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Ancestors of William Lee Burns

Generation No. 4

      8. Benjamin Burns25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36,37,38,39,40, born Abt. 1780 in Carolina's; died 1858 in Eastaboga, Al.. He was the son of 16. Benjamin Burns. He married 9. Susan Smith April 07, 1803 in Rutherford Co., Nc.41.

      9. Susan Smith42,43,44, born 1787 in Carolina's; died Aft. 1860 in Talladega, Al.. She was the daughter of 18. James Smith and 19. Hannah Nair Hunt.

Notes for Benjamin Burns:
Land that is located on the Broad River, North Carolina, is noted to be the first land purchase of Benjamin's since his marriage to Susan Smythe in 1803. This land was purchase from a Mr. Cook. An actual copy was obtain under deed number 293, 10-15-1807 in the Rutherford County Courthouse. Mr. H. Quinn was a witness. This Mr. Quinn (or Mr. Guinn was a witness of the marriage between Benjamin and Susan. (Mr. J Cook was a Captain from the Salisbury District in the War of 1812.) Checking further into Tryon County, I find a Barnet Barns (Burns) listed in a few records. The one thing that ties him to Benjamin is his name, the location of land he purchased and sold and the witnesses involved. He was the only Burns (Barns) in the area just prior to Benjamin's birth as a land owner. In 1770 Jack Garner of Tryon County deeded land to Barnet Burns. Two of the witnesses on this deed were John Barns (Burns) and Moses Barnes (Burns). In 1771 Barnett Barns of Tryon County deeded land to Mathew Port. The latter land was on Allison's Creek on the west side of the Broad River. One of the witnesses on this transaction was Hugh Quinn.

Benjamin filed on his service pension when he moved to Alabama in attempts to obtain a land grant. He served in the War of 1812 in Captain Irvine's Company and was listed on the Muster Roll from 2-20-1815 to 3-6-1815 in the Rutherford County, North Carolina Militia. His pay voucher # was 4876-39688. Further research shows that Captain A Irvine later became Colonel Irvine as the War of 1812 progressed. Detached companies were put together in Rutherford County, but few of the men in the detachments came from Rutherford County. Benjamin was listed in the detachment that was to rendezvous at Wadesboro in March 1815. Irvine's detachment was comprised of men from Ashe, Wilkes, Burke, Buncombe, and Haywood Counties in North Carolina. Before they could see any action the War of 1812 was basically over. Another Burns was listed in the detachment of Irvine's that did see battle and that was Levi Burns.

As written in his memoirs by Brant and Fuller, "The paternal grandfather of Theodore R Burns was a soldier in the Revolutionary War for a short time; being killed at the battle of Bunker Hill. The mother of Theodore Burns was the daughter of James Smith, a native of Scotland, who immigrated to Mississippi, where he lived the remainder of his days."
"Peter Burns and Harriet Smith Burns were my great-grand parents and they were born in Ayrs Scotland. They came to this country and settled in the Carolina's. His son Benjamin married Susan Smith, a Scotch-Irish girl, the daughter of James Smith." (Written by V B Burns 1879-1922, the daughter of T M Burns and S J McGuire.) In reseaching, I could not find any information to verify that any Peter Burns is the father of Benjamin and that his father was not killed at the battle of Bunker Hill. It has also been a big family rumor that Benjamin is a descendant of the famous poet Robert Burns. This line of Burns is in no way related to the poet Robert Burns. The father of Susan Smith, James Smith, was not a native of Scotland but was born in Philadelphia, PA.

Upon further examination of the history of North Carolina, The 6th or Salisbury District was comprised of Tryon, Anson, Rowan, Mecklenburg, Surry, Guilford. Burke, Wilkes, Montgomery, and Richmond Counties, NC., with Sullivan and Washington Counties TN., in 1775. Some of South Carolina was included but not mentioned as part of Rutherford County and Old Tryon County. Up until after the war, part of Rutherford county was listed as the Morgan District until about 1806. The only real means of transportation during Benjamin's time period in the Carolinas would have been by river. According to sources (History of Old Tryon and Rutherford Counties NC 1730-1935, by C W Griffin, 1977) companies did thrive, for example the Ellis Ferry was owned by a company and provided many of the transportation needs.

