| i. | SAMUEL3 PAINTER, b. May 04, 1816, Fleming, KY; d. February 04, 1906, Topeka, KS, Buried at Bethel Presbyterian Cemetery (2 1/2 miles South of Tecumseh, Kentucky); m. NANCY JANE VINKIRK, January 07, 1840, n. Carlisle, Nicholas, KY; b. Abt. 1825, Montgomery County, Kentucky; d. August 27, 1909, Topeka, Kansas, Buried at Bethel Presbyterian Cemetery. |
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Notes for SAMUEL PAINTER: 1860 Census, McDonough County, Sciota Township, Illinois. Farmer, value of real estate $3,300, personal 1010. Samuel Painter ,44,m, KY Nancy,35,f,KY James H.,19,m.KY Mary E.,16,f,IL John (?),14,m.IL Elija F.,11,f,IL George,9,m,IL Mysouri,7,f,IL Martha,4,f,IL Sarah F,1,f [Etta Nancy was born in 1863] Painter / Pointer e-mail -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Subj: Nancy Vinkirk/Samuel POINTER To: tomlambert@aol.com I noted your query regarding Nancy Vinkirk and Samuel PAINTER. I have some information regarding this family, most of which came from Janet Sulzburger who died several years ago. Notice that you spelled it PAINTER and I spelled it POINTER. Therein lies the problem. It would appear that Samuel and his descendants had a mixture of the spelling which has led to much confusion. That Samuel was the son of Solomon POINTER seems to be accepted from various records. Solomon was the son of Samuel Potts POINTER. Samuel Potts POINTER gave a deposition to Lyman Draper which is found in the Draper Manuscripts. Samuel indicates that he was born in Loudon Co. VA c. 1769, raised by grandparents in the Brownsville PA area after 1776. This may indicate that his father was serving in the military, but most likely reflects that his mother had died. Samuel P. indicates in the statement, that his father remarried and moved to KY. Samuel was working on the Ohio River for a period of time and later settled in the Fleming Co. area of KY. Samuel Potts Pointer's grandchildren sued Samuel's children in Fleming Co. Court over a perceived spending of their inheritance by their grandfather who had raised them after their parents death. These documents listed Samuel's children and some of his grandchildren. A number of the children ended up in the Bath/Nicholas Co. area, but some eventually moved into Indiana and later Missouri and Kansas. The majority of Samuel Potts POINTER's descendants who bear the surname, now spell it POYNTER. However, some of the ones who descended from Solomon seem to have used the spelling PAINTER which has added to much confusion, if one accepts all of the research that has been done. There is much verification necessary, however you would quickly understand where the problem comes from if you saw the documents I have seen regarding these POINTERs. In particular, the copyists for the Fleming Co. court have copied nearly all of the Samuel Potts POINTER documents with the spelling of PAINTER. However, Draper is very clear about the name, and the majority of the male descendants have continued to use either the POINTER or POYNTER spelling. In one document, both Samuel Potts Pointer and his son Samuel Gregg Pointer have signed the document. Samuel Sr. very clearly has spelled his name POINTER, Samuel Jr.'s signature is just as clearly PAINTER. Thus you may have had trouble finding your records. In my records (I have been researching all POINTERs and POYNTERs for years) I have to carry this line as POINTER until the last 100 years where they changed it to POYNTER because I could never find them in a sort if they are spelled PAINTER as some documents show them. As for the Samuel/Nancy family, they married in Nicholas Co. on 7 Jan 1840. Samuel was born 4 May 1816 in Fleming Co. He died on 4 Feb 1906 in Topeka KS. According to my records he was in Putnam Co. IN in 1860, was a Farmer and mailcarrier and was in Cass Co. Missouri as well as in Big Spring, KS. Your Samuel's parents were Solomon & Mary "Polly" Adams POINTER. Solomon was born in 1795 Fleming Co., KY, married Mary on 22 Sep 1814 in Bath Co. and he died after 1860. Samuel's siblings included Isabell, Hannah S., and Sophia. The father of Solomon was Samuel Potts Pointer b. 1769, died Nov 1849 in Fleming Co. KY. We do not know who Solomon's mother was. Solomon went to Indiana with his daughter Isabel and her family. I believe they were in Boone Co. This family did include a marriage or two between the Boone families as well as the Adams family from VA. It would appear that two of Samuel Potts POINTER's