

In 1851 he was a Keeper of Beer Shop, Railway Inn, Stevenage, in 1881 a builder and in 1891 a carpenter and builder.

               ii.   SARAH ANN BATES, b. 1838, Stevenage, Herts, England; d. 05 Sep 1917, Stevenage, Herts, England.

               iii.   ELIZABETH BATES, b. 1840, Stevenage, Herts, England; d. 1843, Stevenage, Herts, England.

               iv.   MARIA BATES, b. 1842, Stevenage, Herts, England.

                v.   LEVINIA BATES, b. 1845, Stevenage, Herts, England.

               vi.   EDMOND A BATES, b. 1846, Stevenage, Herts, England.

              vii.   JOSEPH BATES, b. 1848, Stevenage, Herts, England; d. 1918, Stevenage, Herts, England. 1891 Census: Grocer

             viii.   HENRY BATES, b. 1850, Stevenage, Herts, England; d. 1899, Stevenage, Herts, England.

              ix.   ELEANOR BATES, b. 1851, Stevenage, Herts, England; d. 1857, Stevenage, Herts, England.

               x.   WILLIAM BATES, b. 1852, Stevenage, Herts, England.

              xi.   HERBERT BATES, b. 1854, Stevenage, Herts, England; d. May 1892, Stevenage, Herts, England.

In 1981 he was a builder, in 1891 he was an assistant builder!

              xii.   EDGAR BATES, b. 1859, Stevenage, Herts, England.





Generation No. 7



30.  JOHN7 BATES VII (son of JOHN6 [16]) was born 1818 and baptised 14 Oct 1818, in Offley, Herts, England, He died 05 Oct 1868 and buried Crawley Green Road Cemetery, Luton, Beds, England.  He married SOPHIA ?.  He was a carpenter


Children of JOHN BATES and SOPHIA ? are:

41.     i.   GEORGE HENRY8 BATES, b. 1840.

        ii.   EMILY BATES, b. 1843, baptised 06 Aug 1843, Codicote, Herts, England; m. GEORGE WORLD.

        iii.   CAROLINE BATES, b. 1845 and baptised 10 Aug 1845, Codicote, Herts, England.

42.   iv.   AMOS BATES, b. 1848, Codecote, Herts, England; d. 1921, Codecote, Herts, England.

         v.   HARRIET BATES, b. 1849 and baptised 14 Oct 1849, Codicote, Herts, England.

        vi.   REBECCA BATES, b. 1851 and baptised 09 Nov 1851, Codicote, Herts, England.

       vii.   ELIZA BATES, b. 1854 and baptised 02 Apr 1854, Codicote, Herts, England.

      viii.   LUCY BATES, b. 1858 and baptised 02 May 1858, Codicote, Herts, England.

       ix.   WILLIAM BATES, b. 1860, Codicote, Herts, England.



31.  ANN7 BATES (dau. of JOHN6 [16]) was born 1820 in Offley, Herts, England.  She married CHRISTOPHER TOMSON.



                i.   SARAH ANNA8 TOMSON, b. 1845.

               ii.   JOHN CHRISTOPHER TOMSON, b. 1846.

               iii.   CHARLES TOMSON, b. 1848.

               iv.   CHARLOTTE TOMSON, b. 1849.

                v.   MARY ELIZA TOMSON, b. 1851.

               vi.   EDWARD JOHN TOMSON, b. 1853; d. 1856.



32.  THOMAS7 BATES (son of JOHN6 [16]) was born 1823 and baptised 23 Jun 1823 in Offley, Herts, England.  He married (1) CHARLOTTE ?.  She was born c. 1817 in Shillington, Bedfordshire, England, and died 1856 and buried 03 Apr 1856, Crawley Green Road Cemetary, Luton,.  He married (2) EMMA ?.  She was born c. 1828 in Faversham, Kent, England.  He married (3) MARY ANN ?.  She was born 1836 in Hitchin, Herts, England and buried Crawley Green Road Cemetary, Luton,


Thomas had a total of seven children by his three wives. The census return for 1851 shows Thomas farming at Hill Farm, Barton, which totalled 440 acres and employed 21 men and 4 boys. The census return for 1871 shows Thomas, Mary Ann and 5 of his children living at Eaton Green Farm, Luton. This farm consisted of 550 acres and is now buried underneath Luton Airport! By 1881, the family had moved to Anstey in NE Hertfordshire and resided in the Hall. This was a 690 acre farm, employing 21 men and 7 boys. Three of their children lived with them at the time of the census. John Bates VII was also buried in the same cemetery in Luton as other members of his family.


Children of THOMAS BATES and CHARLOTTE ? are:

                i.   ELLEN S8 BATES, b. 1852, Barton Eaton, Beds, England.

               ii.   ANN BATES, b. 1857, Eaton Green, Beds, England.


      Children of THOMAS BATES and EMMA ? are:

               iii.   JANE8 BATES, b. 1864 and baptised 06 Feb 1862 in Eaton Green, Beds, England.

               iv.   MARY BATES, b. 1862, Eaton Green, Beds, England; d. 24 Sep 1862, died an infant.

                v.   EDITH BATES, b. 16 Sep 1864, Eaton Green, Beds, England; d. 29 Sep 1864, died an infant.


Children of THOMAS BATES and MARY ? are:

               vi.   JOHN8 BATES, b. 1867, Eaton Green, Beds, England.

              vii.   THOMAS EDWARD BATES, b. 1870, Eaton Green, Beds, England.

             viii.   MARION BATES, b. 1872, Eaton Green, Beds, England.

              ix.   FRANK BATES, b. 1874, Eaton Green, Beds, England.



33.  EDMUND7 BATES (son of of WILLIAM 6 [17]) was born 1839 in St Pauls Walden, Herts, England.  He married MARY KIDMAN 1873.  She was born c. 1843 in Limbury-cum-Biscot, Luton, Beds, England.


The couple were farming the Grange, at Limbury-cum-Biscott, Luton. This was an a large farm - the Bates family seem to have been successful as farmers, taking on big properties - consisting of 420 acres, and Edmund employed 10 men and 8 boys. Six men and women lived in at the Grange.


Children of EDMUND BATES and MARY KIDMAN are:

         i.   WILLIAM PERCY8 BATES, b. 1875, Limbury-cum-Biscot, Luton, Beds, England.

        ii.   EDMUND CECIL BATES, b. 1878, Limbury-cum-Biscot, Luton, Beds, England.

        iii.   THOMAS BURCHMORE BATES, b. 1880, Limbury-cum-Biscot, Luton, Beds, England.

        iv.   ARTHUR JOHN BATES, b. 1881, Limbury-cum-Biscot, Luton, Beds, England.



34.  JOHN8 SQUIRE (son of ANN7 BATES  [23]) was born 1844.  He married FRANCES HONOUR STANBRIDGE 1872. 


       John Squire was a butcher



                i.   FRANCES ANNIE9 SQUIRE.



35.  MARY HANNAH8 LAKE (dau. of ANN7 BATES  [23]) was born 24 Dec 1861 in Offley, Herts, England, and died 1929 and buried Dunstable, Beds, England.  She married EDWARD COOK 1900. 


Edward Cook was a twice widowed man in his 50's when he married Mary Hannah and had a grown up family by his second wife. They lived at Dunstable.


Children of MARY LAKE and EDWARD COOK are:

         i.   ELSIE9 COOK.

43.    ii.   EDNA COOK.



36.  CHARLES W7 BATES (son of of THOMAS 6 [24]) was born c. 1843 in Offley, Herts, England, and died Bef. 1881.  He married ELIZABETH EMMA SNOW DAWSON 20 Mar 1866 in Bedford, England, daughter of WILLIAM MARKWELL DAWSON.  She was born c. 1842 and baptised 25 Jun in Elstow, Beds, England.


In 1881 the family, with Elizabeth as head, lived at 2, Albert Cottages, Chigwell, Essex and lived off income from Home Property. She was still alive and living at the same address in 1891, aged 47. However, she was no longer there in 1901, either having died or moved away.



                i.   LAURA C8 BATES, b. c. 1868, Southampton, Hants, England.

               ii.   ANGELA R BATES, b. Stepney, Middlesex.



37.  HENRY GEORGE7 BATES (son of of THOMAS 6 [24]) was born 13 Mar 1845, birth registered 14 Apr 1845, baptised 16 May 1845 in Hitchin, Herts, England. He died (heart attack) 31 Jan 1922 and was buried in Plymouth, Devon, England.  He married MARY SPENCER LONGHURST 03 Apr 1873 in Reading, Berks, England, daughter of EBENEZER LONGHURST and MARY FRANCIS. She was born 18 May 1846 in Reading, Berks, England, birth registered 23 Jun 1846 and died (heart attack) 26 May 1925 in Plymouth, Devon, England.


Henry George Bates grew up and entered the world of trade and commerce, and at the time of his marriage, in 1873, he was a salesman, living in Newport, Monmouthshire, South Wales. 


He married Mary Spencer Longhurst, aged 26, the daughter of Ebenezer, a Reading builder, and Mary Longhurst (nee Francis) at St. Giles Parish Church, Reading.  Evidently they were a well-educated, responsible and aspiring couple whose background indicated lower-middle class origins, on which they would build. 


Mary's siblings were Ebenezer, b.1850, Charles, b.1852, Edwin, b.1853, Kate, b.1848 and Alice who died aged 48 of multiple sclerosis. 


Ebenezer, her father, gave his occupation as that of a joiner on the birth certificate.  By the time Mary was 12 her father had died.  His death was from syphilis.  He died in Littlemore Lunatic Asylum and was "generally paralysed".  The circumstances of his death must have weighed heavily on the whole family and undoubtedly Mary assumed a heavy responsibility in assisting her mother to bring up the children.  Within seven years her mother, too was dead, probably as a result of the same affliction.


The newly-married couple settled in Newport after their marriage, living close to the commercial centre of the rapidly growing town of Newport.  The prosperity of this South Wales port was burgeoning as a result of the expansion of the coal and iron industries of Monmouthshire.  They lived at 9 Hill Street, a steeply-inclined street leading off Commercial Street - today the town's shopping centre.


The house Henry and Mary lived in Newport has been demolished, but similar houses in the street still exist on both sides of where No. 9 once stood to give a good idea of what their first home looked like.  Of course, it is not known whether the couple rented rooms, or occupied the whole house.  In any event, the family quickly grew in size.  In 1874, within 10 months of marrying, their first son, Henry Wilbeforce, had been born.  By this time Henry George was employed as an upholsterer.  In c.1878, he moved his family to Plymouth where he had obtained the position of furnishing salesman working for a Mr Davies of Old-Town Street, Plymouth.  The couple were to spend the rest of their lives in Plymouth. 


In about 1892 Mr Davies's firm was taken over by a much larger concern, Popham's Ltd. and Henry George continued to be employed by this important departmental store the rest of his working life.  For the next ten years he worked as a buyer in the Furniture Department, and thereafter he was the "conductor of funerals and removals".  In modern terms he was the Funeral Director at Pophams.  Somewhat strangely, however, his occupation on his death certificate was given as that of 'furniture salesman' - a reference perhaps to the fact he dealt in coffins.


The family first took up residence in Plymouth at 4 Endsleigh Cottages. Later they moved to 7 Hyde Park Terrace, Compton Gifford, Plymouth.  In 1904 they moved again this time to 132 Mount Gould Road, and in 1910 the family's final move was made to 7, Diamond Avenue.


 Apart from his work, and his role as the head of a large family, Henry George Bates was a devoutly religious man, worshipping in Charles Church.  For many years he was a Churchwarden at the church where the whole family worshipped every Sunday - like his great grandfather, Thomas 'The Churchwarden' Bates.  He was also a Lay Reader.  The whole family of 15 occupied the front two pews of Charles Church.  A former colleague of his, a retired Director of Pophams, Mr E.J. Doidge, recalled in 1975 that he well remembered from about 1898 the family preceding in columns of two to Charles Church, via Lipson Road, the smallest pair in front and so on to Mother and Father at the rear.  Mr Doidge went on to recall that Henry George Bates "was a man very conscious of the responsibility and dignity of his funeral duties and was held in considerable esteem and possibly awe by his contemporaries".  In his obituary notice, it stated he was known throughout Plymouth and in all parts of Devon and Cornwall.


Henry George died suddenly of a heart attack and on the evening of his death he had attended a church meeting.  He was a few weeks short of his 77th Birthday when he died.  His wife, Mary Spencer (nee Longhurst) Bates lived a further three years.  She died, also of a heart attack aged 79.  Her daughter Marion was with her when she died.


Mary Spencer Longhurst was mentioned in the census of 1871 as an assistant, along with 23 other ‘assistants’, living in the Civil parish of St. Mary, Berkshire.



44.     i.   HENRY WILBERFORCE8 BATES, b. 07 Jan 1874, Newport, Monmouthshire, England; d. 1941.

        ii.   ALICE MARY BATES, b. 03 May 1875, Newport, Monmouthshire, England; d. Acton, London.