Since Benjamin's land was located close to the mouth of the first Broad River, I picked up Mr. Hugh Quinn being listed as an overseers to clear out parts of the Broad River to South Carolina. It is a strong possibility that Benjamin and Susannah were not really married in what is now North Carolina, but only recorded the marriage there because that was the nearest record office to them and or someone was enroute to that area and recorded their marriage for them. Technically, Benjamin's land might have been located in North Carolina because of the location of the office of records. I can use an example of this as listed in the aforementioned source (page 131) Col A Irvine settled in Rutherford Co., now included in Cleveland County near South Carolina. He is buried one and a half mile south of the North Carolina state line in Cherokee County South Carolina in the Buffaloe Baptist Church Cemetery. Part of Mr. Cook's land also extended into South Carolina. Gilbert Town became the city of Rutherfordton.

In comparing the 1790 to the 1800 Union County Census of South Carolina, I have come to the conclusion that the older Benjamin Burns listed in house # B-652, M32, Reel 50 (35001-20110-00) is the father to younger born about 1780. I looked and studied the Rutherford Census of 1820 and other census around the area and looking for any variations. I also compared it to census' from Laurens Co. South Carolina with a Benjamin Burns whose father was David. I have come to this conclusion. The older Benjamin moved from North Carollina to South Carolina -- showing a definite comparison between the ages. He remains on the census up until 1830 which puts him between the age of 70 to 80 years old. Benjamin Burns (who married Susan Smith) would have been the correct age on the census listed 1810 in Laurens Co. So. Benjamin could have moved from North Carolina between 1807 to 1810 to be with his father. In 1810 I believe that his older child Melinda is the child listed in the older Benjamin's household also in Laurens Co., SC. (Take note that there is a Benjamin Burns listed 1810 census on Rutherford Co., NC that also supports this because of the time frame that the census were taken. It is a strong possibility that the Benjamin in 1810 SC and 1810 NC are one in the same.) During this time, I am showing a Levi Burns, who was in the same war company of Benjamin Burns from Rutherford County with a slight difference. Levi was in the 10th company under Cpt. Irvine and Benjamin was in the second. Levi is listed near Benjamin on the census of 1800 in Rutherford County, NC. He is also there in 1820. It is a possibility that Levi as well as Jeremiah and Benjamin are very closely related.

To support this, in the Post Revolutionary Revival of the South Carolina Baptist, listed at the Padgetts Creek Meeting house (about 1790-about 1803) is James Smith and an older Benjamin Burns. Nathan Langston is also listed. I feel that this Harriet Langston Burns's grandfather. Also listed are possible 2nd cousins to James Smith, cousins and brothers to Hannah Hunt Smith, and who I think are possible siblings or close relation to Benjamin -- being Jeremiah Burns.

Children of Benjamin Burns and Susan Smith are:
  i.   Melinda Burns45,46,47, born 1805 in North Carolina; died 1862 in Alabama; married William N McCain July 01, 1834 in Benton Co., Al. (now Calhoun Co., Al.); born July 10, 1802 in Tennessee; died January 12, 1872 in Alabama.
  Notes for Melinda Burns:
"Billy" William McCain was a minister. At one point he and his wife, resided in Dry Valley, Alabama. They were among the first five charter members of Blue Eye Baptist Church in 1834. They were married in Benton County by J D Montgomery who was the Justice of the Peace. According to what was written by Dr. McCain, the McCain's and Vance's are closely related but in this particular case the McCain's, Vance's, and Burns are only related through marriage. Residents: Dry Valley, Alabama.

