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Descendants of John Payne

Generation No. 1

1. JOHN2 PAYNE (BARNETT BARNABUS1) died Abt. September 20, 1770 in St. George's Parish, Spotsylvania County, Virginia. He married FRANCIS EDMONDS COLEMAN Bef. 1745 in Lancaster County, Virginia, daughter of ROBERT COLEMAN.

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Kentucky Lineage
Michael Mills
Payne Family
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Michael Mills Acknowledgement :

The Payne family was very easy to research because so much work had already been done by our friend and cousin, Mary Bolin McDermott of Nicholasville, KY, and the Payne Family Association, and by family author Jerald Wilson of Greenfield, Indiana. We are deeply indebted to all of these for their many years of work and study.

On 5 Aug 1739, Spotsylvania County, Virginia, Edward Pigg named in his will one Barnett Payne, Jr., husband of Edward's granddaughter, Ann. In 1740, Spotsylvania County, VA, Barnett Payne, Sr., was named the administrator of the estate of Barnett Payne, Jr..

John Pain of St. George Parish, Sptsylvania County, VA, made his will on 25 July 1764, and the Executors bond was dated 20 September 1770. John's will was filed in Spotsylvania Co.,VA wills, Volume I, 1721-1800. In it John names his wife, Frances Pain, and left her all the estate, both real and personal and after her decease directed that all all should be divided among his children, eldest John Pain, and other sons, Thomas, Barnett, William, Robert, and George. He also mentioned his daughters, but did not name them. Thomas and William Pain, were named his executors. The witnesses were Daniel, William and Mary Trigg.

On 11 December 1793, Govenor Henry Lee of Richmond, VA issued an official proclamation declaring that one hundred dollars reward would be offerd to anyone who could apprehend and convey to the jail one Richard Adams, who was wanted for the murder of one Barnett Payne in Halifax County, Virginia. This is taken from the Calender of State Papers of Virginia, Volume VI, Pp. 671-680. Meanwhile, Richard Adams had already been taken out of Halifax County, VA by his father. The elder Adams had located an ignorant magistrate, and said magistrate agreed to the acquittal of Richard, and Richard had subsequently fled to North Carolina.
NOTE: Halifax Co.,VA is near bedford Co.,VA both being in the south central part of the state of VA.

Since Barnett Payne, Jr. was dead by 1740, and since Barnett Payne, Sr. was probably deceased by before 1793, the Barnett Payne who was murdered must have been a third person named Barnett Payne. The relationship of these three men have not been determined.
Immigrant Ancestors - Page 53

Payne, Sir John came to America; he and his brother, Sir William Payne, were both knighted by King James II; they received from the King a grant of land 12 miles square near Alexandria, VA called " Payne Manor ", Sir john settled in the manorial estate in ( then ) Fairfax County.,VA.

FROM : Mrs. Judith L. Marshall, a descendant of the Payne Family

Descendants in Kentucky of John and William Payne, sons of Sir Robert Payne, of England. They came to America 1694, and both were from England. James I to conciliate them did especially memtion them in a land charter granted to a company, May 23, 16--.

The Payne's were a powerful tribe in Wales, and one part of the tribe was never willing to submit to the King of England. JamesI to conciliate them gave them gave them a special land grant, 12 miles square, near Alexandria, VA, known as Payne Manor.

Their coat of arms - Gn ( red ) fesse; two lions passant. Ar ( blue )
Crest - A lion's gamb erased and erect. Ar ( blue ) grasping a broken tilting
Motto - " Malo mori quam foedari" ( DEATH BEFORE DISHONOR )


      It is a noteworthy fact that the Payne family, in common with several other houses of antique noblesse in the province of Normandy, never used the prefix "de" to their patronymic, other than territorially. Hugh Payne, as the name was then spelled, was one of the immortal founders of the Order of the Temple. Payen de Montmuse was the Lieutenant of Richard the Lion in his eastern campaign, and proved himself by his strategy and prowess, a fit locum-tenens of the gallant monarch. Thibaut Payen, afterwards Count of Gisors, was appointed in 1117, by the mutual consent of Louis VII of France and Henry I of England, the custodian of that town, then the key to Normandy. Other scions of the family wandered into England, Spain, Portugal and Italy where they speedily, made themselves names and fortunes in the lands of their adoption. Each coutry in which they settled gave a local flavor to their name. In Normandy they were and are known as Payen; Italy called them Payana; while England's simple translation turned Payen into Payne. In England the Paynes resided for many centuries and acheived great distinction and honor. America was not to far for this adventurous family, for we find the right hand man of Lord Fairfax was one William Payne, Esquire, whose descendants formed the head of those old Virginian Cavaliers.


