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Fleury was born Abt. 1656 in Palantine, Germany, and died date unknown. He married Unknown.

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by Kenneth Florey
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Flory brothers to America in 1754
Johannes Flory (whom Bunderman titles "John I "in his book about Flory families in America) was one of three Florys to arrive upon the ship The John and Elizabeth, commanded by Captain Peter Ham, in the port of Philadelphia on Nov. 7, 1754. Tradition now has it that the other two Florys on board that day, Adolph and John George, were Johannes' brothers. It is not known where the three boarded the ship originally. The John and Elizabeth was registered in Portsmouth, England, but it made Palatinate, Hanau, Wirtemberg, and Rotterdam its main ports of call on the 1754 journey as it sailed down the Rhine to pick up German emigrants.

descended from a Hans Flohri, who arrived with his wife, Apollonia, in Birkenau sometime in the 1640's when the town, devastated by both disease and the aftermath of the Thirty Years War, needed a carpenter, and the mayor and the minister sent out word to obtain one. According to tradition among his current descendants in the town, Hans came to Birkenau, possibly with a brother whose name is not recorded, from somewhere in Switzerland. He seems to have quickly risen to a position of some prominence in his new home. In a list of Birkenau residents in 1655, he is credited with property worth 200 gulden. The 1200 Year Book of Birkenau lists him as Kantzlerin Hofbauer ( "farmer on property owned by the Kantzlerin, the Kantzler's wife") on May 23, 1655 at city hall when a Zentgericht was held because of the unstable conditions in the town. There is only one child recorded for him, Peter Flohri, who was born in 1636 or 1646-the records are conflicting-and was a carriage maker as were many of his descendants. Peter married Anna Stutz in Birkenau on June 20, 1671, and the pair had their first child, Johann (Nicholas Adolph's father), in 1679 and at least five others subsequently including an Adam and a Hans Georg.

May be related to Joseph J. Flory
(our relative) who arrive in 1733
The brothers' arrival in America in 1754 had been preceded by that of another Flory, Joseph J., from Palatinate (possibly Wuertemberg although more likely Bayern) who had sailed on the ship Hope in 1733 with his sons, Johnnes F. (15) and Joseph (J) (19) and his daughters Hanliey (17) and Maria (21). Joseph himself was 51, when he signed his various oaths of allegiance to the King and the Mayor of Philadelphia on August 28 of that year. Bunderman theorizes that this group of Florys was related to the three brothers of 1754-perhaps Joseph was their uncle or, given his age, great-uncle.

1. Such a relationship is possible, although the name "Joseph Flory" has not been found in any town near Birkenau or Schopfheim. Still, there are so few Florys in Germany in the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries that one always has to consider the possibility that any individuals sharing that name might be related.
2. Moreover, the first names of individuals in both the 1733 and 1754 families are peppered with similarities (Johann, Jacob, George, Maria, Elizabeth, Catharina, etc., although, admittedly these were very common names in 18th century Germany), and the state of Virginia seems to have been a popular destination for immigrants of both trees.
3. No records have as yet been uncovered, however, that would indicate any communication between the two families in this country.
4. Joseph's wife, according to LDS records, was born in Bayern, and this indicates one possible area from which his own family may have originated, but there is no known connection of the Birkenau Flohris to Bayern.

More along this same line of research
Bunderman assumed that Flory was a French name and that Joseph's ancestors were Huguenots, who had fled the country following the Massacre of St. Bartholomew on August 24, 1572. But the ancestor of the Birkenau brothers, Hans Flori, who migrated to Germany prior to 1650, was Swiss, not French. Moreover, as research continued into other Flory families in America and Germany, their source was Swiss also. Abraham Flory, founder of the B-Line, came from in Switzerland (in his case, Haegendorf, Canton Solothurn), as did the Floris of Harthausen in Germany. Flori families in St. Ilgen also appear to have Swiss roots. It became increasingly clear, then, that whatever similarities there were between the names "Flory" and "Fleury," that the immediate source of the Flory name was probably Switzerland, not France, and that it would be fruitful to look for Joseph's origins in that country. There was another issue. Joseph's ancestors could have been Swiss, but was Joseph actually Swiss born himself?

