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Descendants of Elder

Generation No. 2

2. Samuel² Elder (Elder¹) was born Abt. 1756, and died Abt. 1834. He married Mrs. Elder. She was born Bet. 1755 - 1765, and died Unknown.

Notes for Samuel Elder:
The former came with two brothers to America in 1791. Samuel located in Westmoreland Co.

Samuel Elder's will [abstract]: Vol. 2, p. 299
Samuel Elder of Fairfield Twp.
My beloved grandchild Eliza Rodgers.
John Elder Galbriath son of Hugh Galbriath.
To Henry Hice and Samuel Hice, sons of Henry Hice, land in Wheatfield Twp. Indiana Co. My grandchildren Samuel Rodgers, Eliza Rodgers, James Elder Rodgers, Jane Ann Rodgers, William Elder. Appoints John Rodgers and Archibald Matthews Esqr. executors. 21 Feb 1833; witnesses Robert Wallace, John Hill, Mochl. Hay. Proved 7 January 1834.
Possible ships to PA. 1791. Philadelphia Packet Jan 18, Mary June 30, Diana Aug 10, Philadelphia Packet Aug 23, Fair American Sept 12, Pallas Sept 27, Van Stophorst Oct 22,

More About Samuel Elder:
Naturalization: October 01, 1798

Children of Samuel Elder and Elder are:

+	5	i.	Eliza³ Elder, born Bet. 1784 - 1794; died Abt. January 1826 in Wheatfield Township, Indiana Co. PA.
	6	ii.	Boy Elder, born Bet. 1794 - 1800; died Unknown.
	7	iii.	John Elder, born Bet. 1800 - 1805; died Unknown.

Notes for John Elder:
In 1826 when John`s sister Eliza died he took over gaurdian ship of her four children.

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Boy3 Elder, born Bet. 1804 - 1810; died Unknown.

3. William Gore² Elder (Elder¹) was born Abt. 1759 in Leitrim Co. Ireland, and died 1820 in 11 miles from Somerset, Pa.. He married Magdalene Armstrong May 08, 1800, daughter of John Armstrong (Sr). She was born Bet. 1765 - 1780 in Inniskillan, Ireland, and died Unknown.

Notes for William Gore Elder:
William Gore Elder possibly graduated from the College of Medicine in Edinboro, Scotland.
William Gore Elder was the first physician to locate in Somerset Co. PA. about 1797. He married Sunday May 8, 1800, to Magdalena Armstrong, daughter of John Armstrong Sr. a stone mason.

William Gore Elder died in 1820 and his estate file (Somerset Co. 1820-#8) shows the following family: Widow: Magdalena, administrator; Children: Anne, m Dr. John B. Pythian; William E. ; Clifford (settled Johnstown, PA); John Robinson; Samuel Elyzar; and Joseph Henderson Elder. (The last three children were minors at father`s death. Conrad Shultz was named guardian.)
Extracts from "The Herald" ( 7 Sep 1830 issue ): Clifford Elder married Rosanna Benford 2 Sep 1830.
Somerset Co. marriages: May 8, 1800 William G. Elder, Doctor of physic and Magdaline Armstrong, Somerset Town. Witnesses: John Armstrong, Joseph Armstrong, James Armstrong.
Phildelphia Naturilazation Records Vol 3, letter E, 974.811 p33
Willaim G Elder, Gr B-Ireland SC (Supreme Court Pennsylvannia)
Declaration of Intent/Oath of Allegiance 5-27-1799

More About William Gore Elder:
Emigration: Abt. 1791, immigrated from Leitrim Co Ireland to US to Pa.
Naturalization: May 27, 1799, oath of Allegiance Supreme Court Penn.

Notes for Magdalene Armstrong:
Somerset Co. marriages: May 8, 1800 William G. Elder, Doctor of physic and Magdaline Armstrong, Somerset Town. Witnesses: John Armstrong, Joseph Armstrong, James Armstrong.
Magdalene is listed in 1820 and 1840 census for somerset, Somerset twnsp

Children of William Elder and Magdalene Armstrong are:

Anne³ Elder, born Bet. 1801 - 1805; died Unknown. She married John B. Pythian Abt. 1825; born Bet. 1785 - 1808; died Unknown.

More About John B. Pythian:
Occupation: doctor

+	10	ii.		William E Elder, born July 23, 1806 in Somerset, Somerset Co. Pa.; died April 05, 1885 in Philadelphia Pa..
	11	iii.		Clifford Elder, born Bet. 1806 - 1810; died Unknown. He married Rosanna Benford September 02, 1830; born Bet. 1800 - 1811; died Unknown.