  ii.   Harriet Burns48,49, born June 01, 1811 in North Carolina; died March 11, 1875 in Alabama; married Nathaniel H Dobbins September 28, 1824 in St Clair Co. Al; born October 11, 1804 in York Co., SC; died October 31, 1877 in Alabama.
  Notes for Harriet Burns:
Nathaniel Dobbins and Harriet Burns are buried in the cemetery at Blue Eye Baptist Church. Many of their descendants moved to Texas. Their lives were simple and quiet like the Indian Legend of blue eye -- for it's spring fed creek that bubbled like a blue eye, deep, quiet, and cool. I believe that this line of Dobbins were part of the Scot Irish Presbyterians (1740's) that possibly first settled in the Mill Bridge Community which is classified as the "Cradle of Rowan County", North Carolina.
Some of the children listed for Harriet and Nathaniel do not biologically belong to them. It was mentioned at one point that they adopted some of the Dobbins niece's and nephews Which family and whose the exact children are, remains a mystery.

  More About Harriet Burns:
Burial: Blue Eye Cemetery, Lincoln, Al

  Notes for Nathaniel H Dobbins:
Per Adelle Whitby Olney (1975) of San Bernardinao, CA. In Cherokee Co., Al., the records of James D Dobbins and Betsy Hughes and also Grisby Hughes and Elizabeth Dobbins are found. James brought land in Cherokee in 1834 however he died about 1840 and some of his sons evidently went to live with Natahniel and Harriett. Elizabeth Dobbins Hughes was a widow in 1850. Nathaniel was also orphanded and reared by his Uncle Drury Dobbins, a Baptist minister, whoh preached for 40 years at Sandy Run Church in Cleveland Co., NC.

  More About Nathaniel H Dobbins:
Burial: Blue Eye Cemetery, Lincoln, Al

  iii.   Clarissy Adeline Burns50, born May 11, 1812 in North Carolina; died September 11, 1872 in Alabama; married James Vance October 17, 1855; born January 07, 1814 in South Carolina; died October 18, 1882 in Mississippi.
  Notes for Clarissy Adeline Burns:
Clarissy Burns and James Vance were members of the Bethany Baptist church in Alabama.

  iv.   James Smith Burns51,52,53, born March 30, 1814 in Alabama; died October 17, 1855 in Mississippi; married (1) Martha Embry December 04, 183854; born 1814 in Georgia; died 1844 in Mississippi; married (2) Louisa Young 1846; born April 30, 1825 in Tennessee; died September 28, 1901 in Mississippi.
  Notes for James Smith Burns:
James Burns and Martha Embry were married in Talladega, Alabama. He was a member, when he lived in Calhoun County, Mississippi, of the Board of Police 1862, 1865, and 1875. He also resided in Hopewell, Mississippi.

  v.   Melissa A Burns55, born 1816; died 1855.
  Notes for Melissa A Burns:
Never married.

  vi.   Albert Newton Burns56,57, born April 1818 in North Carolina; died February 1891 in Mississippi; married Harriet Langston; born March 08, 1828; died Aft. 1900 in Mississippi.
  Notes for Albert Newton Burns:
Albert's wife Harriet was 72 years old in 1900 and was residing with their daughter Lemmie Burns Childs. He and his wife are buried in the Cemetery at the Philadelphia Baptist Church in Webster County, Mississippi. He served in the 1861 in the Civil War Company D 3rd Battalion Infantry Grenada, Mississippi, under Captain W M Pitman's Company.

  vii.   Benjamin Franklin Burns58,59, born September 07, 1820 in North Carolina; died May 23, 1891 in Alabama; married Sarah Jane McCollough 1852; died Aft. 1891 in Alabama.
  Notes for Benjamin Franklin Burns:
Benjamin was also a Civil War soldier as listed in the Bull Run Campaign in the operations in MS, PA, VA, and WVA. He was also a loyal Member of His Masonic Organization. He was a Senior Warden, Worshipful Master, Steward, Treasurer and he demitted on November 14, 1884, five years before his death. His lodge is located in Eastaboga, Alabama Lodge Number 155 (1851-1884).
Contrary to popular rumor, it is his home that still stands in Eastaboga, Alabama and is noted as being the Burns Stagecoach and Inn.
The land, after research, belonged at one time to the McCullough family. Benjamin and Susan did visit there but it was not their home, but that of their son's. Benjamin worked as a blacksmith and a farmer while running the Inn.