      Seven centuries ago a member of the elder branch of the Paynes settled in that insular portion of the Duchy of Mormandy, the Island of Jersey. He and his posterity occupied every governmental and ecclesiastical position of trust in the island. When Charles I. Quarreled with his subjects, he had no stauncher supporters than the Paynes, who were the last to haul down the royal standard from the storm-torn towers of Elizabeth Castle. They ignored Cromwell and the moment the head of Charles fell at Whitehall they proclaimed his son Charles, the King. The merry monarch twice sought an asylum in Jersey, where the first love, mademoiselle La Cloche, was a local belle. But the Paynes eventually felt the republican blast and migrated to Devonshire where they became rich and powerful. They also acquired great possessions in the West Indian Islands. Ralph Payne (Lord Lavington a title which now extinct), was the witty and debonair companion of George IV. Stephen Payne was a Colonel of Horse of the Army of King Charles I and was one of those brace but unfortunate men, who strove to uphold the tottering fortunes of the Stuarts. When all was for a time lost, he thought of his native Island of Jersey, where Prince Charles could not but find a hardy welcome. Col. Payne escorted Prince Charles and his brother the Duke of York to the Payne home in Jersey. Col. Payne acted generously as host to the distinguished visitors, and Lord Clarendon occupied his forced leisure by writing, in his barrack-like apartment in Elizabeth Castle, the famous "History of the Rebellion".


      Col. Payne accompanied the royal guest when they left to visit Louis XIV in Paris, and the Grand Monarque created Stephen Payne, a Baron of France and a Knight of St. Micheal. Of the two royal brothers the Duke of York was the most attached to Col. Payne and when the news spread that Madame La Cornelle was about to become a mother, his royal highness expressed a desire to become god-father to the Colonel's first born, if it should prove to be a boy. The wish being parent to the thought the Colonel made up his mind that the child was to be a son. But he best laid schemes of mice and men gang aft aglee, the child was a daughter. Col. Payne was mortified and gave the fullest play to his power of anathematization, in which art he was very proficient. There was an old and faithful retainer of the Payne household who possessed deep religious and superstitious sentiments. She listened to the Colonel's bitter denunciation with grief and terror. In those days there was no professional physicians in Jersey, and all the mysteries of the healing arts was carried on by women. Douce Vardon was Physician in Cheif to the Payne household, a position she and her family had held for nearly three centuries. She was listened to both by the family of her master and her fellow servitors with respect and attention. Douce Vardon retired that night with troubled thoughts and her rest was disturbed with haunting dreams. Her superstitious mind felt certain that the raft of heaven would descend upon the family of Payne because of the Colonel's irreverent remarks.


      Tradition says that Douce Vardon dreamed a dream in which she saw the shade of the first Duke of Normandy, and he commissioned her to announce to her master that as a token of heaven's displeasure at the impetuous wrath of Stephen Payne upon the birth of a daughter, the innocent child would die in infancy; and further, that neither he, or anyone decended from him, would ever again be blessed with a daughter's love. The duty, sacred to the frightened Douce Vardon, was a difficult task for the faithful old servant. It was only when the friends and relatives were assembled at the christening, that the aged mid-wife summoned courage to deliver her message from beyond. It cast a great gloom over the house, a gloom which was intensified when the little daughter of the family did die. The grief was somewhat assuaged when the Colonel's wife subsequently presented him with a son, but whether the mid-wife spoke the truth or not, the facts are that six generations of the family.