marriages were to a Wrenche and to a Darnell. He is buried in the Darnell Cemetery, I believe. I'm not sure he had children by either of these wives, but that needs further research. It is believed that he divorced his third wife. That record should be available in Fleming Co. I do have more information on these lines but it is late and I am trying to give you an outline of what is known about these lines. Hope this helps. Linda Pointer, Columbus, OH ================= I have something kind of fun for you. This was written by Frances Painter Campbell and read at the fifth annual reunion of the Painter family at Lawrence, Kansas, September 12th, 1926. OUR PAST Sometime in the early part of the Nineteenth Century, and somewhere in the state of Kentucky, two weddings occurred at two different times and places. Our interest still centers in those weddings. The first was that of Soloman Painter and Mary Adams. There were four children born to this couple: Samuel Painter, Sophia Painter, Hannah Painter and Isabelle Painter. Since there is no one here but us, I will say that Soloman Painter belonged to the poorer class of easy going Kentucky farmers. In these days I fear they might be classed as poor whites or Hill Billies. Sophia Painter married Eldredge Hughes and emigrated to Missouri, Hannah Painter married Samuel Hamilton and lived in Indiana; Isabelle Painter married a deaf and dumb man named David Arnett; and they also lived in Indiana. Some of the children of those families came to Missouri after the Civil War. Whenever you meet anyone wearing the name of Hughes, Hamilton or Arnett go a little easy and treat them with consideration for they may be a dear relative. The other wedding was that of Matthias VinKirk or VanKirk as it was called in after years, and Elizabeth Wilson. She was a distant relative of Daniel Boone. Hence our fighting blood. They belonged to the well-to-do farming class and--if you please-- lived in a hewed, double log house and owned a very valuable negro named Dave. Now please don't tell anyone but there were sixteen children in this family. I am not sure whether there were five boys and eleven girls or six boys and ten girls. Two of that large family are still living at this date; Mrs. Mary Kimes, age ninety-three years, or Holton, Kansas and Mrs. Adelia Stoner, age ninety-one, of Youngstown, Illinois. There were so many in the family they were not given double names; or mayhap it was not the custom then. The names of the boys were: John, James, Jack, Henry and Matthias. The girls names were: Sally, Nancy, Deborah, Mary, Adelia, Ann, Amelia, Kitty Ann and Rebecca. The two last mentioned died at early childhood. Kitty Ann died from burns received by her clothing catching fire. Two others died in infancy. As their names are gone from my memory I cannot tell their sex, as in those day, the names told the story. Among the names, acquired by the marriage of the daughters, we have Hawkins, Painter, Beckner, Kimes, Stoner, Perry and Tracy. When you meet up with those names be on your guard and best behavior for reasons given above. After the death of Matthias VinKirk the family moved to Illinois and nearly all except the Painters grew quite well-to-do or wealthy. And now comes the third wedding and the one in which we are virtually interested: That of Samuel Painter, only son on Soloman and Mary Painter, and Nancy VinKirk, second daughter of Matthias and Elizabeth VinKirk. This wedding took place in the aforementioned, hewed, double log house on the seventh of January eighteen hundred and forty in the presence of three hundred guests. The bride had attained the ripe age on fourteen years, eight and one-half months. The groom was twenty three. They began their home life in Kentucky; moved to Indiana and after one and one-half years there went to the then sparsely settled, wild region of Illinois. They stayed there twenty-five years and did their share in subduing and peopling that part of our country. They then moved to Missouri just after The Civil War and helped in reconstruction of that state. In eighteen seventy six they moved to Kansas where they spent the remainder of their lives. Samuel Painter died at the age of eighty-nine and eight months and Nancy Painter at the age of eighty four years and four months. Now I hope there are no eaves droppers around for I must tell the painful truth. There were twelve children in this family, four boys and eight girls. The eldest, James Henry Painter, who