Notes for Rosanna Benford:
Rosanna is listed in 1850 and 1860 census for Somerset, Somerset twnsp

	12	iv.		John Robinson Elder, born Bet. 1808 - 1813; died Unknown.
	13	v.		Samuel Elyzar Elder, born Bet. 1809 - 1815; died Unknown.

Notes for Samuel Elyzar Elder:
Was on 1840 census in Somerset, Somerset Co. PA

	14	vi.		Joseph Henderson Elder, born Bet. 1810 - 1817; died Unknown.
	15	vii.		Elizabeth Elder, born Bet. 1812 - 1818; died Unknown.

4. John² Elder (Elder¹) was born April 14, 1762 in Leitrim Co. Ireland, and died March 17, 1849 in or near Matthews Farm near Cramer in Indiana Co. PA. at some point the burial spot was turned into a feedlot and his grave was moved to Armagh. He married Agnes (McManinon) McManimy August 15, 1793 in Big Springs Presbyterian Church, Newville, Cumberland Co. by Rev. Samuel Wilson. She was born 1760 in Ireland, and died August 11, 1834 in Armagh Indiana Co. Pa..

Notes for John Elder:
John Elder from Carrick-on-Shannon, Leitrim Co., Ireland, whose tombstone is located at the old Armagh Presbyterian Church cemetery at Armagh, Pa. His son Samuel is also buried at Armagh.