Where there was a record of a substantial number of Joseph Florys, however, was in the Kirchenbuch of the village of Matzendorf in the Canton (state) of Solothurn in the northwest and German speaking portion of Switzerland, within the Jura Mountains. The Kirchenbuch covers not only Matzendorf, but also the neighboring villages of Herbetswil and Aedermannsdorf, which did not have their own separate parishes until late in the 18th century. The name of Joseph Flory (in the form of "Fluri") first appears in the records in about 1650, but becomes extremely common quickly thereafter. Between 1671 and 1690, the parameters surrounding Joseph's assumed birth date of 1681 or 1682, there were no fewer than 13 Josephs born in the area including a Joseph born to Peter Fluri and Anna Christ in 1678, another to Claus Fluri and Maria Stampfli in 1681, another to Joggi (familiar name of Jacob) and Maria Fluri (whose family name, like that of her husbands, apparently was Fluri.) in 1681, another to Johannes Fluri and Anna Meister in 1682, and one born in 1684 to Johannes and Maria Fluri. The name continues to be popular into the first part of the 18th century, at a time when the American Joseph had a son by that name. The only problem with this plethora of Josephs is that it is virtually impossible to distinguish the records of one Joseph from another. I am told that the Fluris of the area cannot compute their own family histories from the Kirchenbuch alone and have to resort to civil records to find links. At any rate, the area seemed to be extremely promising, the only difficulty being that their were too many possibilities and that without additional information it was difficult to link any children born later to any specific Joseph. The search was put aside for the moment when the Flory/Flora/Florey/Flori/Florea Website project was started.

What we needed to return to the search was some sort of break, and we needed information to link one of these Josephs (if indeed one of these Josephs was the one whom we sought) to the profile that we had on the American Joseph. This profile involved the fact that the 1733 immigrant may have come over here for religious reasons rather than to earn his fortune--he was at least 51 and had some money (he paid for a minimum of 6 ship passages on the Hope, not an inconsiderable amount, and he seems to have left a decent sized estate after being here but a few short years). Thus his reasons for emigration were probably not economic. Joseph may have been Mennonite/Anabaptist, for he moved to a section of Pennsylvania where there was extensive Mennonite/Anabaptist activity, and some of his children were baptized at the Conestoga Congregation, a known "Dunker" or Anabaptist church. Immigrants did not move into areas by accident. He was probably also a farmer, not a merchant or craftsman, since he started a farm almost immediately upon his arrival to this country. He brought with him at least 4 children according to the ship list (Mary, 21, Joseph, 19, Hanliey, 17, and John, 15) in addition to a wife, so the Joseph we were looking for needed to have children who could have been about that age in 1733. Of course, if Joseph were Anabaptist, the likelihood of finding baptismal records would be difficult, since Anabaptists did not believe in infant baptism, and hence no records of his children's births might be extant. Walter Bunderman also speculated on the basis of other records that Joseph might have brought with him on ship two younger children, Jacob and Barbara. He also suggested that Joseph's wife had another child named Katherine on the passage over here, and gave birth to a final child, Abraham, after the couple had settled in Lancaster County in Pennsylvania.

A possible break in our search came when I received an email from Anton Fluri, a present-day resident of Matzendorf, who was responding to the website and the questions that were raised about Joseph's possible origin in that area. Mr. Fluri, who is interested in local history, pointed out the following for my information:

(1) The Fluri (or Flury) name has a long history in Switzerland, especially in the Canton of Solothurn. The Swiss Familiennamenbuch lists 23 towns or villages where Fluris (or Flurys) are known as citizens prior to the beginning of the nineteenth century. Records from the Matzendorf parish indicate the presence of a Fluri in Herbetswil at least as early as 1508 and that several Fluris were living in the village of Matzendorf itself in 1515. So there were Fluris in the area long before the Huguenots were massacred in France.