Being the eldest daughter, she helped her mother bring up her twelve surviving brothers and sisters.  She grew up with a great passion for reading and worked for a short time as House Mother in the "Waifs and Strays" Society.  She never married.  She lived at home until the death of her mother in 1925 whereupon she moved to Acton, in London to live with six of her brothers and sisters.

 She had a very quiet, amiable disposition and was most hospitable.  Her niece, Joyce Nicholl (née Bates) remembers being taken by her Aunt Alice to see her first ever London pantomime, "Peter Pan" starring Jean Forbes Robertson as Peter Pan.

 She died at Lynton Road, Acton.

               iii.   KATE ELIZABETH BATES, b. 1877, Newport, Monmouthshire, England.

Kate or Kitty, as she was always known, became the dominant force among the elder children.  Like her sister Alice, she never married, but grew up to become a very lively business woman who loved amateur dramatics and being with and helping other people.  For many years she worked for an oil company, Shell Mex, as a secretary.  The offices were located at Shellmex House in the Strand (London).

 After the death of her mother in 1925, she assumed responsibility for a significant part of the family.  She made a home for six of her brothers and sisters at Lynton Road, Acton, in North London.  Her 'family' consisted of Godfrey, Alice, Gladys, Dorothy, Ernest and Marian.  She also found the time, and space, to take in a lodger or two!


She was a bright and affectionate person and she was asked on many occasions how they had managed in Plymouth, at home, with so many in the family.  She always replied, "Oh, very well.  The eldest daughter looked after the new baby and the next in line took over the "old baby" and so on down the family".  By all accounts they were all well disciplined and help was easy to obtain for cleaning, washing, etc. with even a man to do the mangling, labour being very cheap at the time.

45.   iv.   ARTHUR EDWIN BATES, b. 1878, Newport, Monmouthshire, England; d. 23 Jun 1983, Hatch End, Middlesex, England.

46.    v.   GEORGE WYNDHAM BATES, b. 26 Apr 1879, Plymouth, Devon, England; d. 1941, Purley, Surrey, England.

47.   vi.   FRANK SPENCER BATES, b. 11 Jan 1881, Plymouth, Devon, England; d. 1965, Fishponds, Bristol, England.

       vii.   MARION GERTRUDE BATES, b. Mar 1882, Plymouth, Devon, England; d. Ashted, Surrey, England.

Like all but one of her four sisters (Dorothy) she never married.  She served in the Women's Army in the First World War and came to London in middle life.  She was living at home with her widowed mother and was present when Mary Spencer Bates died on 26 May 1925 of a heart attack at 7 Diamond Avenue, Plymouth.  On moving to London she joined the household of unmarried brothers and sisters at Acton.  She became an accounts clerk in one of the large London stores.  Previously, whilst living in Plymouth, she was a sales-ledger clerk at Pophams, Radford and Co. where her father worked.  She died at Ashtead, Surrey.

             viii.   GLADYS WINIFRED BATES, b. 1883, Plymouth, Devon, England.

Like two of her brothers, she was very short in stature and suffered from the crippling childhood disease, rickets. After leaving home she went to Acton to live and died there.  In spite of her handicap she was bright and pretty and worked very hard in both Bates households - at Plymouth and Acton.  She was an intelligent and much valued member of the family.  A devout church worker, she always had an interest in others.

              ix.   CHARLES GODFREY BATES, b. 1884, Plymouth, Devon, England; d. Acton, London, England.

Ernest and Gladys, he was short in stature and suffered from the effects of the childhood illness, rickets.

There is an amusing story of how the two handicapped brothers were painting by the sea-shore at Plymouth in 1914, and they were picked up by the police, suspected of spying for the enemy - the Germans.  Apparently they were forced to spend some considerable time convincing the authorities of their innocence.  No doubt they were painting ships of the British Navy.  Godfrey pursued his fondness for painting all his life becoming quite a gifted artist, specialising in head and shoulder portraits.

He lived in Acton, London, after moving away from Plymouth, and never married.  He worked as a draughtsman in the City of London and eventually became Manager of the Shipping Insurance Company.  By all accounts he was a great deal of fun and much loved by his nieces and nephews.  He died in Acton.

               x.   ERNEST MORROWE BATES, b. 1885, Plymouth, Devon, England.

Ernest Morrowe Bates suffered from similar handicaps to those of his brother and sister, Godfrey and Gladys.  Whilst living in Plymouth, at home, he was employed as a Sales Ledger Clerk and Sanction Credit Clerk at Gieves, George Street, Plymouth.  Later, on moving to Acton, he worked for the Inland Revenue.

Like his brother, Godfrey, he was a very talented artist and also loved fishing.  During the time he lived at home in Plymouth he devoted himself to working for Charles Church Sunday School and also the Literary Society.  His mother, writing to another of her sons, Edward, in one letter dated 24/5/25 - the day before she died of a heart attack - said of Ernest:

"I do not think Ernest will go far away for his holidays this year, he is very busy now arranging Sunday School treats and Literary Society outings and sundry other duties in connection with the church.  I believe he is going to take on fishing again some evening when it gets warmer."

 He, too, took a lively interest in his numerous nieces and nephews.  Despite his handicap he loved playing strenuous games with them whenever he had the chance.  He is also fondly remembered as always ready to read them a story.

              xi.   HERBERT THOMAS BATES, b. Sep 1886, Plymouth, Devon, England; d. 1888 of Meningitis.

48.  xii.   EDWARD WILLIAM BATES, b. Feb 1888, Plymouth, Devon, England; d. 1952.

             xiii.   AGNES DOROTHY BATES, b. Aug 1890, Plymouth, Devon, England; d. 1980; m. RANDOLF TOZER, 01 May 1965; b. 1898; d. Apr 1979.

Always known affectionately as "Doe".  She was very attached to her sister Kitty, and like her sister, Marion, she served in the Women's Army during the First World War.  She married - the one girl in the family so to do - very late in life, when she was in her seventies.  She married her childhood sweetheart, Randolf Tozer.  As a young girl she was wooed by Randolf but she was unable, or unwilling or even prevented from showing her feelings towards him.  There was talk of letters he had sent her having been "miscarried".  At any rate, he went to London and married someone else.  He became a Civil Architect by profession and he drew up the plans for the Post Office Tower in London but retired before it was built.  His marriage was not happy and when his wife died some time before 1965, he renewed his contact with Dorothy.  After a short courtship they married.  They went on a world cruise for their honeymoon.  Randolf, having had a very successful career, was very well off and so was Dorothy in her own right, as she had been left £8,000 when her brother, Harry, had died in 1941.  That was a real fortune in those days, so they lived very comfortably, and were very happy for several years.  Dorothy's niece, Mary, recalls that they were so happy they were like a couple of teenagers!  Dorothy was Mary's Godmother and Mary grew up to feel closer to her than any of the other sisters.   She told me:

  "When I was taken as a child to Acton, the other aunts would always give me 6d but Aunt Dorothy would always give me 2/6d!  After her marriage I used to visit them - several times a year.  I would have a   day out and go to Euston by train, cross to Waterloo and then get the   train to Ashtead.  After Randolf died I still visited her and several times she came and stayed with us.  One Christmas she was here for 5 weeks because it snowed and we couldn't do the journey back."

After 5 or 6 years Randolf died, aged 81, leaving Dorothy a rich widow.  She spent the final year or so of her life in a nursing home, becoming increasingly frail, and during her final illness, her step-daughter, Eileen took out an injunction to alter Randolf's Will in her own favour.  Dorothy died aged 90, in 1980.

Dorothy was everyone's favourite aunt, lively and humorous.  She was a very special sister to Edward and for a time she was housekeeper to her brother, Harry, after his wife died.  After 1941 she went to Acton to live with several of her brothers and sisters: after the death of Randolf, she returned to Acton to live.

             xiv.   FREDERICK PERCY BATES, b. 05 Jun 1892, Plymouth, Devon, England; d. 27 Mar 1962; m. MABEL PRIOR.

He served in the First World War and was awarded the Military Cross.  After the war he went up to Cambridge to study Theology and became an ordained priest in the Church of England.  Between 1928-1936 he was the Vicar at St. Mary's, Leamington Spa; in 1936 he moved to All Saints, Leyton where he served until 1946, and then he moved to St. Michael the Archangel, Westcliffe-on-Sea.  His last living was at Langham Parish Church.  Married to Mabel (nee Prior), the couple had no children.  He died on 27 March 1962.

A story, as told by sisters Kitty and Alice, and brother Edward, related a war-time episode concerning Percy.  During World War I Percy rose to the rank of Captain.  He was on duty at his headquarters when an officer appeared and rapidly repeated a succession of orders.  Captain Bates replied, "One thing at a time, Officer, one thing at a time".  Later he was told that the "officer" was HRH The Prince of Wales.

 Two of the Rev. Bates' former parishioners at Leamington Spa, Mrs E. Warr and Mr DW Langley recalled, in 1991, a few of their memories of the young curate in the 1930's.  Mrs Warr wrote....

"What I do remember most vividly was the day I was married, 20 August 1932.  The wedding was timed for 11.00am. but unfortunately the train we were to catch at 3.40pm. was cancelled so the only alternative was to have the wedding at 9.00am. and catch the only other train which left at 10.40am.  You can imagine the rush.  The Rev. Bates asked for two minutes silence, while the bridegroom prayed for the bride, and the bride prayed for the bridegroom and the congregation prayed for both of us.  Never before or since have I ever heard of that, and each vicar I have mentioned it to has never heard of it either.  I shall never forget it, in fact I think of it each time I go into a church."

 Mr Langley wrote....

"My own definite memory is unfortunate - and needs some explanation of circumstances because I do not wish to give a wrong impression that could cast a cloud.  In 1930 I had become attached to a non-conformist church in a village some five miles from home, when I learnt that there was no Sunday School for the children there - as I had always attended our own St. Mary's Sunday School, and by that time I was a Junior Teacher at both morning and afternoon school.  This worried me and I gave up the afternoon sessions to start a school in this village - the teachers at St. Mary's subscribed to a Bible for me as a token of good will and Rev. Percy presented this Bible to me on Sunday at morning service.  But a few weeks later he learnt that it was a Non-Conformist church I had gone to serve - and he called me into the vestry to express his disapproval saying that had he been aware at the time he would not have said what he did when he presented that Bible."

 On a happier note, Mr Langley recalled that after he left Leamington Spa, because of his sympathetic attitude to the Mother's Union in Leamington Spa, he and Mrs Bates welcomed a visit to Westcliffe-on-Sea from the St. Mary's branch, M.U. members on the occasion of their "outing" one year.

 When Percy was a Divinity student at Cambridge he would bring home fellow students to 7 Diamond Avenue, Plymouth where there would be parties on festive occasions.  It was quite a large house and the carpets would be rolled back for dancing and games.  Mary Spencer Bates (Percy's mother) was often invited as a 'guest'.  Although a fairly rigidly disciplined family, they were able occasionally to let their hair down and enjoy themselves.  Another former parishioner at Leamington Spa, Miss M.E. Bromage recalled, again in 1992....

 "The Rev. Frederick Percy Bates L.T.H. is the heading on the Form of Service for the induction of the Rev. Bates to the Parish of St. Mary's Leamington Spa, to it could be added M.C. Durham.

 The service took place at 3.30pm. on Saturday January 19, 1929 by the Bishop of Coventry.  I was not present at the service, I was 13 years old, but quite aware that Canon Kingdom had left, that the Parish would miss him very much, and that we had a new vicar.

 The time passed and Mr Bates worked amongst us and quickly became well liked.  Mrs Bates was also very much liked.  My own experience of Mr Bates was, of course, from my attendance at the Sunday School, and later on as a Sunday School teacher.  I remember he was a very kind leader and well remembered being prepared for Confirmation in 1933.  But on the "Great Day" I developed German Measles and had to postpone the event.  However, Mr Bates arranged for me to attend another service at Kenilworth, the weather was very bad, cold and deep snow.  However, typical of Mr Bates, my mother, god-mother and myself all preceeded to Kenilworth by the local bus service for the event, it was typical of Mr Bates' care and sincerity.  The Bates' were well liked and much missed when they left us for Southend.

 The Rev. Bates, when at St. Mary's, was Hon. Chaplain to the South African Veterans Association.  They held a Memorial Service every year in St. Mary's Church.  Mr Bates was very proud of this honour.  He was also Chaplain to the Warnford Hospital and in 1932 the Private Wing at the Warnford was dedicated.  Mr Bates, was as Chaplain, present and took the service of dedication at the laying of the foundation stone."



38.  GEORGE M TILLY7 BATES (son of of THOMAS 6 [24]) was born c. 1847 in Islington, London, England.  He married MARIA ?.  She was born 1846 in Bath, Somerset, England.


The 1901 census reveals that George M. T. Bates, aged 54, was living in the parish of Bedford St. Paul, Bedford and was a schoolmaster in an elementary school.  The 1901 census indicates that sons George, Leonard and Frank were not living at home on the night of the census.


The 1881 census reveals that he had moved to Bedford to pursue his teaching career at least twenty years earlier. In 1881 he was married and living with his wife at 123 Tavistock St., Bedford St. Paul, Bedford and was a certified school master.