Elder, John, Native of Ireland. Now resides in Wheatfield Twp. Indiana Co. PA. Was living in US before 29 January,1795 (has lived in US 2 years and PA. 1 year) Vouched for by Joseph McCartney of Wheatfield Twp. Admitted as citizen 20 September 1805. Prothonotary Thomas Hamelton.
The Elder homestead was warranted to John Bolar in 1797, The patent was issued to Daniel Susannah Reynolds in 1825.
John Elder, the First, was born April 14, 1762 in Leitrim Co. Ireland, according to his burial headstone, and his family records. It is presumed that he was born in Carrick on Shannon (formerly Jamestown or Shannon in Leitrim Co. a part of Ulster) because that is recorded as the birthplace of his brother: William Gore Elder. At this time, nothing is known of his parents but it is presumed that his mother`s name was Gore because of the brother`s middle name. It was the practice of the day to use the mother`s family name as middle names. There is a prominent, numerous Irish family named Gore (the anglicised form of the surname of O`Goir). It is presumed that his father or his father`s people came from Scotland because other families named Elder originated in Scotland and became what are known as the Scotch-Irish. This is also presumed because his brother William Gore claims in his family records that he attended the College of Physicians at Edinburgh.
John immigrated to the United States about 1791 with two brothers: Samuel and William Gore. According to the printed 1880 biography prepared by Samuel, one of John`s sons, the brother Samuel located in Westmoreland Co. The second brother, William Gore located in Somerset Co. while John first located in Huntingdon Co. but in 1795 moved to East Wheatfield township of Westmoreland Co. (which subsequently became part of Indiana Co. in 1803) where he lived the remainder of his life.
He died March 17, 1849 age 87 years and is buried on the Matthews farm, located approximately two miles southwest of Armagh, PA., near Cramer, PA. In recent years this burial ground has fallen into a state of complete neglect and the present owner of the Matthews farm has used the burial ground for pig pasture...with the result that most of the headstones have been demolished. The headstone over the grave of John Elder was broken into three peices. All of the inscription appeared on one of the peices and this piece was moved several years ago to the Elder lot in the cemetery of the Armagh Presbyterian church where it now rests against the headstone of some of his descendants.
There is no record to date that the three Elder brothers kept close touch with each other after their arrival in the United States. We have no further record at this time of what may have happened to the brother named Samuel. We have a rather complete record on William Gore Elder who became a prominent farmer located about 11 miles from Somerset, PA. near where he is buried. William Gore Elder was married some years after his arrival in the United States to a Magdalene Armstrong who had also immigrated from Ireland (when she was 12 years old, from Inniskillan, Ireland). He had a large family.
John Elder`s wife was Agness McManimy, according to the 1880 Indiana Co. history biography prepared by his son, Samuel, who also reported that both were natives of Ireland and Episcopalians. She died August 11, 1834, aged 74 years. We don`t know yet where she was buried. We do not know where or when they were married, but it is believed that the marriage took place August 15, 1793 in Cumberland Co. of PA. (see Publications of the Genealocical Society of PA. Vol IX, Page 307, "Cumberland Co. Marriages Prior to 1800) where a John Elder was married on that date to "____ Monemy (?) by the Rev. Samuel Wilson."
He is recorded as one of the early residents of the pioneer settlement at Wheatfield (named from the barrens at that place in the midst of heavy timber, affording good soil for grain) which was a township that originally embraced all that part of Westmoreland Co. north of the Conemaugh river. The first tax assessment of this area was dated 1779, making it one of the oldest mid-Pennsylvania settlements. The first settler was George Findley who explored all of that area in 1764. The first church in the area, the Presbyterian, was organized about 1786. When Indiana Co. was organized Marh 30, 1803, Wheatfield township was switched from Westmoreland Co. to Indiana Co. Later, Wheatfield was divided into two townships and the part where John Elder, the first, lived is now in East Wheatfield twsp, located about three miles directly East of Armagh, PA. on the William Penn Highway, U.S. Highway #22.
Old records show that the pioneer families of this section were named Matthew, Dill, Rodgers, Bolar, Elder, Farmer, Pershing, and Wakefield. The first resident minister was the Rev. James Wakefield. This area also grew because it was located at the crossroads of the original Indian trail which subsequently became a road between the East and the new western territory, which today is the William Penn Highway, located on the ridge which extends through the Alleghenies at this point, and the old Frankstown Road, (named after an Indian Village of that name) extending from the Blackledge river at the North to the Conemaugh at the South. All ot the land was taken up on government warrants.
The Wheatfield residents attracted more Scotch-Irish families who in 1792 founded the present town of Armagh, the oldest borough in Indiana Co., named after Armagh, Ireland, which was the original home of some of the settlers whose names included Falloon, Tombs, and Reynolds. The Armagh Presbyterian church, developed from that at Wheatfield, was organized in 1792 and the present building is the second one built on that site.
In 1807 another town, Shoupstown, was laid out in East Wheatfield, on the old Frankstown road, immediately across the road from the original John Elder property. It was laid out by Henry Shoup and boasted a store and six cabins. When the stage coach pike was constructed by the Commonwealth shortly there after this village was dealt a death blow and Armagh, which became a stage coach stop, prospered and became the community center. Armagh was considered an important town in 1833 when it contained 40 dwellings, four stores and six taverns. A bit later the town also prospered from many small iron furnaces developed in the neighborhood.
The original land of John Elder, designated in old records as a farmer but who also followed blacksmithing as a trade, consisted of about 100 acres and was described in 1837, when John Elder deeded it to his son, Thomas, as "adjoining the lands of the heirs of James Luke on the north, Henry Shoupe on the East, William Kenady on the South and the heirs of General Porter on the West." In deeding the property, John Elder made a contract with his son (Mortgage 508 of Indiana County) wherby Thomas agreed to pay him "$30 on April 1, 1838 and $40 annually on the first day of April each and every year during the remaining natural life of John Elder."
The original John Elder home was a four room log house. The house existed till 1900. The property passed from the Elder family to the Tombs family, and next to Adam Coy, then to John Shrock and later to John Boler. It is now a part of the present Boler farm. It was lived in until late in the 19th century and after its abandonment it gradually disappeared due to people carrying away the logs until today there is only a bare trace of where the original fireplace stood.
John Elder, the first, had six children: William, Margaret, Samuel, John, Elizabeth and Thomas. It is presumed that the daughters died young because there is no record made of their births in the family bible of the son, Samuel, who recorded the biographical dates on his parents and four brothers, because they were recorded as deceased in the biographical record prepared for the 1880 history of Indiana County by the son, Samuel...and there is no other information known about them.
The sons and the dates of their births were: William, born 23 Aug. 1794; Samuel, born 29 May 1798; John, born 16 May 1802; and Thomas R., born 14 Jan. 1806. Below is biographical information about the families of all the sons but John which I have more compete and extended data on at this time. See the notes for the particular son.

More About John Elder:
Immigration: 1791, arrived in US in 1791 with his two brothers

Notes for Agnes (McManinon) McManimy:
It is MacManamy in Co. Roscommon where MacManaway is Probably a Local form.

Children of John Elder and Agnes McManimy are:

+	16	i.	William Gore³ Elder, born August 23, 1794 in East Wheatfield twnshp Indiana Co, PA.; died November 20, 1874 in Moundsville, W Va..
	17	ii.	Maragret Elder, died Unknown.
+	18	iii.	Samuel Elder, born May 29, 1798 in east Wheatfield twnshp Indiana Co, PA.; died November 25, 1889 in east Wheatfield twnshp Indiana Co, PA..
+	19	iv.	John Elder, born May 16, 1802 in East Wheatfield twnshp Indiana Co, PA.; died February 15, 1877 in Homer, Champaigh Co. Ill..
	20	v.	Elizabeth Elder, died Unknown.
+	21	vi.	Thomas R Elder, born January 14, 1806 in East Wheatfield twnshp Indiana Co, PA.; died May 12, 1864 in Post HospitalRock Island, ILL. of Small Pox.

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