Ancestors of Timothy (James) McVeigh, Oklahoma City Bomber
Generation No. 1
1.Timothy(James)McVeigh, Oklahoma City Bomber, born April 23, 1968; died June 11, 2001 in TERRE HAUTE--(FRENCH FOR "HIGH LAND") INDIANA, UNITED STATES. He was the son of 2. BillMcVeigh.
Notes for Timothy (James) McVeigh, Oklahoma City Bomber:
The Aryan Republican Army, Elohim City, and the OKC Bombing
The Aryan Republican Army, Elohim City,
and the OKC Bombing
"Don't ever forget Bob Mathews and don't ever forget the
'Order'... because that's what's gonna happen again
soon.... It's coming again!.... Revolution is coming!....
It's coming sooner than you think!"
-- Dennis Mahon, July, 1991, Aryan World Congress, Hayden
Lake, Idaho.
THE ORDER & THE ARYAN REPUBLICAN ARMY
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'The Order' will go down in history books as one of
the most violent and notorious domestic terrorist groups of
the 1980s. 'The Order' was founded in 1983 by Robert J.
Mathews, a recruiter for the neo-Nazi National Alliance and
an activist in the Aryan Nations. 'The Order' drew its
members from the National Alliance, Aryan Nations, and
various Klan splinter groups throughout the country.
Adopting a racist ideology and paranoid world-view, 'The
Order' began to commit acts of terrorism, robbery, fraud,
murder, and theft in an ongoing wave of crime that it's
members viewed as a revolution against the 'Zionist
Occupied Government.' Many of the hate-fueled terrorist
acts such as bombing federal buildings and murdering
minorities are described in William Pierce's novel The
Turner Diaries, the same book that Timothy McVeigh
allegedly used as a blueprint for the OKC Bombing. It's no
surprise that the author of the book is a prominent member
of the National Alliance.
The 'Order' even launched a successful
counterfeiting operation at the Aryan Nations compound in
Hayden Lake, Idaho, as well as master-minded a series of
bank and armored car robberies that netted them around
$5,000,000. The 'Order' seemingly perished in December 1984
when Robert Matthews held off 200 law enforcement officers
for over 36 hours before he was killed by gunfire. On
December 30, 1985, nine men and one woman - all members of
the group - were convicted following a four-month Federal
court case in Seattle. They were sentenced to terms of
40-100 years in prison, as well as given stiff fines.
Despite the convictions and the martyrdom of Matthews,
followers of 'The Order' remain in the Aryan terrorist
underground today. (notably Mark Thomas, James Ellison, and
Dennis Mahon)
Emerging from the ashes of 'The Order', a disturbing new
terrorist sect has mobilized in the United States. The
group is adopting the 'Leaderless Resistance' structure of
impenetrable underground cells. [1b] Calling itself the
Aryan Republican Army, the group represents the most
paramilitary and radical of the American neo-Nazi movement.
It is committed to the overthrow of the US government, the
extermination of America's Jews, and the establishment of
an "Aryan Republic" on the North American continent. "We
call ourselves the Aryan Republican Army because in some of
our tactics, and some of our goals, we have modeled the
organization after the successful and yet undefeated Irish
Republican Army," said Commander Pedro [1], in a self-made
video titled ``The Aryan Republican Army Presents: The
Armed Struggle Underground.'' [4]
The FBI discovered this terrorist cell by accident
earlier this year while investigating a string of 18 bank
robberies in the Mid West. [1] The bank bandits made off
with upwards of $500,000 before the FBI caught on to them.
With a tip from a confidential informant, the FBI
was able to pinpoint one of the bank robbers, Richard Lee
Guthrie Jr., member of the Aryan Republican Army. Guthrie
was arrested on Jan 15, 1996. Two days after his arrest,
Guthrie told FBI agents they could find co-conspirator Pete
"Commander Pedro" Langan in a duplex at 585 Reinhard Ave.
on the South Side. On Jan 18, 1996, agents surrounded the
house and arrested Langan after a brief shootout. [2]
Guthrie struck a plea bargain with the authorities
and fingered Scott Stedeford, Kevin McCarthy, and Aryan
Nations leader Mark Thomas, as accomplices in the bank
robberies, all of whom have since been arrested by the
authorities.
McCarthy plead guilty to three robberies and agreed
to testify against the others, while Stedeford was
convicted of bank robbery in Iowa in November 1996 (and
faces thirty years in prison). Langan was convicted in
Columbus, Ohio, on February 10, 1997. Richard Lee Guthrie
was found hanged in his jail cell shortly after he struck a
plea bargain and fingered the other Aryan accomplices.
Mark Thomas was brought up on charges by a Grand
Jury. The Grand Jury indictment says Thomas "recruited
young people at his residence....to rob banks and commit
other crimes on behalf of the Aryan Republican Army," [3]
Thomas has since said he believed McCarthy, a
skinhead he once described as a son, was an accomplice in
the Oklahoma City bombing. He said Richard Guthrie told him
as much in July 1995.