The evidence of the 1881 census indicates that George and his wife lived in Leeds for a number of years before moving south to Bedford. Their three eldest children, George, William and Leonard were all born in Leeds.


Children of GEORGE BATES and MARIA ? are:

                i.   GEORGE N.8 BATES, b. 1873, Leeds, Yorkshire, England.

               ii.   WILLIAM S. BATES, b. 1874, Leeds, Yorkshire, England.

The 1901 census, William was noted as living at 123 Tavistock St., Bedford.

               iii.   LEONARD M. BATES, b. 1877, Leeds, Yorkshire, England.

               iv.   FRANK BATES, b. 1882, Bedford St Paul, Beds, England.

He was living in Bedford St. Paul in 1901. In that year he was an ironmongers apprentice



39.  HENRY7 JEEVES (son of SARAH 6 LANE [26]) was born 1842 and baptised 13 Jul 1842 in Hitchin, Herts.  He married MARY ELIZABETH CHILDS.  She was born c. 1847 in Ramsey, Hants, England.


       Census: 1881, solicitors managing clerk of 2 Bedford Villas, Bedford Road, Hitchin


Children of HENRY JEEVES and MARY CHILDS are:

                i.   WILTON H.8 JEEVES, b. c. 1874, Hitchen, Herts, England.

               ii.   ETHEL M. JEEVES, b. c. 1875, Hitchen, Herts, England.

               iii.   CYRIL R. JEEVES, b. c. 1876, Hitchen, Herts, England.

               iv.   ARTHUR J. JEEVES, b. c. 1878, Hitchen, Herts, England.

                v.   MABEL A. JEEVES, b. c. 1880, Hitchen, Herts, England.

49.   vi.   GERALD CHILDS JEEVES, b. 1883, Hitchen, Herts, England.



40.  JANE7 HAYDON  (dau. of of SAMUEL 6 [27]) was born c. 1845 in New Mill End, Beds, and baptised 14 Sep 1845, East Hyde, Beds.  She married GEORGE PIGGOTT.  He was born c. 1843 in Stopsley, Beds, England.


Census: 1881, of New Mill End Farm (370 acres)



                i.   MARY I.8 PIGGOTT, b. c. 1878, New Mill End, Beds, England.

               ii.   FRANKLIN G. PIGGOTT, b. c. 1880, New Mill End, Beds, England.





Generation No. 8



During the time of the 8th generation of the Bates family the members which the reader will be particularly interested in were no longer connected with Offley, in any direct way.  Rather it is to Newport in South Wales and Plymouth in South Devon that the family was drawn and to where we must have our attention directed.  The period covering the eighth generation begins in 1874 with the birth of Henry Wilberforce Bates, and ends in 1980 with the death of Agnes Dorothy (nee Bates) Tozer.  Much is known of this large and extraordinary generation, and this chapter follows closely a previously written account by the author in 1992.



41.  GEORGE HENRY8 BATES (son of JOHN7 [30]) was born 1840 and baptised 06 Dec 1840, Kings Walden, Herts.  He married SARAH ?. 


George was a carpenter and Sarah was a laundress


Children of GEORGE BATES and SARAH ? are:

                i.   ELLIS9 BATES, b. 1868, Codicote, Herts, England.

               ii.   GEORGE BATES, b. 1870, Codicote, Herts, England.

               iii.   FRANK BATES, b. 1874, Codicote, Herts, England.

               iv.   MARK BATES, b. 1877, Codicote, Herts, England.



42.  AMOS8 BATES (son of JOHN7 [30]) was born 1848 in Codecote, Herts, England, and died 1921 in Codecote, Herts, England.  He married SELINA ?. 


In 1891, according to the census of that year, Amos and his family were living at Codicote, near Hitchen in no. 93 High Street.  He was a Hurdle maker


Children of AMOS BATES and SELINA ? are:

                i.   ARTHUR9 BATES, b. 1873, Codicote, Herts, England.  Occupation: Agricultural labourer

               ii.   HERBERT BATES, b. 1875, Codicote, Herts, England.  Occupation: Agricultural labourer

               iii.   ALBERT BATES, b. 1877, Codicote, Herts, England. Occupation: Agricultural labourer

               iv.   RUTH MAY BATES, b. 1880, Codicote, Herts, England.

                v.   FREDERICK BATES, b. 1882, Codicote, Herts, England.

               vi.   LILIAN BATES, b. 1884, Codicote, Herts, England.

              vii.   BENJAMIN BATES, b. 1886, Codicote, Herts, England.

             viii.   ALICE BATES, b. 1889, Codicote, Herts, England.



43.  EDNA8 COOK (dau. of MARY HANNAH7 LAKE [35]) She married AUBREY WEBB. 


Children of EDNA COOK and AUBREY WEBB are:

                i.   ZENA9 WEBB, b. 1932.

50.    ii.   ROSEMARY WEBB, b. 1944.



44.  HENRY WILBERFORCE8 BATES (son of HENRY GEORGE 7 [37]) was born 07 Jan 1874 in Newport, Monmouthshire, England, and died 1941 in Plymouth, Devon, during an operation for a fractured skull.  He married OLINDA ROSE WILLS 29 Apr 1901 in Plymouth, Devon, England.  She died Aug 1934.


Henry Wilberforce Bates was the author's grandfather's eldest brother.  He was always known as Harry.  He and his wife, Lily, had three children, all boys.  The eldest was Roy, the second, John who was always referred to as Jack, and the youngest, Gerald who died in infancy.


Harry was the eldest surviving child of Henry George and Mary Bates.  At the age of 5 or 6 he moved, with the rest of the family, to Plymouth, and it was there that he went to school and grew up.  He was 27 when he married, Olinda Rose Wills.  At that time he was a builder's assistant, she a draper's assistant.  Throughout the years his career prospered and in time he became a Director of a reputable firm of building contractors - Wakeham Bros. Ltd. of Friday Yard, Plymouth.


After marrying the couple lived at No. 2 Thornton Avenue, Plymouth.  In 1906 the family moved to 10 Egerton Crescent, Plymouth.  That remained their residence until 1925 when they moved to 65 Mount Gould Road.  According to the local Register of Electors, in 1935 Harry's sister Dorothy and brother Ernest were also living at 65 Mount Gould Road.  They both moved into the house at Mount Gould Road after the death of Harry's wife, Lily, in August 1934.


Harry died, aged 67, in 1941.  He died in hospital during an operation for a fractured skull.  He had been driving around one evening, during the Second World War - Plymouth suffered badly from the 'blitz' - at the time of an air-raid.  He had volunteered to bring in any fitting cases of sufficient urgency in his own car with the object of easing the strain on the overstretched ambulance service.  When he got home he complained of a bad headache.  Sent to hospital, it was discovered that he had experienced a fractured skull and died a day or so later during an operation.  The assumption was that he had been caught up in some of the air-raid activity during the night.


Children of HENRY BATES and OLINDA WILLS are:

51.     i.   HENRY THOMAS ROY9 BATES, b. 1902, Plymouth, Devon, England; d. 14 Oct 1958.

52.    ii.   JOHN DAVID BATES, b. 01 Mar 1904, Plymouth, Devon, England.

        iii.   GERALD BATES, b. c. 1910, Plymouth, Devon, England; d. c. 1910, died an infant.



45.  ARTHUR EDWIN8 BATES (son of HENRY GEORGE 7 [37]) was born 1878 in Newport, Monmouthshire, England, and died 23 Jun 1983 in Hatch End, Middlesex, England.  He married HELEN COMBLY.  She was born c. 1883, and died 23 Jun 1983.


Arthur Bates was the great play mate of his brother, Wyndham when they were young.  By reputation he was a bit of a tearaway.  On one occasion the pair of them set fire to the curtains at 7 Diamond Avenue.  He grew up to be the rebel of the family but he seems to have been viewed kindly by the rest of the family who had a soft spot for him.  He and his wife, Helen (nee Combly) had one daughter, Betty.  She married but remained childless.  Arthur Edwin Bates died at Hatch End, Middlesex.  His wife Helen lived until she was 100 and died on 23 June 1983.  By profession Arthur was a draughtsman, working for many years for Kodak.



         i.   ELIZABETH9 BATES, m. ? HINKS.



46.  GEORGE WYNDHAM8 BATES (son of HENRY GEORGE 7 [37]) was born 26 Apr 1879 in Plymouth, Devon, England, and died 1941 of a tumour in his spine in Purley, Surrey.  He married ROSA BATES MAY.  She was born c. 1880, and died Jul 1972 in Bromley, Kent, England.


George Bates was born at 4 Ensleigh Cottages, Plymouth.  His great boyhood pal in the family was Arthur.  He served with the Royal Flying Corps. (RFC) in the first World War (joining in 1916).  It is interesting to note that this organisation pre-dated the RAF.  Wyndham was attached to the Balloon Section.  Later he became a businessman, involved in importing furnishing fabrics from France, Germany, Holland and Italy.  He was also involved in antiques.  Like many in his family, and his father before him, he was very active in the Church, being Treasurer and Sidesman of his local congregation. 


George was a successful businessman and a much-loved and devoted father.  He traded under the name of Harper and Bates.  When he died, his nephew Stuart Bates, the son of Edward William Bates, bought the trade name and continued to trade in fabrics.


George suffered much for many years as a result of shrapnel in his back, a legacy of the part he had played in active service in the First World War.  He eventually died in 1941 of a tumour in his spine, at his home in Riddlesdown Avenue, Purley, Surrey.


Children of GEORGE BATES and ROSA MAY are:

53.     i.   DOREEN9 BATES, b. 1906; d. 20 Mar 1994.

        ii.   MARGARET ROSE BATES, b. 1910.

She did not marry and entered the medical profession, working as a psychiatric social worker.  She also spent time working at Bromley Hospital, Kent, as a doctor, after retraining.  She still lives in Sevenoaks, Kent.



47.  FRANK SPENCER8 BATES (son of HENRY GEORGE 7 [37]) was born 11 Jan 1881 in Plymouth, Devon, England and birth was registered 15 Feb 1881. He died 1965 in Fishponds, Bristol, England.  He married ALICE GERTRUDE CARTER 09 Aug 1910 in Plumstead, Herts, England, daughter of CHARLES CARTER and SARAH ANSELL.  She was born 02 Apr 1885 in Plumstead, Herts, England and birth was registered 04 May 1885, and died 1965 in Fishponds, Bristol, England.


Frank Spencer Bates - was born at 4 Ensleigh Cottages, Plymouth.  He was the 6th child of Henry George and Mary Spencer Bates and their 4th son.


Frank had a comfortable childhood.  He was part of a large and ever-growing family - he was the 6th of 13 surviving children and was understandably expected to play his part in the smooth running of the Bates household.  His father's career prospered at this time so it is likely that none of the children experienced any form of deprivation.  His was an unexceptional upbringing but it undoubtedly moulded his beliefs and outlook.  He was to become, like his father, a devout member of the Church of England, a firm believer in accepted customs, morals and behaviour, and a committed family man.


After leaving school he went to London to work.  It was there that he met his wife-to-be, Alice Gertrude Carter, the daughter of a Woolwich Arsenal engineer, Charles John Carter.  The couple were married in 1910, Frank being aged 29, his wife aged 25.  At this time she lived at home, 37 Llanover Road, Plumstead, and he lived in lodgings at 55A Moscow Road, Bayswater.  By this time he was a commercial traveller and after their marriage they went straight to Bristol to live at 13 Overndale Road, Downend, Fishponds, Bristol.  They rented the property for 7/6d a week; in 1912 they bought the house for £200.


By then, Frank was employed as the South West representative for an East London firm, H. Barnett and Co.  They made and sold string, rope, hessian and upholstery materials that went into the making of chairs and sofas.  His area covered South Wales as far west as Llanelli and north to include the valleys.  As far as England was concerned, he covered Gloucester and Cheltenham, Worcester, Chippenham, Swindon, Bath, Bristol, all Somerset, North Devon as far as Barnstable and Bideford and South Devon as far as Exeter and Plymouth.  He travelled exclusively by train and his work often necessitated him spending much of the working week away from home.  He was always able to spend weekends at home.  He continued to work for H. Barnett and Co. until he was 80, and I well remember him receiving a splendid, inscribed gold wrist watch to commemorate him having worked for the company for 50 years.


During the First World War he was called up into the army and spent 4 years in Mesopotamia - modern Iraq, during which time he walked the length of the entire country.  He was a devout, church-going man who once stated that had he been single he would have liked to undertake missionary work abroad after his experiences during the First World War.  His Christian faith was a very important part of his life, but, as the war ended in 1918, he was married with two young sons so he knew missionary work was out of the question.  Consequently, he settled down and became very active instead in the life and work of his local church, All Saints, Fishponds.  He became a Sidesman and Superintendent of the All Saints' Sunday School, a position he held for a great number of years.  Apart from his brothers, Percy and Wyndham, he would have been the most spiritual of the Bates family of his generation.