became known in his adult life as the Rev. J.H. Painter, was born in Kentucky. All the rest were born in Illinois. One boy, Thomas Albert, and girl, Adelia Eveline, died in early childhood; while an infant daughter lived but a brief two hours and died without receiving a name. James Henry Painter married Katherine Carter and they were the parents on one boy and five girls. Four girls are now living. For his second wife he married Mr. Nannie R. Piper, who survives him. Mrs. Elizabeth Painter married James Phillips. She died at the age of sixteen leaving an infant daughter. She is Dora King Spawr and is still living. John William Painter married Maggie Lower. There were three boys and six girls; three boys and four girls are still living. George Washington Painter married Minnie B. Duncan. Their family of four sons and one daughter are all living. Anna Missouri Painter married John W. Moore. Their one son is still living. Martha Isabel Painter married Charles S. McArthur. One son and three daughters are all living. Sarah Frances Painter married Larkin Campbell. Their one daughter is living. Nancy Etta Painter married George A. Lambert. Of a family of three sons and two daughters, two sons and two daughters are now living. Time and space forbids me to follow the Painter family through all the generations, but I must introduce our latest arrival: Glen Alden Painter; son of Eugene Davern Painter; son of Fred Alden Painter; son of George Washington Painter; son of Samuel Painter; son of Solomon Painter. Six generations that mine eyes have seen. Painters Present: George, Minnie, Ella, Fred, Maxine, Sam, Elsie, Dorothy, Ray, Sophia, Ruth Elmira, Buell, Virginia, Gene, Flossie, Glenn Alden, Maggie, Loran, Etta, Claude, Margaret, Ruth. Formerly Named Painter: Eliza Bennett, Anna Moore, Isabel McArthur, Frances Campbell, Faustina Guy Other Relatives Present: George Bennett, Louis Bennett, Daisy Bennett, Helen Grover, Virginia Grover, Gene Moore, Ed Guy, Frances Millward, Gladys Wilson, Kendall Knowles, Mr. Hodgett, Arthur Yennie, Anna Yennie, Charles Yennie, Frances Yennie, Isabel Yennie, Richard Yennie. ==================== From Lisa Murphy 10-13-1999 In her book, Stay With It Van, Dorothy Painter Crawford recalls this about her grandparents, Samuel and Nancy Painter: "Papa's parents, Grandma and Grandpa Painter, lived with our Aunt Frank near Lecompton, which was just a few miles from Big Springs and near Topeka, the state capital. Aunt Frank was a schoolteacher and the wife of Uncle Larkin, who taught in the Indian school at Chilloco. We always remembered Grandma Painter as an invalid. She has dropsy and was confined to a wheel chair. Because of the nature of the disease, Grandma looked like a big, fat woman. To the side of her, Grandpa Painter was a small man. he was not a big man anyway but had loud, clear, penetrating voice. Being hard of hearing he would speak loud. My first memory of Grandpa Painter is the time when I clung to Mama in fright, thinking that Grandpa and his oldest son, Henry were going to have a fight. Uncle Henry was also deaf from an experience in the war and they were shouting at each other. I thought they were mad. When they grew tired of shouting, they would resort to hand sighns of the deaf-and-dumb language." |
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More About SAMUEL PAINTER: Fact 1: Bethel Presb. Ce, Tecumseh, KS |
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Notes for NANCY JANE VINKIRK: Listed on the Death Certificate of Etta Nancy Lambert as Vinkirk. Other important references have her as VanKirk. |
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More About SAMUEL PAINTER and NANCY VINKIRK: Marriage: January 07, 1840, n. Carlisle, Nicholas, KY |
| ii. | ISABELLE POINTER, b. Abt. 1819, KY; d. December 11, 1866, n. Parkersburg, IN; m. DAVID ARNETT, September 24, 1836, Bath, KY; b. Bet. 1801 - 1804, KY; d. March 1865, IN. |
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Notes for ISABELLE POINTER: Listed as 41 years old in Census of 1860. Children (according to 1860 Census) Mary E. 21 Indiana David S. 19 Indiana Samuel W. 6 Indiana Jocob N Smith 3 also lived with the family |