      There is a bit of biography connected with the name Payne that is worthy of preservation. John Howard Payne, (1792-1852) was a distinquished author and adapter of plays. One would imaging that he was familiar with the early history of the Payne family and it's connection with the Stuart kings, as his best known adaptation is "Charles II". He also wrote "Brutus" and "Clari", which contains Payne's ballad, "Home Sweet Home". The music was adapted from a Sicillian air by Sir Henry Bishop. Payne was appointed American Consul at Tunis in 1841, and died there. It is a singular fact that the man who wrote "Home, Sweet Home" had never had a home during the last forty years of his life, and died on a foreign land. John Howard Payne was a warm personal friend of that remarkable man, John Ross, ( 1790 - 1866 ) who was Chief of the Cherokee Nation. he paid a visit to his friend in Georgia at the time the celebrated Indian chief and his people were being expelled from that state. A number of prominant Cherokees were in prison and that portion of Georgia in which the tribe was located was being scoured by armed squads of Georgia Militia. Ross had been forcibly ejected from his home and hiding in a miserable cabin. While Payne and Ross were seated before a fire in the hut, the door suddenly burst open and 6 or 8 militia men sprung into the room. The intruders told Ross and Payne that they were under arrest and must immediately accompany the squad to Milledgeville, where they were to be imprisoned. Ross was permitted to ride his own horse, while Payne was mounted on one lead by a soldier. It was a long journey and towards midnight the soldier that led Payne's horse, in order to keep himself awake, began humming " Home, home, sweet, sweet, home." When he had concluded Payne remarked: " Little did I expect to hear that song under such circumstances and at such a time. Do you know the author?" " No," said the soldier; " Do you?" "Yes," said Payne. " I composed it." The soldier gave Payne to understand that he doubted his declaration, and inferred that if Payne did write it he should remember every word of it. He told Payne to recite it and threatened reprisals if Payne failed to do so correctly. Payne recited the song in a slow, subdued tone, and then sang it, making the quiet night air ring with a tender melody and pathos of the words. The leader of the squad was not only convinced, he was captivated, and declared the author of such a song would not suffer imprisonment if he could help it.
This is all that was copied from the Danny Payne Internet Homepage on the Payne Family. Danny Payne hosts an Internet page for tha Payne Family to search and to transfer Payne info between the families. And a Chat Page.

Date: July 16, 1996 ( I like this date - it is the date of my brother Danny,Jr. birth )
From: Charles D. Payne to danny Payne's homepage at:
Col.Brooke Payne, in his new book " the Payne's of Virginia ".. quoting several sources, states that " these writers seem to agree that the name originated from the latin word " paganus " meaning either a pagan, or a countryman, or both. The French equivalent is " paien ".
" The Payne's of England are said to be of Norman origin, and are believed to be descended from men who, at the time that Rollo became a Christian ( 912 A.D. ), refused to be baptized, and hence were distinguished by the name " paganus ", or " le payen ". The name was thus applied as a soubriquet and does not connote consanquinity."
What else is there to add? Perhaps Col. Payne's generalization was not general as needs be.
The English names Payn, Payne, Paine stem from the french PAIEN ( pa'yehn ) meaning pagan, Latin for ' villager, rustic; civilian, non-militant'. In ( Church ) Latin, beginning in the 2nd Century A.D., it took on the meaning of ' heathen ' as opposed to Christian or Jewish.
It's Irish equivalent was FAGAN ( often corrupted as FEGAN ).
Christianity made its early early advances in the larger towns, which often had a monastery or cathedral. The country folk, without access to these institutions, became known as pagans, and the word came to include both declared non - Christians and country peasants.
Another correspondent writes:
"...Have you ever heard of related family Pyne. I have run across an old Irishman here with that name, and he believes it to be related.
Aside from the fact that FAGAN does the job, it depends on how the " Y " is pronounced. If it is as the " IE " in " PIE ", it wouldn't be fetched from too far....just add an " N ' and see what I mean..
Of course, I would have preferred the plain old French word " pain "... but who wants to known as a loaf of bread?
from: Chuck Hamrick, 4759 148th Ave. NE Q-101, Bellevue, WA 98007

Children of J
  iii.   JOHN PAYNE, m. MOLLY LONG, Bef. November 16, 1757, Spotsylvania County, Virginia.
3. iv.   WILLIAM PAYNE, d. Bef. 1767.
4. v.   ROBERT PAYNE, b. 1745, Spotsylvania County, Virginia; d. 1805, Burke County, North Carolina.

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