In later life, Frank Spencer did quite a lot of local preaching in Methodist Chapels and led non-conformist Bible classes as well as continuing his work within the Church of England.  He became very open to the fact that the Church of England was not the only church.  He was very devout and not a day went by without he and his wife reading the Bible together and praying.


He was a kind and loving father.  His daughter, Mary, who was responsible for much of this short account of Frank Spencer Bates' life, recalls that she never remembered him losing his temper or sulking and not speaking.  He was cheerful, good-natured with a mischievous sense of humour.  The author, too, recalls these qualities, and remembers him as a very kindly, generous grandfather.  "I remember, also, being fascinated by the fact he was unable to straighten either of his little fingers.  I never knew whether he had been born with these minor handicaps or whether they were the result of some injury".


His life, then, revolved around his three main interests, his family, his work and the church.  He was also very fond of sport, watching Bristol Rugby Football team regularly at Horfield.  He was a keen gardener and maintained an allotment that for years supplied most of the family's vegetable needs.  He was always willing to help others and "go the 2nd mile" to do so.


Alice Gertrude Bates (nee Carter), was born at 38 Llanover Road, Plumstead, Herts.  She was the 4th child of Charles John Carter and Sarah Carter (nee Ansell).  Charles and Sarah had two boys and two girls.  Herbert born 1871, Nellie Elizabeth born 1875, Edward born 1881 and Alice Gertrude born 1885.


When Alice was born her father was aged 43 and her mother was aged 41.  Charles John Carter was a machine tool maker - an engineer - at Woolwich Arsenal and the couple had established a comfortable home for their four children.  It was called 1 Romsey Villa, 37 Llanover Road.  Sarah Carter had originated from Michelmersh in Hampshire, near the large county town of Romsey.


In the early nineteen hundreds Alice met her husband-to-be, Frank Spencer Bates and in 1910 they were married at All Saints Church, Plumstead.  They set up home in Bristol.  Shortly after Mary was born, Alice's father died (c.1921) leaving her mother, Sarah, living alone at 37 Llanover Road.  For the next 6-7 years, until her death in c.1928 Sarah was visited every weekend, alternatively by Alice and her sister, Nellie Elizabeth Hoste (nee Carter) who by this time was married and living in Wrexham.  Sarah's favourite saying was, "Save a thing for 7 years and you'll always find a use for it".  On her death, her home was found to be unbelievably cluttered and full of things she had refused to throw out.


Alice's two brothers, Herbert and Edward, both died in their 20's or 30's of tuberculosis without having married.


Alice's daughter, Mary, relates an interesting story that illustrates something of Alice's natures and character.  "Benny Carter was born to Nellie Carter (Alice's elder sister) before her (Nellie's) marriage to Will Hoste.  My mother always said he was her adopted brother.  In a way he was because Grandma Carter brought him up as one of the family - even though he was Nellie's child.  My mother never told me the truth until a few months before she died.  Grandma Carter never forgave Nellie and cut her out of her Will.  So when she died my mother was left what there was to have - the two boys having both died by this time.  But my mother being the person she was, gave her sister Nellie her share regardless as my mother would never hold anything against her sister."


The author's own personal recollection of Grandma Bates is a somewhat dour yet kindly person. " We certainly knew we had to behave ourselves whenever my sister and I stayed with our parents in 232 Overndale Road.  In later life, she suffered much from arthritis and diabetes, having to have daily insulin injections and these health problems undoubtedly affected her affability.  However, despite her unwillingness to allow me to run riot in her home, I have very fond memories of her, and she always made us very welcome.  I recall, too, many holidays they spent with us on the farm at Treharrock and in Port Isaac.


Her home at 232 Overndale Road left me with indelible memories; the smell of gas in the kitchen; the gas poker used to light the fire every day in the living room; the bagatelle table I always used to make straight for in the dining room; the wind-up toy frog, which was always kept out of reach in the glass cabinet in the drawing room, which I was expressly forbidden to play with unsupervised, and which I broke one Sunday afternoon.  Horror of horrors!  The two-piece telephone in the drawing room on which Grandpa Bates used to talk business; the cupboard under the stairs which acted as an air-raid shelter during the Second World War years...... and so one could go on."


The house in Overndale Road, originally known as No. 13, later as 232, remained the home of Frank and Alice for over 50 years.


Alice and Frank spent the last years of their lives in sheltered accommodation and she died within a fortnight of her husband, having been married for 55 years.  She was 80.  The author's father travelled to Bristol, five years earlier, to celebrate with the rest of the family, his parent's Golden Wedding Anniversary.  Cousin Joyce Nicoll recalls....


"...Frank Spencer was a happy family man, very devout and he held family prayers and Bible readings every Sunday.  Alice, his wife, was charming, hospitable and devout, she was also musical with a sweet singing voice."


Children of FRANK BATES and ALICE CARTER are:

54.     i.   JOHN SPENCER9 BATES, b. 09 Jul 1911, Bristol, England; d. 14 Feb 1950, Sudan.

55.    ii.   STANLEY WILBERFORCE BATES, b. 06 Apr 1915, Bristol, d. 04 Apr 1991, Napa, California, USA.

56.   iii.   MARY KATHLEEN BATES, b. 14 Oct 1920.



48.  EDWARD WILLIAM8 BATES (son of HENRY GEORGE 7 [37]) was born Feb 1888 in Plymouth, Devon, and died 1952.  He married EDITH MAY WELLSPRING 19 Apr 1913 in Alverstoke, Southampton, England. 


Edward William Bates was always known as Teddy.  After obtaining diplomas at the Plymouth City Guilds Institute he obtained a post as a clerk in the office of Wakeham Bros. where his eldest brother, Harry, was a Director.  His work as a builder's clerk kept him in Plymouth until his marriage to Edith May Wellspring.  The wedding took place at Alverstoke Parish Church, Alverstoke, in the County of Southampton.  He was subsequently posted, upon the outbreak of the First World War to Gosport to do war work on contract.  It was there that the couple's only son, Stuart, was born in 1914.  Still on war work, Teddy moved to Amesbury, then on to Dorchester.  His daughter, Joyce was born at Basingstoke in 1920; Heather, the couple's second daughter was born at Reading.  The family remained in Reading for 12 years until the firm he was working for went out of business.  The next move was to the Isle of Wight to work with relatives.  Soon after he obtained a post in Hertford that lasted 2 years.  The next move was to Catford where his life was nearly ended by being blown down the office staircase by a landmine.  This was during the Second World War.  During this time he purchased 19 Pinewood Drive, Orpington.  His final job was at Swanley in Kent where he worked until he died suddenly in 1952.


The family, therefore, because of Teddy's employment, was forced to move about the country a good deal.  In spite of all this, he remained a devoted father and husband, and he was a most contented man.  He loved his wife, children, books, garden and pipe.


His daughter, Joyce recalls, with affection, that he often remembered as a child  being made to wear a velvet suit with a lace collar to church on Sundays.  His sister, Kitty, insisted on this.



57.     i.   STUART JOSEPH SPENCER9 BATES, b. 07 Feb 1914, Gosport, Hants, England; d. 1983.

58.    ii.   DOROTHY JOYCE BATES, b. 1920, Basingstoke, hants, England.

        iii.   HEATHER BATES, b. 1927, Reading, Berks, England; d. 1991.

On leaving school she joined an insurance company, but left after World War II.  She had a great desire to be a writer.  She gained a diploma from an editing course but never succeeded in fulfilling her ambition, though she did have a few stories published.  After a sad love affair, she never married, remaining at the family home at 19 Pinewood Drive, Orpington, all her life.  She nursed her mother during her final illness, and during her own life-time she collected a large library of wide-ranging subjects including Greek Mythology and also a vast number of records.  She was very fond of music, an interest shared with her sister, Joyce.



49.  GERALD CHILDS8 JEEVES (son of HENRY7 JEEVES [39]) was born 1883 in Hitchen, Herts, England.  He married JESSIE STRIPLING.  She was born c. 1888 in London, England.



59.     i.   PETER HENRY9 JEEVES, b. 1919, Lowestoft, Suffolk, England.





Generation No. 9



With such a large family - 13 out of 14 children surviving into mature adulthood - it might have been reasonable to expect that the progeny of Henry George and Mary Spencer Bates would have multiplied to an extent as to create a very large third generation of the family.  On the contrary; somewhat surprisingly only five members of this part of the fourth generation of the Bates family married and produced offspring.  Whilst this limited the extent of the third generation and the potential durability of the family line, it certainly made things a great deal easier for the author!  The five members of the fourth generation of the family to continue the family line were the following, with the ensuing results.


Henry Wilberforce Bates and Olinda Rose Wills who had Henry Thomas Roy, John David and Gerald.  Arthur Edwin Bates and Helen Combly who had Elizabeth.  George Wyndham Bates and Rosa May who had Doreen and Margaret Rose.  Frank Spencer Bates and Alice Gertrude Carter who had John Spencer, Stanley Wilberforce and Mary Kathleen. Edward William Bates and Edith May Wellspring who had Stuart Joseph Spencer, Dorothy Joyce and Heather.


These twelve members of the ninth generation of the Bates family were born into a very different society than the one the previous generation had been born into.  The eldest member of the generation, Henry Thomas Roy Bates, was born in 1902, the youngest, Heather Bates was born in 1927.  By the time this generation was beginning to fade, the twentieth century was nearing its end, and all the even more spectacular changes of the second half of the century which the reader and author alike will be familiar with - for better or for worse - were witnessed by and helped to mould and influence the ninth generation of the Bates family.


The staggering impact of the First and Second World Wars, the technological changes which have accompanied the post-war years, space travel, the Cold War, nuclear power and technology, the communications revolution, information technology and all the various socio-economic and political ramifications of these events, have all served to alter out of all recognition the sort of lives which recent generations of Bates' have experienced.  For the ninth generation of the Bates family these changes were witnessed at first hand.  They were shaped by them and in learning to formulate a response to them they displayed an adaptability to change which would have truly amazed earlier generations.  In addition, the ninth generation were more disseminated both within the realm and abroad, a factor that further set this generation apart from earlier ones.  No longer could the generation gap be easily bridged and inter-family ties be maintained by close physical proximity.  The fragmentation of the wider family was such that identification of close family ties and loyalty became impossible.  It has only been the recent upsurge in interest in family history - some of the reasons for this are examined in the final chapter - which has enabled the most recent generations of the family to be brought together, if only in the somewhat artificial sense of an interest in genealogy and the communication of the results of the researches involved in this to members of the family.


However, despite these observations, the ninth generation of the Bates family provides us with some of the most fascinating lives which research into the Bates line has revealed. 



50.         ROSEMARY10 WEBB (dau. of EDNA9 COOK [43]) was born 1944.  She married MICK DAY. 


Children of ROSEMARY WEBB and MICK DAY are:

                i.   KATE11 DAY.

60.    ii.   JOHN DAY.



51.  HENRY THOMAS ROY9 BATES (son of HENRY WILBERFORCE8 [44]) was born 1902 in Plymouth, Devon, England, and died 14 Oct 1958.  He married KATHLEEN WILMOT 1930 in Plymouth, Devon, England.  She was born c. 1903, and died 14 Dec 1994.


Known as Roy, he was born in 1902 and in 1930 married Kathleen Wilmot.  The couple had three children, all boys, called Anthony, Roger and Martin.  Roy had a very successful career in local government in the UK.  He eventually became Chief Accountant for the Ministry of Town and Country Planning.  He died, suddenly, in 1958 only a few months after his final promotion.


Roy did very well at school and after matriculating he went first to Plymouth Technical College and then got a scholarship to the Royal College of Science in London.  He graduated with a B.Sc. having specialised in agricultural science.  His intention then was to try for a post in the Sudan but this was at a time when returned servicemen from World War I were given preference in such appointments.  So, as time was going on and money running out he sat successfully for a Civil Service examination and was appointed Assistant District Auditor in whatever Ministry at that time looked after Local Government in the U.K.  In 1958, only a few months before his death on 14 October, he reached the top of his Department and became Chief Auditor.



                i.   HENRY GERALD ANTHONY10 BATES, b. 20 Jun 1932.

Now retired and living in Bere Regis, Dorset, Anthony is a former consultant metallurgist.  He graduated in 1954 with a BSc. Degree in Metallurgy from the University of Wales.

 After National Service he started his career in Leicester, then in the mid-sixties spent 4 years working in Australia.  He returned in 1970 to a job concerned with nuclear power development in Dorset (Winfrith Technology Centre).  When the project finished in the late 70's he returned to working as a consultant, giving advice to companies and engineers concerning the strength of metals in design and cause of failures - working with a small company in Poole.

 Amongst his keenest interests is wildlife conservation and he is Chairman of the Dorset Trust for Nature Conservation.  His mother, with whom he lived, died on 14 December 1994 in her 91st year.

               ii.   ROGER BATES, b. 20 Feb 1938.

