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Descendants of William and Janet Thomson Ramsay

Generation No. 2


2. JAMES2 RAMSAY (WILLIAM1) was born Oct 18, 1786 in Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland8, and died Unknown in Scotland. He married HELEN PENMAN May 19, 1806 in Dalgety, Fife, Scotland9. She was born Jul 18, 1785 in Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland10, and died Unknown in Scotland.

More About JAMES RAMSAY:
Christened: Oct 29, 1786, Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland11

More About HELEN PENMAN:
Misc: daughter of George Penman, Helen Thomson

More About JAMES RAMSAY and HELEN PENMAN:
Marriage: May 19, 1806, Dalgety, Fife, Scotland12
     
Children of JAMES RAMSAY and HELEN PENMAN are:
  i.   WILLIAM3 RAMSAY, b. May 4, 1807, Dalgety, Fife, Scotland13; d. Unknown.
  ii.   JAMES RAMSAY, b. Aug 12, 1820, Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland13; d. Unknown.
  iii.   JOHN (TWIN) RAMSAY, b. 1826, Dalgety, Fife, Scotland; d. Unknown.
  More About JOHN (TWIN) RAMSAY:
Christened: Mar 20, 1826, Dalgety, Fife, Scotland14
  iv.   ROBERT (TWIN) RAMSAY, b. 1826, Dalgety, Fife, Scotland; d. Unknown.
  More About ROBERT (TWIN) RAMSAY:
Christened: Mar 20, 1826, Dalgety, Fife, Scotland14



3. JOHN2 RAMSAY (WILLIAM1) was born Apr 27, 1788 in Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland15, and died Unknown in Scotland. He married JANET PENMAN Jan 15, 1810 in Dalgety, Fife, Scotland16. She was born Feb 23, 1789 in Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland17, and died Unknown in Scotland.

More About JOHN RAMSAY:
Christened: May 4, 1788, Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland18

More About JANET PENMAN:
Alternate spelling: Jannet
Misc: daughter of Thomas Penman, Margaret Duncan

More About JOHN RAMSAY and JANET PENMAN:
Marriage: Jan 15, 1810, Dalgety, Fife, Scotland19
     
Children of JOHN RAMSAY and JANET PENMAN are:
  i.   WILLIAM3 RAMSAY, b. Dec 10, 1810, Dalgety, Fife, Scotland20; d. Unknown.
  ii.   THOMAS RAMSAY, b. Aug 21, 1812, Dalgety, Fife, Scotland20; d. Unknown.
  iii.   EUPHEMIA RAMSAY, b. May 1, 1815, Dalgety, Fife, Scotland20; d. Unknown.
  iv.   JANET RAMSAY, b. Aug 21, 1817, Dalgety, Fife, Scotland20; d. Unknown.
  v.   ARCHIBALD RAMSAY, b. 1822, Dalgety, Fife, Scotland; d. Unknown.
  More About ARCHIBALD RAMSAY:
Christened: Dec 14, 1822, Dalgety, Fife, Scotland21



4. WILLIAM2 RAMSAY (WILLIAM1) was born 1790 in Torryburn, Fife, Scotland, and died Unknown in Scotland. He married CHRISTIAN MORRIS May 10, 1816 in Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland22. She was born May 25, 1797 in Cowdenbeath, Fife, Scotland23, and died Unknown in Scotland.

More About WILLIAM RAMSAY:
Christened: Mar 7, 1790, Torryburn, Fife, Scotland24

More About CHRISTIAN MORRIS:
Christened: May 28, 1797, Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland24
Misc: daughter of William Morris, Elspet Spowart

More About WILLIAM RAMSAY and CHRISTIAN MORRIS:
Marriage: May 10, 1816, Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland25
Marriage note: double wedding date with brother Robert
     
Children of WILLIAM RAMSAY and CHRISTIAN MORRIS are:
  i.   ELSPETH3 RAMSAY, b. 1816, Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland; d. Unknown.
  More About ELSPETH RAMSAY:
Christened: Sep 13, 1816, Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland26
  ii.   JANET RAMSAY, b. Jul 10, 1818, Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland27; d. Unknown.
  More About JANET RAMSAY:
Christened: Jul 19, 1818, Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland28
  iii.   JANE RAMSAY, b. Apr 20, 1820, Dalgety, Fife, Scotland29; d. Unknown.
  iv.   CHRISTIAN RAMSAY, b. 1822, Dalgety, Fife, Scotland; d. Unknown.
  More About CHRISTIAN RAMSAY:
Christened: Sep 7, 1822, Dalgety, Fife, Scotland30



5. ROBERT2 RAMSAY (WILLIAM1) was born Apr 4, 1792 in Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland31, and died Feb 8, 1832 in Scotland. He married ELIZABETH MORRIS May 10, 1816 in Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland32, daughter of WILLIAM MORRIS and CHRISTIAN SNADAN. She was born Apr 23, 1793 in Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland33, and died Mar 1, 1862 in Scotland.