  viii.   Theodore Richardson Burns60,61,62,63,64, born February 26, 1823 in Alabama; died February 16, 1902; married (1) Adelaide Young 1849; born November 13, 1831; died August 03, 1850; married (2) Elizabeth Worthington August 25, 1851; born February 15, 1834; died August 02, 1907.
  Notes for Theodore Richardson Burns:
Civil War Soldier Company F 51st Alabama Cavalry under Captain N D Johnson.

  4 ix.   Terrell Marion Burns, born February 14, 1828 in Palmetto Creek, Al; died May 17, 1897 in Slate Springs, Ms; married (1) Margaret Therrell 1855; married (2) Sara Jane McGuire December 08, 1872.

      10. David Therrell65,66,67, born March 17, 1776 in South Carolina; died September 20, 1857 in Alabama. He married 11. Annie Thompson Bef. 1813.

      11. Annie Thompson68, born 1785 in Ireland; died August 09, 1881 in Calhoun County, Ms..

Notes for David Therrell:
Volunteer Soldier 1812 in organization from Territory of Mississippi Roll VII 6th Regiment. Resided in Tuscaloosa Co., Al. before moving to Mississippi. (Who is James Valiant in Tuscaloosa Co., Al., listed at one point with Annie Thompson. Is this perhaps a brother in law on her side of the family.)

  Notes for Annie Thompson:
8-24-1860 Annie is 66 years old and living with her son John in Benala, Calhoun County, Ms.,

More About Annie Thompson:
Burial: Providence Cemetery, East of Derma Ms.
Children of David Therrell and Annie Thompson are:
  i.   John Therrell, died Aft. 1860.
  ii.   William Therrell, died Aft. 1860.
  5 iii.   Margaret Therrell, born 1828; died July 16, 1870 in Calhoun County, Ms; married (1) William West; married (2) Terrell Marion Burns 1855.
  iv.   James V Therrell, born 1830; died Aft. 1860.
  v.   Elizabeth Ann Therrell, born 1832; died 1931; married Angus Smith 1848; born 1820; died 1864.
  vi.   Nancy R Therrell, born 1834; died Aft. 1865.

      12. Frances Martin McBride69, born Abt. 1790 in Abbeyville, Sc; died August 11, 1853 in Choctaw Co., Ms.. He was the son of 24. Joseph McBride and 25. Elizabeth Harvey. He married 13. Margaret Wallace 1809.

      13. Margaret Wallace70, born 1795 in Abbeyville, SC.; died December 29, 1870.

More About Margaret Wallace:
Burial: New Hope Presy. Cemetery, Webster Co., MS.
Children of Frances McBride and Margaret Wallace are:
  i.   James W McBride, born July 28, 1810; died January 18, 1892; married Permelia G Gammell 1845; born May 1826; died 1906.
  ii.   Joseph McBride, born June 08, 1812; died December 25, 1898; married Arrena Schaffer; born 1838; died Aft. 1900.
  iii.   Martha McBride, born 1814; died Aft. 1850.
  iv.   John O. McBride, born 1821; died 1880; married (1) Anne Spruce; born 1841; died Aft. 1880; married (2) Casbin 1846; born 1823; died Bef. 1860.
  v.   Elizabeth McBride, born 1825; died Bet. 1880 - 1898; married Robert Shaw 1843.
  vi.   George O McBride, born October 01, 1831; died October 02, 1905; married Amandia Young 1861; born January 14, 1843; died January 24, 1881.
  6 vii.   Thomas Franklin McBride, born April 26, 1832 in Lowndes County, Al; died 1868 in Carroll Co., Ms; married Harriet Estill September 08, 1853.
  viii.   William Tony McBride, born 1834; died 1894; married Elizabeth B Philley 1858; born 1834; died 1879.

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