Roger Bates was born on 20 February 1938, the second of 3 sons born to Roy and Kathleen Bates.  He joined the RAF, trained at Cranwell and he took an Aeronautical degree from Cambridge and eventually reached the position of Wing Commander.  He left the RAF in 1978.  In 1985 he branched out to become a Senior Executive with British Aerospace, stationed in Saudi Arabia.  His team give advice to the Saudis on their defence systems.  He was out there during the Gulf War and tells interesting tales about 'Scud' missiles.  He is also not married, has a house in Bere Regis and manages to get back on leave for a few days every 4 months.

61.   iii.   MARTIN BATES, b. 05 May 1939.



52.  JOHN DAVID9 BATES (son of HENRY WILBERFORCE8 [44]) was born 01 Mar 1904 in Plymouth, Devon, England.  He married PHYLLIS HELEN MULLER 23 Jun 1930 in Sydney, Australia, daughter of Oscar Rudolph Percy Muller of Sydney, Australia.


John (Jack) David Bates, became in his life time the most celebrated member of the Bates family in modern times.  John, who was always known as Jack, was born on 01 March 1904.


He was educated at Plymouth Grammar School and on leaving he got a job working for Thomas Cook in Plymouth.  Through this connection he obtained a position with the Orient Shipping Line.  He travelled extensively in this capacity and eventually settled in Melbourne, Australia where he continued to work for the Oriental Steam Navigation Company.  In 1930 he married Phyllis, the daughter of a Sydney doctor, Oscar Rudolph Percy Muller.  They had one child, David Michael John Bates, born on 19 August 1932.  In 1932 Jack joined the Royal Australian Navy Volunteer Reserves and was called up when war broke out.  He spent a considerable period up to 1943 posted in England.  In May of that year he was recalled to Australia and spent the rest of the war helping to run an organisation called the Far Eastern Liaison Office, operating in New Guinea, on jobs similar to Special Operations in Europe.


After the war, he returned to work for the Orient Line.  In 1952 he was posted to the USA to launch a new passenger ship service between Sydney and San Francisco and in 1954 he was appointed the General Manager of the Orient Line in Australia.  He retired from the company in 1963.  His considerable involvement in public life led to the award of a CBE in 1962 and in 1969 a Knighthood was bestowed on him.  Company and public commitments resulted in a life of much travel. 


Sir Jack and Phyllis spent their retirement in Cherrybrook, New South Wales until their deaths in 1992 and 1991 respectively.  Phyllis Bates died in July 1991 aged 87 and Sir Jack died the following March aged 88.


Sir Jack Bates' entry in the Australian Who's Who makes interesting reading and indicates the extent of his involvement in public life in Australia.  The culmination of his life of public service was his appointment in 1970 as Australian Consul-General in New York.  He relinquished his post in July 1973.


In 1976 and 1977 Sir Jack Bates wrote two letters to a cousin, Mrs Liz Longhurst, which does far more than anything the author could achieve to illuminate his life and achievements. The author is indebted to her for providing him with photocopies of these letters and also for furnishing him with other details of our family.


4/22 Etham Avenue

                                               Darling Point

                                                                     NSW 2027

                                                               30th January 1976


Dear Mrs Longhurst, (or perhaps you'll allow me to call you Cousin Liz in view of my relationship to your husband).


I am decidedly interested in your investigations.  Amongst other reasons I have long intended to do something of the sort myself.  Whilst I was waiting for the grant of arms which I applied for after being Knighted, to be approved, the College of Arms suggested they would like to record in their pedigree register a short pedigree of my family from my grandparents to my grandchildren.  This cropped up during my terms of office in New York and I didn't get around to furnishing the details they wanted at the time.  Subsequently I got them from my Aunt Dorothy, my Father's youngest sister and the only surviving child of the fourteen born to Mary Spencer Longhurst - my paternal grandmother.  In case they may be of interest I shall attach a copy of the details required by the College of Arms.


In response to your request for reminiscences of my early life in Plymouth, let me first say that I recall my Father speaking frequently during that time of his cousin, Harry Longhurst who he said was a great rifle shot - well known at Bisley and all that!  I take it he would have been your husband's Father?


As you have no doubt discovered from Who's Who, I was born on March 1st 1904, the second son of Henry Wilberforce Bates and Olinda Rose Wills.  My Father was the eldest child of the fourteen mentioned in your chart as the progeny of Mary Longhurst and Henry George Bates.


I had an elder brother - Henry Thomas Roy and a younger brother Gerald who died in infancy, probably around 1910 or perhaps earlier.  Roy was a very responsible person and as I was his junior by two years, he took a close interest in my progress and welfare.  When we were both at the local council primary school together he not infrequently intervened to stop me getting into fights and he tried, without much success, to make me take my school work more seriously.  We were a happy family in my recollection, despite very little money and from 1914 to 1918 severe war shortages which my mother overcame with splendid culinary improvisations.  We boys helped my Father grow magnificent vegetables on one of the allotments allocated for the purpose by the local Council.  However much our elders worried about those tragic days, we - as I recollect - had a lot of fun.


I still remember with a sense of awe the prodigious Christmas dinners the family consumed.  My Father, as the eldest, invited as a matter of course such of his brothers and sisters still living with their parents near us in Plymouth, to come for mid-day Christmas dinner.  To this assemblage, which of course included my Bates Grandparents, there also came my Mother's parents and often her brother and his wife.  So there were usually fourteen or fifteen for dinner on Christmas day.  I know we always had an improvised "junior table".  Whilst not missing out on our own share of the turkey and chicken and ham which always seemed to be there, we kids used to watch with awe our elders' intake.  The washing up afterwards was tackled by the womenfolk and my brother and I were pressed into service if we were stupid enough to stick around.  The men snoozed.  Then about 5 pm. a breeze seemed to blow through the house and we all put our coats on and solemnly walked in procession to my grandparents' for supper where the whole thing happened again.  This time the feast was a cold one.


Roy did very well at school and after matriculating he went first to Plymouth Technical College and then got a scholarship to the Royal College of Science in London.  He graduated with a B.Sc. having specialised in agricultural science.  His intention then was to try for a post in the Sudan but this was at a time when returned servicemen from World War I were given preference in such appointments.  So, as time was going on and money running out he sat successfully for a Civil Service examination and was appointed Assistant District Auditor in whatever Ministry at that time looked after Local Government in the U.K.  In 1958, only a few months before his death on 14th October, he reached the top of his Department and became Chief Auditor.


I myself, I'm sorry to say, was never academically inclined and when in 1920 the local Great Western Railway manager came to school looking for a junior clerk I was put forward and accepted.  I had recently passed the Senior Oxford exam. But failed to matriculate.  I lasted about a year with the Railway at Devonport Goods Station.  It was a dull and boring job and even then I had an urge to travel.  So I applied for and got a job with Thos. Cook and Son, tourist agents.  I worked in the Plymouth Office for a year or so and was then transferred to Head Office in London.  This, I felt, was in the right direction and I was given some Continental experience which assuaged some of my travel fever.  But in 1925 I felt I wanted to enjoy travel myself rather than to go on selling it.


So I applied to the Cunard Line and simultaneously to the Orient Line for appointment as an Assistant Purser.


Cunard, (despite - or rather because their current Chairman was Sir Percy Bates), ignored my application.  Orient - according to their delightful reply, which I still have amongst my records, said the qualifications for the position were:-

Good education and address

Good parentage

Efficiency in typewriting

They went on that if I considered that I conformed to these requirements I was at liberty to call on the undersigned.....


So I became an A.P. and sailed from Tilbury in November 1925 in ORAMA.  The next few years were spent on the mail run between the U.K. and Australia.  On one voyage I met Phyllis Helen Muller and her family.  We became engaged in 1928 and a life at sea declined dramatically in attraction.  I had always enjoyed what little I had seen of Australia so I had the bright idea of bearding the then General Manager of the Company and asking for a shore job in Australia.  He was non-commital, but to my surprise on my return to London I was sent for by the Board and told that if I wanted it a shore job with the Company in Australia was there for me.  That was in December 1928 and I signed on articles in the next sailing for passage to Sydney.  On 13 January 1929 I signed off OSTERLEY and began work in the passenger department of Orient Line, Sydney.  We were married on 23 June 1930 and Phyl returned with me to Brisbane where by then I was working. Twenty five years later I succeeded Lieut.General Sir Leslie Morshead (a Citizen soldier of Tobruk fame), as General Manager in Australia of Orient Line.  When we integrated fully with P. & O. in 1960 I became Deputy Chairman of the newly formed Australian Company.  I retired in 1967.  I had joined the R.A.N.V.R. in 1932 and served throughout World War II in that service.  In 1962 I was given a C.B.E. for services to the Community.  This mainly referred to my work in bringing together as Federal President the six State Branches of the Navy League, (of UK) and creating the present Navy League of Australia; and my services as Chairman from 1956-1967 of the Honorary Board of the Australian National Travel Association which from 1926 to 1967 carried out similar work for Australia as did the British Travel Association for the U.K.  When the Government decided in 1967 to undertake full responsibility for officially publicising Australia in overseas countries, the present Australian Tourist Commission was formed as a Statutory Authority and I agreed to act as Chairman for the first two formative years. In 1969 I retired for the second time from the Travel Industry and I was Knighted in the Queen's Birthday Honours that year.


A year later the Government called me up and invited me to go to New York as Australian Consul-General there for three years.  This wasn't an easy decision to make at our age and Phyl and I did a lot of heart searching before concluding that we couldn't bear to turn down such a stimulating opportunity.  We went in August 1970.  We worked as hard as we had ever done throughout our married life; we travelled through the twenty-one States in my area of Consular responsibility; and now we can honestly say we wouldn't have missed it for worlds.


Our son David Michael John was born in Brisbane on 19 August 1932.  Regrettably we had no other children but David has done better.  He married on 27 September 1958, Enid Betty Hope-Johnstone whose family settled in Tasmania about the middle of the 19th Century.  She was born on 9 December 1930.  They have three sons - Nicholas David, born 17 July 1959; Timothy John born 5 June 1962 and Andrew born 21 July 1965.  David and his family live near Hobart in Tasmania where he is the State Manager of an Engineering firm that manufactures and distributes heavy earth moving and other similar equipment.


Returning to my brother, he had three sons too.  The eldest, Antony (Henry Gerald Antony), born 20 June 1932 is of course now head of our family.  His two brothers, Martin and Roger were born at, I think, two year intervals thereafter.  Antony is a metallurgist and he graduated at the University of Wales.  He is unmarried.  Martin is a language man.  He graduated at Pembroke College, Oxford and has been teaching English in many countries as diverse as Argentina, Turkey and Iran.  He was recently commissioned by Longmans the publishers to write a book on modern methods of teaching English - especially to the Arabs.  At the end of last year he was in Saudi Arabia getting the Saudis organised to learn English.  Martin married some four years ago.  Roger entered the R.A.F. College at Cranwell and whilst graduating he took an aeronautical engineering degree at Cambridge.  He is a permanent service R.A.F. officer and was recently promoted Wing Commander.  So, as you see, they have all done pretty well.


I'm glad you were in touch with Stuart Bates.  He is really at the moment the focal point of the family in England - my nephews being rather too itinerant to act as a firm base.


I hope this rather rambling discourse has given you some help towards your Object  1 - to discover the descendants of Ebenezer and Mary Longhurst.  I am afraid I cannot offer much help towards discovering the direct ancestors of those two.  I have some notes my Father left but only concerning the Bates side of the family.


I am afraid much of this may be rather wide of your particular objective - but you asked for it!  When you ask an old boy to reminisce - this is what happens so be warned!


I must say I have enjoyed these recollections - it helps to get us all in a better perspective.


You will have noted that we have changed our address.  Wahroonga is what we call a North Shore suburb and we found it rather too far for convenience from Sydney and the Eastern Suburbs where we spent many years of our time in Sydney.


Again, thank you for your interest and for writing so fully.  My apologies for typing this reply but you would have had some difficulty in deciphering my writing.


With all good wishes  


John Bates



18, Southern Cross Gardens

                                                                                 2 Spruson Street

                                                       NEUTRAL BAY

                                                       NSW 2089

                                                       27th August 1977


Dear Cousin Liz,


I am astonished and ashamed to find it is more than 12 months since I received your letter.  I apologise for the delay in sending this acknowledgement.  I blame it on several events but one in particular.  My difficulty with stairs was accentuated when I had my other hip done last year so we decided to try and sell our Unit (flat) at Darling Point and look for another.  We found this place after a five month search and moved over to this side of the Harbour late in May.  The big advantage is that here the garage and front door are on the same level and only yards apart.  So, no stairs to negotiate.


You asked me to write more reminiscences.  Well, you asked for it, as some of our T.V. programmes say.


A number of events stand out clearly on the rather muddled canvas of my youthful recollections.  When I was about 6 King Edward VII died and I remember vividly being awakened by my Father and told of this in such a solemn tone that I was filled with awe and no doubt thereupon became a monarchist.  The coronation of George V which followed gave rise to my first public appearance.  I was selected with another boy to raise the Union Jack in the school grounds on Coronation Day with parents and teachers all about.  The reason for my selection was undoubtedly because my fond parents (due to the influence of my Naval Grandfather), had a habit of dressing me at that time in a sailor suit, a practice to which I soon afterwards took strong exception.