Notes for ROBERT RAMSAY:
Marriage: see a photo of Robert's marriage on this site. It reads that on April 22, 1816, "Robert Ramsay Coalhewer in the parish of Dalgety and Betty Morris of this parish gave in their names for proclamation in order to marriage and being three times proclaimed and no objections made they were married on 10 May 1816." Robert's brother William was married the same day.

Occupation: "In 1813 Robert, while mining in the Earl of Elgin's coal pit, was so severely injured that he could never thereafter perform hard labor. Fortunately, he had been a regular and a studious fellow and while he was only twenty-one at the time of the accident, he was already ranked as a mine boss. Manual labor, therefore, was not necessary for him and owing to his good standing in the community, he was able to get sufficient financial backing to set himself up in the mining business on leased property." (Childers, p. 15)

His descendant Margaret Ramsay Jones, of Mt. Pleasant, PA, wrote that Robert "owned the coal mine called 'White Rashes' at Cowdenbeath, Fifeshire, Scotland."

Family: Robert died just two years after the birth of his youngest child. He never lived to see any of his grandchildren. Still, "he accumulated sufficient of the world's goods during his brief life that his family never lacked the necessities and his children received at least a limited education." (Childers, p. 15)

Robert's descendant, Adelaide Frick Ramsay Clarke, maintains that Robert and Elizabeth were buried at Dunfermline Abbey, Dunfermline, Scotland, on the left side of the Margate entrance. However, when I husband and I visited the Abbey in 1997, we could not find the graves even though we walked through the entire cemetery and bought the book that lists the graves. On the other hand, some of the stones are unreadable and damaged.

More About ROBERT RAMSAY:
Christened: Apr 8, 1792, Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland34
Christening witness: Apr 8, 1792, James Ramsay & Alexander Robertson
Occupation: 1813, mine boss35

Notes for ELIZABETH MORRIS:
Of the eight known children of Robert and Elizabeth, seven survived to adulthood, marriage and parenthood. Although Robert died at an early age, Elizabeth lived long enough to know of the birth of most of her grandchildren. Of Elizabeth's children, only William left Scotland to emigrate to America. The rest likely never left the county of Fife, judging by the places their children were born. All her daughters married miners and they worked in the collieries in the parishes of Auchterderran and Dalgety, as did her son Morris. William carried the mining tradition to the United States. Robert and Elizabeth had at least 46 grandchildren.

Elizabeth's descendant, Adelaide Frick Ramsay Clarke, maintains that Robert and Elizabeth also had a son Thomas, nicknamed Tam "who lived in Tam Hill Scotland. Some of the family are still there," Adelaide wrote in a family record. However, I can find no record of a Thomas Ramsay born to the couple. Thomas Ramsay is also not in the notes of Helen Ramsay Walter.

Margaret Ramsay Jones states that Elizabeth died in 1865. I will have to check this with the Scottish Register, but in general, I have found a number of dates provided by Mrs. Jones to be in error.

More About ELIZABETH MORRIS:
Alternate spelling: Morres, Morrice
Christened: Apr 28, 1793, Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland36
Christening witness: George Burke(?), Alexander Morres

More About ROBERT RAMSAY and ELIZABETH MORRIS:
Marriage: May 10, 1816, Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland37
Marriage note: double wedding date with brother William
     
Children of ROBERT RAMSAY and ELIZABETH MORRIS are:
10. i.   CHRISTIAN3 RAMSAY, b. Mar 21, 1817, Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland; d. 1910, Scotland.
11. ii.   WILLIAM RAMSAY, b. Mar 26, 1819, Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland; d. Apr 16, 1885, Larimer, N. Huntingdon Twp, Westmoreland Co, PA.
12. iii.   MARGARET JANET RAMSAY, b. Jun 6, 1821, Dalgety, Fife, Scotland; d. Unknown, Dalgety, Fife, Scotland.
13. iv.   MORRIS RAMSAY, b. Jul 5, 1823, Dalgety, Fife, Scotland; d. 1882, Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland.
14. v.   JEAN RAMSAY, b. Aug 29, 1825, Dalgety, Fife, Scotland; d. Aft. 1881, Scotland.
  vi.   ISABEL RAMSAY, b. Nov 29, 1826, Dalgety, Fife, Scotland38; d. 1826, Dalgety, Fife, Scotland39.
  More About ISABEL RAMSAY:
Misc: no christening, marriage record
15. vii.   ISABELLA LANDER RAMSAY, b. Dec 27, 1827, Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland; d. Aft. 1881, Scotland.
16. viii.   AGNES RAMSAY, b. Sep 24, 1830, Cowdenbeath, Fife, Scotland; d. Aft. 1881, Scotland.

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