(2) Many of these Fluri villages (including, Matzendorf, Aedermannsdorf and Herbetswil) are surrounded by the Jura mountains, which contain farms known as Sennhoefe that are cared for by alpine farmers known as "Senn." These alpine farms are far away from the villages, and some of them even today have but narrow and simple paths to the "outside world." In the winter, they are often isolated for weeks. These farmers generally had far more communication with each other than with people in the villagers, and they often traveled great distances in the mountains to interact with one another and, at times, to intermarry. Their lifestyle differed from that of the villagers, and many practiced a different sort of religion. Some of them became Taufers, a type of Anabaptist. It appears that some of these Taufers stayed nominally Catholic and participated to a degree in at least a portion of the big events of village church life such as marriage, baptism, and funerals. Economically, a Senn was generally better situated than an ordinary farmer or laborer

(3) There is a record of an Arnold Fluri who, prior to 1602, owned an alpine farm in the region called Solterschwang. Solterschwang is technically part of the village of Aedermannsdorf, although it is in the hills above it, near the bishop's territory. And here is where the story becomes particularly interesting. There are records of Arnold's having received several "punishments" from officials in Solothurn and also from the district governor in Delsberg (Delemont today, the capital of the Canton Jura) for Anabaptist activity. Arnold also had a son named Hans, who was forced to leave the territory in 1603 (or 1608--the records are unclear) because of the fact that he "was inclined towards Anabaptism." Hans fled towards the Bishop's Territory (the Canton of Berne) before he could be captured by the officials of the Canton of Solothurn In 1602, Arnold's grandchildren wanted the right to settle in the area as it was "their grandfather's will," so apparently they had not left the region with their father.

There are other indications in local records that this family continued to have difficulty with local authorities because of their Anabaptist tendencies. In 1622, 10-15 local Anabaptists were put in prison for their beliefs. Included among the group were Hans Fluri and Joggi (Jacob) or Joerg Kummer from the Solterschwang. According to Anton Fluri who has consulted an expert on early Anabaptism in the region, a phrase in the records ("Der halsstarrige Wiedertaufer Fluri soll gefangen bleiben, aufpassen dass er nicht entrinnt") indicates that Hans Fluri was a bedrock Anabaptist. Furthermore, the Matzendorf Kirchenbuch (church book) notes that on September 7, 1633 that Barbara Fluri from Solterschwang "died without sacraments, to the guilt of her husband." This condemnation does not conclusively prove that the Fluris of the alpine region were still Anabaptist, but it is highly suggestive.

(4) The next known record of a Fluri in Solterschwang is that of a Joseph Fluri, who, with his wife, Catharina Fluri, baptized at least two children at the parish church in Matzendorf, a Joseph Fluri on March 15, 1711 and an Urs Johann on October 3, 1716. In my own research, I have found at least four other Fluri couples with a husband named Joseph and a wife named Catharina who have children during the same period, but this particular Joseph is the only one designated in the local Kirchenbuch as having come from Solterschwang. One other note--church records of the time generally listed a woman by her maiden name, even if she was married. The fact that Joseph's wife is listed several times as "Fluri" is a strong indication that a Fluri married a Fluri.

(5) There do not seem at this point to be any records of Joseph in the area after 1716, but another Fluri appears on the records in 1732. A Franz Fluri is listed as having three children, Maria Elizabeth on July 30, 1732, a Johann Jacob on October 23, 1733 and an Anna Theresa on March 2, 1736. His wife's name was Anna Habegger. Franz Fluri appears to be from Wiler (Envelier), a part of the community of Vermes (French speaking) in the Canton of Jura, which was at one time part of the Canton of Berne. Vermes, incidentally, is an area known for a number of families with the name Fleury, but there are indications that some Fluris in Wiler (Envelier) changed their name to Fleury around the year 1650. It is unclear as to what connection, if any, there was between Joseph (or Catherine) and Franz, who appear to be about a generation apart in age. If Franz occupied Joseph's property, and there is no indication that this is the case, it would be a strong argument for the fact that Joseph had left the area in plenty of time to board the Hope in 1733. Again, however, the connection between the two is not clear.