With my mind still on maritime affairs, one of my happiest recollections was sailing with Grandfather Tom Wills.  He had retired and possessed a small open boat, about a 20 footer I suppose.  She was yawl rigged so the mizzen mast was stepped abaft the rudder post.  My grandmother - not an enthusiastic sailor - always declined to sail unless the mizzen sail was raised.  She said it steadied the boat.  So the sail was thereafter called the Sara-Ann sail after Grandmother Sara-Ann.  I still experience in retrospect on warm summer days the joy of leaning over the gunwale of that small boat and trailing my fingers in the waters of Plymouth Sound with the boat heeling over in the strong breeze.


I told you of our traditional Christmas dinners.  Easter too has gastronomical echoes which tend even today to make me drool.  I can smell the rich ripe scent of freshly baked hot cross buns which my brother and I were required to fetch on our bikes on Good Friday mornings from the Plympton bakery - about 2 miles out of Plymouth.  We always made good time coming home.


Dartmoor has always drawn me since I was a very small boy.  For years our summer holiday was spent on some farm at one of the many spots on the edge of Dartmoor.  I recall holidays at Yelverton, Dousland, Meavy, Horrabridge (where I saw my first chicken beheaded - and ran into the midden in my distress).  Further north I remember staying at Marytavy, Petertavy, Lydford and Bridestowe.  From these lovely places we walked Dartmoor, scrambling up the Tors, avoiding bogs or not according to the weather, eating hugely among the bracken and the wortleberries.  When I was approaching my teens our walks took on a firm objective - a Tor or a river source, a Kistvaen, a tumulus or A HUT CIRCLE.  Especially, Cranmere Pool was an adventure always.  Cranmere is the centre point of Dartmoor where the Dart, the Teign, the Tavy, the East and West Okement and the Taw all have their beginnings.  At Cranmere there was, (?is), a post box which you were expected to clear and post on your return to civilised places; and of course you would leave your own postcards for the next venturer to clear and re-post.  Once we addressed a card to ourselves and received it three months later with a Rumanian stamp on it.


Dartmoor brings to mind a splendid paper chase in which I took part at the age of about 12.  I was one of the hares.  We set a course up the valley of the Plym to Plymbridge, then along the path by the Lee moor tramway to the China Clay works at Fernhill on the Tory brook.  From there we struck across Shaugh Moor to Shaugh Prior by which time we were still ahead of the hounds but had about had it.  So we waited in the sun, cooling our feet in the shallows of the Plym until the hounds arrived.  So far we must have run at least 9 miles so we all went on resting until the sun dropped and the shadows covered the ground.  From Shaugh we moved back to Bickleigh and wearily took the road across Bickleigh Down to Roborough on the main road into Plymouth.  It was by this time dark and starry and we were tired so we thumbed a ride on a cart  which came along.  The driver said we could go with him as far as Mutley Plain where we could disperse to our several homes.  On climbing aboard we made a belated discovery that we had company in the shape of three or four large fat pigs.  My parents were worried enough by this time to be sending out search parties and the stink of the prodigal son's arrival home must have been terrific; but I have no recollection of punishment - only of steak and kidney pie and bed.


I'm afraid I must be boring you with these rather senile reminiscences but, as I said earlier, you asked for it. 


To conclude on a rather more mature recollection.  My father took us one night in 1919 to the Guildhall Square to hear the declaration of the poll at which Lady Astor became the first woman MP.  Thirtynine years later on March 20th 1958 my wife and I met the formerly talkative member in the Captain's cabin on board "Queen Elizabeth" out of New York for Southampton.  Lady Astor was not particularly interested in the fact that I had been one of some thousands who cheered her in 1919 or that Father had been a strong supporter.


I must say your daily programme sounds more than filled with Quaker meetings, conservation matters, Playgroup and music not to mention normal 'home duties' and husband Bill.  Tell him I understand his position!


I do hope I haven't bored you too much - I always find it fun to think back and recall the nice things I have been lucky enough to experience.


With all good wishes

Yours, John Bates




BATES, Sir John David, Kt.cr.1969, C.B.E. 1962, V.R.D.; Former Consul-General of Australia in New York; son of H.W. Bates; b. Mar 1, 1904; ed. Plymouth Grammar School; Dir. Perpetual Trustee Co. 1967-79; Australia - Netherlands Holding Ltd. and Associated Cos. 1967-74; Chrmn. Australia Tourist Commission, 1967-69; Member Export Dev. Cl. 1962-67; Trustee Art Gallery NSW 1962-70; Dep. Chrm. P. and O. Orient Lines of Australia Pty. Ltd. 1960-67; Chrmn. Hon. Bd. Aust-Nat. Travel Assn. 1956-67; Gen. Mgr. in Australia Orient Steam Navigation Co. Ltd. 1954-60; Dep. Div. Far East Liaison Office (Propoganda Warfare) Brisb. Morotai, Borneo, 1943-45; Staff N.L.O. Lon. 1940-43; Navy Office Melb. 1939-40; R.A.N.V.R. Cmdr. 1932; m. June 23, 1930, Phyllis, d. O.R.P. Muller, 1 s; recreations: walking, reading; club: Union (Syd); address: 23 The Lakes, 10 Kenburn Avenue, Cherrybrook, NSW 2120.




Sir John Bates 1904-1992

The founding Chairman of the Australian Tourist Commission and former Consul-General to New York, Sir John David Bates died on Saturday, aged 88.

Sir John, who was knighted for his services to tourism, started life as a clerk in the offices of Thomas Cook Travel in his home town of Plymouth in England.

He escaped to sea at 21 and worked as a Purser for the Orient Shipping Line that brought him to Australia for the first time.

He met his wife Phyllis when she travelled from Australia to England.  They married in Sydney and Sir John rose to become the Australian General Manager for Orient and, following its merger with P and O, Deputy Chairman of P&O Orient Lines of Australia.

After World War II, where he was on the staff of the Naval Liaison and Far Eastern Liaison offices, he was credited with transforming P&O from a mainly passenger carrying operation into a major cruise line.

Sir John was Chairman of the Australian National Travel Association from 1956 to 1967.  In 1967 this voluntary organisation became the Australian Tourist Commission and Sir John became its first Chairman.  At a testimonial dinner in 1969 he was hailed as the "father of tourism in Australia".

He was knighted in 1969 and appointed Consul-General to New York in 1970.

He is survived by his son, David, and three grandchildren.


      Child of JOHN BATES and PHYLLIS MULLER is:

62.     i.   DAVID MICHAEL JOHN10 BATES, b. 19 Aug 1932, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia; d. 17 Jul 1999, Cherrybrook, NSW, Australia.



53.  DOREEN9 BATES (son of GEORGE WYNDHAM8 [46]) was born 1906, and died 20 Mar 1994.  She met WILLIAM EVANS.  He was born 17 Jul 1893, and died 1974.


On April 17th 1996 the author received a letter from Doreen's daughter, Margaret, which provided him with information about her, and her mother's life, and perhaps it is appropriate to quote at length from this letter.  She wrote:


"My father's name was William Alfred Evans.  He was born on 17 July 1893 and died aged 81 in 1974....  My parents were not married.  When my mother met my father when they were both working in the Inland Revenue my father was already married.  Having become very fond of each other and my father being unwilling to divorce his wife because he felt sorry for her (they were childless), my mother decided to have a child, though unmarried, and hoped my father would take an interest in it even though he would not commit himself to leaving his wife.  In the event it turned out that the baby was, in fact, twins, undiagnosed until birth!  After the turmoil of the war, when we were evacuated from London with a nanny, and for part of the time, our maternal grandmother, Rosa, we settled into a pattern of life in which our father - whom we called Bill, joined us every other weekend with Rosa and Margot.  We had a live-in nanny/housekeeper until we were about 9.  The period leading up to our birth and childhood were all described in detail in a diary that Doreen kept from about the age of 24 until she was about 80!  We knew about this diary but she told us to wait to read it until after she died, and it makes a very special sort of legacy because it brings her back so vividly.  My father and she were devoted to each other and that was the strength that underpinned what was otherwise a very unorthodox childhood for myself and my brother, Andrew.  Of course, there were great difficulties for Doreen in being a single mother in those days, but Bill's deep involvement in and affection for us and tremendous support from Margot, helped.  Rosa, too, played an important part in our lives.  However, we were never introduced to any of my father's family and remained unknown about by them until he died.  After that I met a cousin and he wrote a letter to me with quite a lot of information about his side of the family, and my father has a sister, Elsie, whom my mother knew quite well and who is still living in Sevenoaks, near Margot.  We have met her several times since my father died.  On only a couple of occasions I met my father's wife, Kathleen, a ballet teacher.  I think she took some interest in us from a distance and she used to send me red ballet shoes on my birthday which I was told were from an Aunt!"


Doreen's actions and life as a working, unmarried mother would, ironically, raise few eyebrows now though no doubt at the time her actions must have necessitated a great deal of courage, flying as they did in the face of custom and contemporary morality.   Perhaps Doreen's other great legacy, aside from her diary, was being in the vanguard of feminism, women's liberation and the equality of the sexes.



63.     i.   ANDREW10 EVANS, b. 1941.

64.    ii.   MARGARET EVANS, b. 1941.



54.  JOHN SPENCER9 BATES (son of FRANK SPENCER 8 [47]) was born 09 Jul 1911 in Bristol, England, and died 14 Feb 1950 in Sudan.  He married MARGARET ANNIE HARWOOD 10 Sep 1938, daughter of CHARLES HARWOOD and BEATRICE ROSE.  She was born 09 Jun 1912, and died 13 Dec 1972.


The following account was related to the author by my Auntie Mary, John's sister.

"John was educated at Staple Hill Council School until he was 11 when he won a scholarship to Colston Boys' Boarding School, Stapleton, Bristol.  Even though we lived so near he still went there as a boarder.  He was 9 years and 4 months older than me so my earliest recollections of him were when I was a little girl of 5.  He had longer school holidays than I did at Manor Road Infants School, Fishponds, and to me he was my BIG brother and I worshipped him.  He used to come in his holidays on his bike and meet me from school.  I remember riding on the cross-bar of his bike - no such laws then against it.  John was a model son to Mother and Dad.  At home he was neat and tidy, quiet, gentle and thoughtful.  Sunday mornings he would get up and put the kettle on, always made his own bed etc.  Whatever he did, he did well.  He excelled at school and did well.  He learnt the piano and became an excellent pianist.  Among my earliest recollections of him were listening to him on the piano.  When he was at home, he would spend hours playing Beethoven, Bach etc.  I can see him now sitting at the piano in the middle room.  I used to creep in sometimes just so that I could be near him and watch him.  Sunday was a real treat because the Colston boys were allowed out for a walk after dinner.  The rule was that they were not supposed to cross the river at Snuff Mills but he and his friend used to come home and I remember eating my Sunday dinner and rushing upstairs and sitting in the back bedroom by the window watching for them coming across what was then the market gardens!  When he reached the 6th form he became a Prefect and so he refused then to break school rules.  He said he must set a good example.  He continued to do well and gained the Higher School Certificate - the equivalent of today's 'A' levels.


He then went on to Bristol University and whilst there he lived at home.  Exactly when he became a Christian I don't know.  He had, while he was at school, a desire to know God and to follow Him, so it could have been through the Inter-Varsity Christian Union that he came into a personal faith in the Lord as his Saviour.  During his university career he spent several summers working on a farm in Norfolk.  He used to be a good cyclist and cycled there from Bristol.  It was on one of these trips he stayed with Margaret and her parents in Reading.  They were friends of Mother and Dad.  So began his friendship with Margaret.  Also during his holidays he would spend some of his time helping the C.S.S.M. (Children's Special Service Mission).  They used to hold Easter house parties for school children and beach missions in August.  He was already beginning to feel a call to some form of full-time Christian work.  After 4 years he obtained a B.Sc. degree.  I remember he was good at maths and also botany.  Exactly what he did for his degree I'm not too sure.  But after his degree he did a year's research.  I remember him going to Brean Down at Weston-s-Mare looking for a Rock Rose, I think - a rare plant that only grew in two places in the country and Brean was one of them!  Then he decided to do a year and get his teaching diploma.  He could do this, still at Bristol University.  After obtaining his teaching diploma he went to Nottingham and for three years was Science and Maths Master at Mundella Grammar School.  While he was there he and Margaret became engaged.  She was teaching by then - where I don't know.