"His exact words were: 'Your young Mr. Wizard took out the
Murrah Building,'" Thomas said. [3]
On February 18, 1997, Thomas plead guilty to
conspiracy charges of plotting seven (of twenty-two) bank
robberies and using the funds to further the cause of the
Aryan Republican Army.
Also arrested on Jan 30, 1997 in
connection with the case was Michael
Brescia of Philadelphia. Typical of the
gang's robberies, authorities say, was a
bank heist in Madison, Wis., on Aug.
30, 1995. Brescia carried a
black-powder pipe bomb into a Bank One
branch and threatened customers and
employees with a 9mm pistol, and
proceeded to rob the bank of $9,845.
[4] Internet postings and a civil suit
by some survivors of the bombing have
accused Brescia of being an accomplice
in the Oklahoma City Bombing.
Aside from robbing banks, the terrorist cell
stockpiled weapons and ammunition, and had every
opportunity to orchestrate a terrorist bombing. The FBI
captured a shoulder-fired rocket launcher, Semtex
explosives, hand-grenade canisters, 11 pipe-bombs, and an
arsenal of guns. "These people had a support system. They
had safe-houses and very good false documents," said Mike
Reynolds, senior intelligence analyst at the Southern
Poverty Law Centre, which monitors Right-wing violence
across the country. "They were clearly preparing for
something beyond bank robberies." [1] As foretold by Dennis
Mahon at the 1991 Aryan World Congress, 'The Order' was
coming back, this time in the form of 'The Aryan Republican
Army.'
ELOHIM CITY - BASE OF OPERATIONS
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"When they (the FBI) find out what I've really been doing
the past two years, they'll really be surprised."
--Pete 'Commander Pedro' Langan, 1996
Elohim City is a 400-acre compound located near
Muldrow, Oklahoma, about thirty-five miles northwest of
Fort Smith, Arkansas. It was founded in 1973 by Robert
Millar, a Canadian who preaches that white Anglo-Saxons are
God's chosen people, non-whites are descendants of
pre-Adamic species lower than whites, and Jews are Satan's
children. Two dozen of Millar's 34 grandchildren reside at
Elohim City, making up about a quarter of the resident
population. Elohim City is considered a hotbed of terrorist
activity. In 1983, members of Elohim City plotted to blow
up the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building, which is
documented later in this article. Members of the Aryan
Republican Army used the seperatist compound as a base of
operations in the years before the OKC bombing, where they
mingled with other anti-government extremists, likely
including the elusive John Doe #2 suspect.
In 1994, Michael Brescia moved to Elohim City where
he shared a one-story house behind the compound's chapel
with Andreas Strassmeir, a former German army lietenant and
head of security at Elohim City. By the time Brescia left
Elohim City in 1995, investigators say, he, Stedeford,
Guthrie, and McCarthy were active in the Aryan Republican
Army. [4] At least five active members of the Aryan
Republican Army operated out of Elohim City in 1994 and
1995, and each of these members were in direct contact with
Andreas Strassmeir, who is suspected to be John Doe #2.
McCarthy and Stedford used to stay with Andreas
Strassmeir when they came through Elohim City for R&R
between bank robberies. In fact, they were with him at
Elohim City immediatly before the bombing in April 1995,
according to McCarthy's statement to the FBI [29]
STRASSMEIR -- ELOHIM CITY RESIDENT / JOHN DOE #2
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As of yet, Strassmeir has not been identified as a
member of the Aryan Republican Army, however, he was
acquainted with Brescia, McCarthy, Stedford, and other
members of the Aryan Underground. According to Robert
Millar (Spiritual Leader at Elohim City), "Strassmeir and
Brescia were buddies." In a phone interview with John Cash,
Strassmeir said he liked Brescia because ``he had a lot of
self-confidence'' and was ``a smart guy''. [20] Strassmeir
also trained members of the Aryan Nations at Elohim City,
and provided instruction in security measures. According to
ATF Informant Carol Howe, "Strassmeir talked frequently
about direct action against the U.S. government, he trained
in weaponry, and he discussed assassinations, bombings and
mass shootings." [20]
Just Who is Andy the German?
Andreas Carl Strassmeir is the son of Guenter
Strassmeir, "the architect of German reunification" who
was once a top aide to German Chancellor Helmut Kohl.
Andreas Strassmeir spent seven years in the German army,
serving with the Panzer Grenadiers and an elite German
intelligence unit. Part of his work was to detect
infiltration by Warsaw Pact agents and then feed them
disinformation.
Strassmeir told the London Telegraph that "I've never
worked for any U.S government agency, and I've not been
involved in any intelligence operation since my discharge
from the German army in 1988." But he acknowledged he first
lived in the U.S. in 1989 because "I was hoping to work for
the operations section of the DEA. It never worked out."