My immediate thought was that the Solterschwang Joseph could be our Joseph who came to America in 1733 and founded the C-line. The similarities were very intriguing. Both were farmers in probably relatively good financial circumstances (the Swiss Joseph is identified in church records as a Senn or farmer); both were associated in one way or another with Anabaptists (The Swiss Joseph may have had at least three Anabaptist ancestors, two of whom were punished for their beliefs--at least he came from a region in which Anabaptists had been active--and the American Joseph, who may have been Anabaptist himself, had several children who were baptized at the Conestoga Congregation in Pennsylvania and were affiliated with the Dunkers, an Anabaptist type church); and both had children named Joseph and John, who were born in the same sequence approximately the same number of years apart. Where they differed was that Swiss children were two to three years older than their American counterparts as indicated by the ship lists of the Hope. Also the Swiss Joseph had a wife named Catharina, not Mary, who was the surviving widow of the American Joseph.

The latter difference should not be troublesome. The only two references to the American Joseph's wife, Mary, were on the "A" passenger list of the Ship Hope in 1733, where she is listed under her maiden name of Anna Maria Bugh (Pugh), and in the property inventory taken after Joseph's death in 1741. If Bunderman is right in assuming that this Mary was the mother of a Jacob 1727, a Barbara in 1732, a Catharina in 1733, and an Abraham in 1735, she would have had to have been younger woman than Joseph's original wife. Basically Joseph first had a group of four children, all born about two years apart, did not have a child again until 9 years later, and then had a second grouping of four children in the space of 8 years. This is likely the pattern of a man having more than one wife. Moreover, this second wife would probably have been a younger wife than the first--one who was likely to have a number of children in a relatively short period of time.

The second problem was that the Swiss Joseph's sons were about two to three years older than their American counterparts. At this point, though, this was a minor stumbling block, just as long as the Swiss counterparts to the other Florys on board the Hope (Mary and Hanliey) were also consistently two years or so older than ship records indicated. Additionally, one might wonder how the name of the Swiss "Urs Johann" got transformed into simply "John." Keep in mind, however, that if a German of the period was given a middle name, he went by that middle name for the remainder of his life, not by his first name. He signed all legal documents, including wills, with his middle name, not his first name. Even marriage records would sometimes drop the full name in favor of a middle name. Urs is a common Swiss name of the time coming from the Latin Ursus or "Bear." At any rate, the name Urs Johann would have quickly become Johann or John.

A close examination of the Matzendorf church records proved that Anton Fluri's information was correct, that a Joseph and Catherina Fluri from the Solterschwand did have a child named Joseph born on March 15, 1711 and another named Urs Johann on October 3, 1716.

Flory Name
Latin was the official language of the Roman Empire back in 27 B.C. - Florio is the ancient name and town in Italy, based on the latin "Flor".

The name Flory in Germany was often spelled "Flori" - also following the same spelling in Switzerland, primarily near the canton of Solothurn in Switzerland near the French border. In an old German area of Switzerland, there is a reference of our name appearing as "Uf Der Fluri" or, translated in English, from the land. "Flur" in German is a word for agraric land or pasture.

In France, "Fleury" means "from the land of flowers" -- and there is mention of a town names Fleuri. A coat of arms was adopted by the French poet and statemean, Claude Fleury. During the years between 1653-1743, the crest was carried by the Royal Cardinal, (starting with?) Andre de Fleury.

Children of Fleury and Unknown are:
  1. +Joseph J. Flory, b. 1682, Palantine, Germany, d. Oct 1741, Rapho, Lancaster Co, PA.
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