After applying, successfully, to the Church Missionary Society, they were married on 10th September 1938 and sailed soon after for southern Sudan.  They should have come home after 21/2 years but by then the war was on and they did not get home until 1945 - I think it was.  Paul was born on January 1, 1940, Jean on October 14, 1941 and Elizabeth on January 28, 1944.  Paul and Jean were born in Abba in what was the Belgian Congo.  Elizabeth was born at Nairobi in Kenya.  During his first furlough, John did a term at theological college in Oxford because he had decided to be ordained into the Church of England ministry.  They returned to the Sudan leaving Paul at C.M.S. Boarding School in Surrey somewhere.  Two and half years later they returned to England for another furlough.  During this time John did another term at Oxford at the theological college.  I think he was ordained as a full priest of the Church of England before he returned to the Sudan.  This time he returned there alone, intending to stay for two years only and then return to England and become a vicar.  During this time Margaret had a flat in Leicester - top floor of a vicarage - and made a home for the children including Paul who had left the C.M.S. school.  Sadly, during this time, John died of peritonitis - he had been away a year - so Margaret decided to send all three children to boarding school through the clergy orphans' fund.  Paul went to St Edmunds in Canterbury, Jean and Elizabeth to St Margaret, Bushey, Herts.  Margaret returned to teaching.


One other thing about John - he learnt the organ and was quite proficient.  He also could sing and belonged to the Bristol Choral Society.  When he was at Nottingham he used to play the organ at a big concert hall there for the school speech days!  Also during his time at university while living at home he was very active at All Saints Church, Fishponds.  He used to run a mid-week meeting for children and organise children's mission weeks."


The Bates children, of whom John was the eldest, are fondly remembered by their first cousin, Joyce - daughter of Edward William Bates.  She writes....

"I spent some lovely holidays with them all remembering especially John, their eldest son, when he was home from university.  He had a very lively and bright personality and liked practical jokes.  He was an excellent piano and organ player and we played piano duets."



65.     i.   PAUL SPENCER10 BATES, b. 01 Jan 1940, Abba, Belgian Congo; d. 29 May 2006, Brussels, Belgium.

66.    ii.   JEAN BATES, b. 14 Oct 1941, Abba, Belgian Congo.

67.   iii.   ELIZABETH BATES, b. 28 Jan 1944, Nairobi, Kenya.



55.  STANLEY WILBERFORCE9 BATES (son of FRANK SPENCER 8 [47]) was born 06 Apr 1915 in Bristol, England, and died 04 Apr 1991 in Napa, California, USA.  He married MARJORIE TATLOW 23 Mar 1940 in Bristol, England, daughter of THOMAS TATLOW and MABEL JONES.  She was born 30 Mar 1916 in Derby, England, and died 17 Nov 2004 in Napa, California, USA.


Stanley Wilberforce Bates, the author's father, was born, at home - 13 Overndale Road, Downend, Fishponds, Bristol, on 6 April, 1915 at 5.00am The family home became redesignated 232 Overndale Road, Fishponds, Bristol, as this part of Bristol expanded between the wars.  He was christened Stanley Wilberforce and he inherited his middle name from his Uncle Harry - his father's eldest brother.  His birth was registered on 17 April 1915.  His mother and father were aged 31 and 34 respectively, when Stanley was born.  His father worked as a commercial traveller and his mother, as was usual at that time, was a full-time mother and housewife.


As a young boy, Stanley was taken to visit his grandparents quite regularly.  His paternal grandparents lived in Plymouth and his maternal grandparents lived in London.  Aged about 8, he went with his mother to the Wembley Exhibition and stayed with his grandmother.  It was during the school holidays and whilst there he caught measles!  His mother visited his grandmother, Sarah Carter, at the family home once a fortnight after the death of his grandfather, Charles John Carter in 1921.  So Stanley occasionally had the opportunity of going to London by train.  The return excursion fare cost 6 shilling and 6 pence (6/6d) from Temple Meads to Paddington - 4/6d if a later train was taken!  On another occasion, in 1931, he visited his Uncle Percy in Leamington Spa.  He was vicar of St. Mary's and whilst there, Stanley was taken to watch a rugby match at Coventry.  Uncle Percy gave him 2/6d to buy breakfast on the train on the way home to Bristol.


The Bates' were a deeply religious family, belonging to the Church of England in which Frank Spencer was both a warden and Sunday School teacher at All Saint's Church, Fishponds.  All the family, including Stanley, his elder brother John and younger sister Mary, attended church.  This early religious influence was to play an important part in his later life.


By the time Stanley was born in 1915, the family was beginning to establish itself economically and socially.  Previously they had rented their home for 7/6d a week.  In 1912 it was purchased for £200.  It was a typical, spacious - if a little gloomy by modern standards - late Victorian suburban terraced house with a small front garden and a large rear garden that contained enough space for a small lawn and a large vegetable plot.  A lane ran along the bottom of the garden.  His early childhood was unremarkable, probably quite typical of the generation and full of normal boyhood activities.  His home provided him with a tight-knit, devout, middle-class, loving environment for him to grow up in.


At the age of 11, Stanley passed the entrance examination and began to attend a local grammar school, Fairfield Grammar School.  His sporting interests, especially cricket and rugby football developed at this stage.  He played both to a moderately high standard, playing both for his school, and later on, at club level.  He did well, academically, at school as well.  He achieved a high enough standard in his matriculation examination to go on to university, but the family could only afford to send the eldest son, John, to Bristol University.  So Stanley left school at 16 and obtained a clerical position in the City of Bristol.


His social life flourished at this time, centring as it did on his twin passions of rugby and cricket.  He met his future wife, Marjorie Tatlow, in Downend in 1932.  After a long friendship that eventually flourished into courtship, the couple married on 23 March 1940 at Christ Church, Downend, Bristol.


Throughout the duration of the Second World War, Stanley served first in the Royal Navy and later in the Merchant Navy.  In consequence, he travelled widely, to South America (Rio de Janeiro being one of his favourite places), North America, Africa and parts of Asia.  For the duration of the war, Marjorie lived with her parents, and after peace was declared and Stanley rejoined "civvy-street" Marjorie continued to live at 34 Croomes Hill, Downend while Stanley embarked on a year's course at Woodbastwick Agricultural College in Norfolk.  On 18 July, 1945 their eldest child, Elizabeth Teresa was born, followed on 1 April 1947 by their second child, Peter John.  After qualifying from agricultural college, he obtained a job on a farm at Broadhembury in South Devon.  Before long the family moved to Timsbury, near Andover in Hampshire, where Stanley worked as a herdsman helping to look after a large herd of dairy cows on a farm which was part of a large country estate owned by Lord Newton.  In 1952, the family moved again, this time to North Cornwall where Stanley became the Manager of a 240 acre dairy farm known as Treharrock Manor Farm.  Within 5 years, his life took another abrupt turn as he and his wife acquired, first by renting, then by buying for £4,500, a small guest-house in nearby Port Isaac. Corestin Guest House was to become both their home and their sole means of income for the next 25 years.  It was run as a Christian Guest House in line with a religious conversion both he and his wife experienced in 1956.


After a long, successful and immensely rewarding period as hotelier and "mine host" between 1956 and 1982, the business was sold in the spring of 1982 and the couple moved to Napa in California, USA.  Stanley and his wife had spent several holidays there, out of season, staying with their daughter, Teresa and son-in-law Rich. Teresa had emigrated to California in 1970. They settled in Napa to enjoy a long and happy retirement. The climate, the way of life and the warm friendships they made, especially in the church, all contributed to the couple's contentment.  They worshipped at the Church of Marin and travelled 35 miles one-way every Sunday to services at the church.  They travelled widely, revisiting Great Britain from time to time and welcoming old and new friends to their new home.  Stanley, with his wife Marjorie, enjoyed keeping their garden the most colourful in the neighbourhood.  They also enjoyed camping in the warm, Californian climate, with Clear Lake in Northern California, Death Valley and Lake Mead being their favourite places to visit.  They both became involved in the social life of the community, volunteering, for example, to deliver meals for elderly people in the "Meals on Wheels Program".  They narrowly missed becoming victims of the San Francisco earthquake in 1989 and both appeared on British television describing their experiences of the earthquake at San Francisco airport.  In March 1990 the couple celebrated their Golden Wedding Anniversary.  In early 1991 Stanley became ill and died in the Queen Valley Hospital, Napa on 4 April 1991.  He was two days short of his 76th birthday.



                i.   ELIZABETH TERESA10 BATES, b. 18 Jul 1945, Bristol, England; m. RICHARD CHARLES MATTA, 19 Aug 1972, Gardnerville, Nevada, USA.

Elizabeth's early childhood was spent between Broadhembury, South Devon, Timsbury, Hampshire and Pendoggett, North Cornwall.  By 1959 the family had moved to nearby Port Isaac, from where Teresa continued to attend Sir James Smith's Grammar School, Camelford.  She attended school there from 1956-1963.  After sitting her 'A' level examinations she worked for a year in Dingles, a large department store in Plymouth.  Dingles had taken over Pophams, the firm her Great Grandfather had been employed by for 30 years in the previous century.  In 1964 she went to Strathclyde University, Glasgow where she read English and Sociology.  She graduated in 1967 and went on to study for her post-graduate Diploma in Education at Cardiff University.  Afterwards she found teaching employment in London before emigrating to California in 1970.  She eventually settled in Napa, centre of a wine-growing area north of San Francisco, California, where she alternated between working in the social services department for Napa County and continuing her teaching career with the Napa Unified School District.  In recent years she has returned to teaching, specialising in 'special needs' teaching.  On 19 August 1972, she married Richard Charles Matta at Gardnerville, Nevada.  His family origins are in Northern Italy and he, too, is a teacher.  They have no children.

 They have travelled widely, to the Caribbean, Canada and Mexico, Europe and throughout the USA including Hawaii and Alaska.  Teresa's interest in conservation has led to a committed involvement in the Sierra Club, a national organisation that dedicates itself to environmental issues and conservation.  She has become very active in the local group of the Sierra Club, serving on the Board of Directors for ten years, three years of which she was Chair of the Group.  She also owns a Golden Retriever, Toby, to whom she had devoted many hours training and entering him in obedience trials.  Like her brother, she enjoys running and has competed in marathons, half marathons and 10k runs.  Her other interests include photography, painting, reading, camping, backpacking and travelling.  In 1992 she was awarded a Masters Degree in Special Education.

68.    ii.   PETER JOHN BATES, b. 01 Apr 1947, Bristol, England.



56.  MARY KATHLEEN9 BATES (dau. of FRANK SPENCER 8 [47]) was born 14 Oct 1920.  She married ARTHUR GILL Jun 1951. 


Mary Kathleen Bates, the third child of Frank and Alice Bates, was born on 14 October 1920 in Bristol.  She was educated at Fairfield Grammar School, starting at the time when her older brother, Stanley, was leaving.  She left school at 17, a year later than usual because she failed her School Certificate examination and stayed on another year to re-sit it.  The second time she was successful.  Her own comments about her school career were as follows: "I was not the clever one in the family, I didn't like school so I did not work as hard as I probably could have done!"


At 17 she left school and went to work in a residential nursery called the Downend Baby Home - approximately a mile from her home.  She lived in, and stayed in that post for 2 years, enjoying the work and obtaining her Certificate in Childcare at the end.  Subsequently she went to the Leicester Royal Infirmary to train as a nurse.  This was not like school!  She comments: "I loved it there.  I enjoyed my work, as a result I studied hard as well.  Every exam I sat I passed!"


After 4 years she obtained her State Registration in 1945.  Then followed a period at Leeds Maternity Hospital for Part 1 Midwifery, which, in turn, was followed by a second spell in Leicester for Part 2 Midwifery.  She then became a State Certified Midwife.  For a while she worked at the Leicester Royal Infirmary as a Staff Midwife before going, in January to work in Hackney, East London as a District Midwife.  After a 2 year spell there, she moved to Wellingborough in September 1949, again working as a District Midwife.  In June 1951 she married Arthur Gill and within 6 months they had moved to Northampton.  In 1953 their first child, Ruth, was born, and then two years later, Peter, was born.


Her children occupied her life for several years and in 1960, for a period of about 5 years, Mary worked part-time at what was the Church of England Moral Welfare Home for Unmarried Mothers.  She has not worked since.


Her main interest in life, apart from the family - she has 4 grandchildren - has been in Christian work.  She concluded her short account of her life with these words, "Like my father, my Christian Faith has been and still is more than just going to Church on Sunday".


Children of MARY BATES and ARTHUR GILL are:

69.     i.   RUTH10 GILL, b. 1953, Northampton, England.

70.    ii.   PETER JOHN GILL, b. 14 Oct 1955, Northampton, England.



57.  STUART JOSEPH SPENCER9 BATES (son of EDWARD WILLIAM 8 [48]) was born 07 Feb 1914 in Gosport, Hants, England, and died 1983.  He married (1) TINA ?.    He married (2) AMY PRINCE 1936. 


Stuart Joseph Spencer Bates was the eldest son of Edward William Bates and Edith May Bates (nee Wellspring).  He was born at St Edward's Road, Gosport, Hampshire.  He became a brilliant pianist, learning to play at the age of 7 and performed at Reading Town Hall.  He trained as a draftsman, but as Art and Design was his greater interest, he joined Heals of Tottenham Court Road where he became a fabric designer.  Later he designed fabrics for his own business.  He inherited the trade name, Harper and Bates, from his Uncle Wyndham.


Children of STUART BATES and AMY PRINCE are:

71.     i.   RODNEY STUART10 BATES, b. 1940.