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Notes for DAVID ARNETT: Subj: Re: Samuel and Nancy Painter Date: 7/2/1999 8:21:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time From: foxhaven@rmi.net (foxhaven) To: TOMLAMBERT@aol.com Dear Tom, Thanks for all the information. I visited your user page and didn't see anything else that helped. I also spent a little more time in the file that you sent to me. I do not find Linda Pointer's e mail address and would appreciate very much if you would send that to me. It turns out that I have letters from her in my file, back in 1991. I would love to connect with her again. Also, on Solomon you might want to make some additions to your notes pages. He was listed in the 1860 census age 63, born KY, in Montgomery County, IN living in David and Isabel Arnett household. Putnam county where Samuel and Nancy lived for a while, is directly south of Parkersburg Indiana where Isabel lived. When my mother and I visited the land the first time there was a very old barn, built with square nails and wood pegs at the joints, rocks for a foundation. It was surely built by Isabel's husband David. It blew down a few years after our visit. Thanks again. marge fox Subj: Re: Samuel and Nancy Painter Date: 6/30/1999 9:06:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time From: foxhaven@rmi.net (foxhaven) To: TOMLAMBERT@aol.com Dear Tom, We are cousins of the distant sort then. Do you know where you got the David and Isabel Arnett information? I would love to find any of their descendants. I am in contact with several and would happily share information with anyone. The Painters figured large in our family history. Isabel and David died young, leaving Mary E Arnett who soon married James Wilcox, and later married some Price and has gone missing since about 1870, in Missouri and Kansas, south of Kansas City, and the three boys. David, Samuel and Jacob were pretty young, and Samuel Newton Arnett was in the Indiana School for the Deaf, (Mary was also deaf and studied there.) There are extensive probate records in Montgomery County Indiana that detail what happened to these three. David Solomon Arnett went to Missouri and was helped by Samuel and Nancy Painter to get established in farming there. Jacob Washington Eldridge Arnett was boarded with Hamiltons and Hughes (Isabel's sisters) and later with an unrelated family who did not take good care of him. He was not sent to school and was made to work the sugar maple business. After getting established in Missouri, David S. Arnett went back to Indiana and got the two younger boys and took them by mule cart all the way from Indiana to Missouri. This last bit is the story that was handed down to my mother from Jacob W E Arnett, her grandfather. When we found the David S Arnett branch they had not heard of their ancestor's care of his younger brothers (of course, that would have been bragging, wouldn't it?) and in fact thought they were out of Illinois. So, I want to let you know this story of your grandparents Samuel and Nancy and their part in helping Isabel's orphaned children. It is a nice story and nice to meet you this way. You are the Thomas Wayne Lambert, b 1938, Fresno, right? I have Family Tree Maker 5.0 also. I would love to have what ever you have on Samuel and Nancy's generation, including siblings, on back. Have you been researching long? I moved to Indiana in 1987, jogging my mother's memory and started then. New to the internet research though. My Painters are not loaded into my program yet. My descent is: Jacob Washington Eldridge Arnett LeRoy Polk Arnett Irma Lee Arnett Ervin Marjorie Ervin Fox b 1950 MO 716 25 1/2 Road, Grand Junction, CO 81505 970-241-5523 (fax970-241-4933) foxhaven@rmi.net |
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More About DAVID ARNETT and ISABELLE POINTER: Marriage: September 24, 1836, Bath, KY |
| iii. | HANNAH S. POINTER, m. SAMUEL HAMILTON, February 03, 1841, Fleming, KY; b. Abt. 1820. |
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More About SAMUEL HAMILTON and HANNAH POINTER: Marriage: February 03, 1841, Fleming, KY |
| iv. | SOPHIA PAINTER, b. Abt. 1826, Fleming, KY; d. IN; m. ELDREDGE HUGHES, September 10, 1846, Nicholas, KY. |
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Notes for SOPHIA PAINTER: Listed as 34 in the 1860 census. |
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Notes for ELDREDGE HUGHES: Shingle maker. Children listed are according to 1860 census. All born in Kentucky except Eliza, who was born in Indiana. |
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More About ELDREDGE HUGHES and SOPHIA PAINTER: Marriage: September 10, 1846, Nicholas, KY |
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