72.    ii.   GILLIAN BATES, b. 1945.



58.  DOROTHY JOYCE9 BATES (dau. of EDWARD WILLIAM 8 [48]) was born 1920 in Basingstoke, Hants, England.  She married JOHN RICHARD NICHOLL 1946. 


After leaving school, where her great love was music, Dorothy Joyce Bates became a switchboard operator, working in London, Orpington, Gravesend and Biggin Hill.  In 1946 she married John Richard Nicholl and for the next 8 years was employed as a Social Worker.  She and John had four children.


Joyce and John Nicholl, now retired, live in Ilminster in Somerset and Joyce has added enormously to my knowledge of the Bates family.  She has also provided me with some marvellous photographs of past members of the Bates family, as well as pictures of special significance taken in Plymouth.  This account of our family owes much to Joyce's enthusiasm for genealogy and her personal knowledge of recent generations of the Bates family.



         i.   RICHARD PHILIP10 NICHOLL, b. 24 Mar 1947; d. 06 Apr 1947, died an infant.

73.    ii.   JENNIFER ANN NICHOLL, b. 14 Feb 1949.

        iii.   MICHAEL CHARRINGTON NICHOLL, b. 14 Mar 1952.

Michael lives and works in North Wales.  He is a forestry worker, is unmarried - though lives with his partner - and enjoys the outdoor life.

               iv.   PETA NOELLE NICHOLL, b. 05 Dec 1959; m. PHILIP WAKEFIELD.

She is a teacher, being employed in a Sixth Form College in Manchester.  She is married to a teacher, Philip Wakefield.  The couple have no children.



59.    PETER HENRY9 JEEVES (son of GERALD CHILDS8 JEEVES [49]) was born 1919 in Lowestoft, Suffolk, England.  He married AGNES MOLLIE WILLMOTT.  She was born c. 1925 in Lowestoft, Suffolk.


      Child of PETER JEEVES and AGNES WILLMOTT is:

                i.   CAROLYN JENNIFER10 JEEVES, b. 1947, Lowestoft, Suffolk, England.





Generation No. 10



Without question, the seminal event that had the greatest influence on those of the third generation of the Bates family was the Second World War.  Many served in the armed forces, all were affected by the drama of those years which led up to the greatest conflict the world has yet to experience and none remained untouched by the brutality, heroism and privations which were the hallmarks of those war years.  Released in 1945 from the turmoil of war, the tenth generation of the Bates family, along with countless millions of other people who had been fortunate enough to survive the period 1939-1945, turned its attention to the process of rebuilding and reshaping lives which had been dramatically altered as a consequence of war.  The fruits of that reconstruction were harvested, in large extent, by the tenth generation, none of whom, apart from some who experienced the war as very small children, have any recollection of how shattering and demoralising the war had been.  The tenth generation then, are the children of the post-war world, a world in which change has become a by-word in every aspect of life.  The scientific and technological revolution has been at the heart of these changes.  This revolution has resulted in remarkable advances and changes in telecommunications, transport, the leisure industry, the work place, entertainment, medicine, sport, education, construction, energy, space travel, warfare....... even the weather.  Much of the changes and advances have been widely recognised as being 'good things'; however they have been accompanied by a remarkable decline in organised religions and spiritual activity and a growth of many social ills such as crime, unemployment, drug-taking and a general decline in moral standards - whatever they are!  The social cohesion of the pre-1939 days appears to be a thing of the past and the adversarial nature of domestic politics have not produced the solutions so far to our many social and economic difficulties.  Clearly the tenth generation of the Bates have been fashioned by the events of the post-war years just as clearly as the previous generation was affected by the war itself.


The tenth generation of the family consists of 21 people of whom 19 are still alive.  The eldest, Anthony Bates was born in June 1932, the youngest Andrew Tatlow, was born in 1957.



60.  JOHN10 DAY (son of ROSEMARY10 WEBB [50]) He married ALISON ?. 


Child of JOHN DAY and ALISON ? is:

                i.   THOMAS11 DAY., b: 1995

               ii.   KEIRON DAY, b. 2000.



61.  MARTIN10 BATES (son of HENRY THOMAS ROY9 [51]) was born 05 May 1939.  He married KATIE GREIG 1972.  She was born 08 Dec 1945.


Educated at Pembroke College, Oxford, graduating in English and History.  Martin taught English to foreign students in the Middle East as well as in such diverse places as Argentina, Turkey and Iran.  Currently he lives in Scotland and visits Egypt regularly as he is employed by the Egyptian Government, writing English language books.


The youngest of three brothers, Martin is a renowned Arabic linguist with well-known text books published on the subject of teaching English to Arabs and Israelis. 


Children of MARTIN BATES and KATIE GREIG are:

                i.   ANNABEL11 BATES, b. 27 Feb 1978.

               ii.   MADALEINE BATES, b. 20 Oct 1982.

               iii.   ALEXANDER BATES, b. 01 Jan 1984.



62.  DAVID MICHAEL JOHN10 BATES (son of JOHN DAVID9 [52]) was born 19 Aug 1932 in Brisbane, Queensland, Australia, and died 17 Jul 1999 in Cherrybrook, NSW, Australia.  He married ENID BETTY HOPE-JOHNSTONE 27 Sep 1958 in Adelaide, South Australia.  She was born 09 Dec 1930, and died Jul 1991 in Cherrybrook, NSW, Australia.


Qualifying as an engineer, David pursued an engineering career in Tasmania.  David died from a rare form of lung cancer.


In a letter written by Sir Jack Bates to the author's father (Stanley Bates) in September 1990, David's father wrote, "David has just recently retired and spends a lot of time on his sailing boat which always seems to need scraping or painting when he's not actually sailing or doing some job on the house which he designed and helped to build".


David was made redundant in 1990.  He enjoyed a busy life keeping his house and 5 acres of land in good order.  When he and Enid sold his father's house they were able to buy a lovely yacht with the money - a nice touch which his father as the ex-head of P&O in Australia would have very much approved of.  He and his wife and sons Nick and Andrew sailed around the Tasmanian islands a good deal.



                i.   NICHOLAS DAVID11 BATES, b. 17 Jul 1959; m. KERRIE ?.

Nicholas' career has involved working with wildlife; he is particularly committed to the preservation of Antarctic wildlife.

               ii.   TIMOTHY JOHN BATES, b. 05 Jun 1962; m. LISE ?.

Tim works for the Australian Broadcasting Company as a cameraman and has been responsible for several prestigious programmes.  At present he is working for the corporation in Moscow.  His wife, Lise, has accompanied him to Russia. 

               iii.   ANDREW BATES, b. 21 Jul 1965.

Andrew joined the Government Marine Service and eventually became a policeman within that service.  Currently he is Officer-in-charge at a seaport on the south-east coast of Tasmania.



63.  ANDREW10 EVANS (son of DOREEN9 BATES [53]) was born 1941.  He married SUE ?. 


After graduating from Cambridge University with a degree in Mathematics Andrew married his wife, Sue, and emigrated to Australia where he became a University Lecturer, specialising in transport issues.  His wife also taught at the university.  Returning to Britain, Andrew Evans became Professor of 'Safety in Public Transport' and joint head of the Mathematics Department of University College and Imperial College, both of which are part of London University.  His wife lectures at Birkbeck College, London.


Children of ANDREW EVANS and SUE ? are:

                i.   ROSALIND11 EVANS, b. 1978.

               ii.   COLIN EVANS, b. 1981.

               iii.   WILLIAM EVANS, b. 1984.



64.       MARGARET10 EVANS (dau. of DOREEN9 BATES [53]) was born 1941.  She married FRED ESIRI.  He was born 1938.


She studied medicine at St Hughs, Oxford. She is presently employed on a part-time basis doing neurological research at Nuffield Hospital, Oxford and she has recently become a Grandmother.   Fred is Nigerian and a doctor.


Children of MARGARET EVANS and FRED ESIRI are:

74.     i.   HENRIETTA11 ESIRI, b. 1963.

               ii.   MARK ESIRI, b. 1967.

Mark studied law at London University and now works with a friend in a business in London called Chalk and Cheese.  In effect he is in the community care business, providing domestic services.

               iii.   FREDERICK ESIRI, b. 1967.

Frederick works for an American bank, Goldman Sachs, in the City of London.  During 1992 he spent a year working for the bank in the USA.



65.  PAUL SPENCER10 BATES (son of JOHN SPENCER9 [54]) was born 01 Jan 1940 in Abba, Belgian Congo, and died 29 May 2006 in Brussels, Belgium.  He married (1) CHRISTINE DALBY.    He married (2) FREDA SPILLARD 04 Apr 1964 in Hemel Hempstead, Herts, England. 


Paul was educated at Cambridge University, eventually becoming a priest in the Church of England, as his father had done.  After a period serving first as a curate in Bristol and later as Canon at Winchester Cathedral, he was appointed in 1990 as one of four Canons at Westminster Abbey.  He made regular radio broadcasts on BBC Radio 4 'Thought for Today' at 7.50 am.  He married Freda Spillard on 4 April 1964 at St Mary's Church, Hemel Hempstead and they subsequently had two children, both boys, Julian born in 1966 and Jonathon, born in 1969.  In 1994 Paul resigned from his post of Canon at Westminster Abbey and joined a London firm, the Alexander Corporation, based in Oxford Street.  At the same time he and his wife separated and in 1995 they were divorced.  Both continue to live and work in London, Freda having trained, despite ill-health, to become a London guide. Paul remarried in 2004. His new wife is the Danish born Christine Dalby. They live in Brussels with Christine’s son, Jonathan.




Paul Bates, who died on Monday aged 66, was until 1994 one of the Church of England's outstanding priests.


At that time he was a relatively young canon of Westminster Abbey, with a strong record behind him, and it was confidently expected that he would shortly become a bishop or possibly a dean. But when his marriage fell apart he resigned not only from his canonry but also from the priesthood.


Bates had all the gifts that would have made him a notable church leader. He was a fine preacher, a talented teacher and an outstanding pastor. He won the admiration and allegiance of colleagues, knew how to get people of diverse temperaments to work together and was brimming with creative ideas.

Added to this was considerable organisational skill, a handsome appearance and an attractive personality, which made the loss to the Church all the more keenly felt.


Some of his skills and experience were, however, transferred easily to the secular sphere, and he made a no less successful, albeit shorter, second career in management consultancy.


Paul Spencer Bates, the son of a missionary priest, was born on January 1 1940 at a hospital in the Belgian Congo, his father at the time serving in adjacent southern Sudan. He went from St Edmund's School, Canterbury, to Corpus Christi, Cambridge, and completed his training for Holy Orders at Lincoln Theological College, where his gifts were soon recognised and a bright future in the Church's ministry forecast.


Ordained in 1965, he spent five years as a curate at Hartcliffe, in Bristol, winning great praise for his work among young people. He found the liberal atmosphere of the 1960s stimulating, and adopted an informality of dress and hair style not then common among clergymen. This proved to be no handicap to his appointment in 1970 as chaplain at Winchester College. John Thorn, the then headmaster, was strong on unusual and imaginative appointments, and the choice of Bates was deemed to be an unqualified success. He could more than hold his own in the classroom, but his chief contribution was as a pastor to both the boys and the dons.


He had the gift of establishing a close rapport with people of all ages, and the boys regarded his opinions as near-infallible: "Paul says… " was considered by them to clinch any argument. Whenever tragedy struck the school he was immediately there to provide strong, sensitive support, often over long periods.


Just over the wall, however, a new Bishop of Winchester, John V Taylor, was no less adept than the headmaster at spotting talent, and in 1980, to the great chagrin of the college, he persuaded Bates to become his diocesan director of training. At this time the post-ordination training of curates and the in-service education of vicars was nothing if not haphazard, and often virtually non-existent.


Bates, who had much in common with Bishop Taylor, was one of the first full-time directors of training to be appointed, and during the next 10 years he devised and implemented education programmes for clergy at every stage of their ministries.


While academic study was available for those who wanted it, most of the courses were more directly related to practical parish work and came to be regarded by the overwhelming majority of the clergy as something to be enjoyed rather than endured.


Many of the methods were exported to other dioceses, and Bates, combining with a group of other talented young priests to provide the bishop with a think-tank, showed no less flair in his promotion of new-style education schemes for young people and adult laity. At the national level he was closely involved in the work of the Grubb Institute, particularly with research on the effects of parochial stress on the lives of clergy families. This was shown to be considerable.


He was appointed an honorary canon of Winchester Cathedral in 1987.


Following his resignation in 1994, Bates became a consultant with Alexander Corp, then moved to the American-based consultancy Sibson & Co. On reaching the age of 60 he became an independent management consultant with an international clientele. He died suddenly soon after returning from an assignment in the Far East.


While at Winchester he was a keen supporter of Hampshire Cricket Club and, from his Cambridge years, was a discerning reader of modern novels. He is survived by his second wife, Christine, and by two sons of his first marriage.


Children of PAUL BATES and FREDA SPILLARD are:

                i.   JULIAN SPENCER11 BATES, b. 23 Jul 1966, Bristol,