More revealingly, he noted that "the right-wing in the U.S.
is incredibly easy to penetrate if you know how to talk to
them. Of course it's easier for a foreigner with an accent.
Nobody would ever suspect a German of working for the
federal government."
Strassmeir was assisted in his unsucessful attempts
to get jobs with the DEA or INS by Vinvent Petruskie, a
retired Air Force Colonel and (Strassmeir says) CIA agent
for whom Strassmeir arranged to buy used Boeing 747s from
Lufthansa. Strassmeir received a social security number in
1989 in Virginia, and obtained a Tennessee driver's license
in 1992, using a Knoxville address provided by his attorney
Kirk Lyons. In 1991 some members of the Texas Light
Infantry Brigade, a citizen's militia, followed Strassmeir
to a federal building and observed him entering it at night
using the key-pad. [20, 22]
After obtaining false documentation and a drivers
license, Strassmeir was still unable to find a job (other
than government informant). Because Andy could not legally
obtain a job, and because of his apparant intrests in
'alternative lifestyles', Andy moved to Elohim City in
1993. At that time, he had lived in the United States
illegally for five years.
Zara Patterson III, a long time resident of Elohim
City, summed up Strassmeir's intentions as equally ominous.
"From the moment Andy got here (mid-August 1991) all he
wanted us to do was illegal stuff. I had to keep telling
Andy that we were defensive here... not offensive. I had to
keep telling him that we didn't want any trouble with the
Feds."
"I never saw anyone so eaten up with military stuff
as Andy was," recalled Zara Patterson III. "I was in the
Marines, but Andy was like nothing I ever saw before. He
said he wanted to take over security and training here at
EC, and I said fine. It was one less headache for me."
According to an FBI intelligence report, Strassmeir's spent
his time at Elohim City fortifying and operating a
terrorist training facility.
A May 10, 1995 FBI investigative report says:
"Strassmeir is alleged to train platoon-sized
groups consisting of approximately 30 to 40
individuals approximately every three months at
the Elohim City facility. These individuals are
comprised of members of various militia groups
throughout the United States."
Strassmeir spent much of his time at
Elohim City in 1995. He associated with
members of the Aryan Republican Army
and James Ellison's CSL. After the OKC
Bombing Strassmeir fled the compound
with fellow Elohim City residents Pete
and Tony Ward. Pete Ward and Tony Ward
would later be named by Carol Howe and
Dennis Mahon as OKC Bombing suspects.
After making his escape from E.C. with the Ward brothers,
it is not clear how Strassmeir managed to leave the
country. (considering he had no passport or identification
papers) However, In a letter to the McCurtain Gazette from
Strassmeir's attorney, Kurt Lyons, Lyons says his client's
sudden departure from the U.S. was aided by members of
Germany's elite counterterrorism unit, GSG-9.
Dennis Mahon, Tulsa representative of the White Aryan
Resistance, has named the Ward brothers as being possible
OKC Bombing accomplices. When shown an artist's sketch done
by ABC News of the person that a witness in Kansas said
used the name of Bob Kling, Mahon didn't hesitate, "That's
Pete Ward." [11] "Ward," Mahon explained, "was known at
Elohim City as 'Andy's shadow'...Ward went everywhere
Strassmeir did and is dumb as dirt." Carol Howe also
identified Pete and Tony Ward as OKBOMB accomplices when
she was debriefed by the FBI at the Oklahoma Command
Center, on April 20, 1995. [30]
In 1992, Catina Lawson, who lived in Herington,
Kansas, remembers seeing Strassmeir along with Timothy
McVeigh, whom she dated. Lawson recalled that Strassmeir
"liked to dress in black, and he was real cold and
arrogant--a real jerk." Two other witnesses, Larry and
Cathy Wild, say they saw and talked with Strassmeir at a
lake north of Herington the week before the OKC bombing
[21] Both of these witnesses indicate that Strassmeir was
in Kansas during the same time frame that McVeigh was, and
that he very well may have been with McVeigh during the
weeks before the bombing.
It is the belief of this writer that John Doe #2, the
second unidentified subject in the April 19th 1995 bombing,
is none other than Andreas Strassmeir. The evidence shows
that Strassmeir spent seven years in the German army,
served in the Panzer Grenadiers, and participated in covert
activities such as detecting infiltration by Warsaw Pact
agents and feeding them disinformation. Just what was Lt.
Strassmeir doing in America from 1992-1995? Why was he at
Elohim City arming and training Aryan Nations members? Did
Strassmeir work as an agent provacateur and informant in
the bombing, on behalf of the Federal Government, in an
attempt at a sting operation gone awry? The time in which
Strassmeir served as head of security at Elohim City placed
him in a situation to make direct contact with Timothy
McVeigh, Michael Brescia, Pete Ward, Tony Ward, Kevin
McCarthy, Scott Stedford, Pete Langan, and Dennis Mahon,
and other terrorists.
Was Strassmeir part of a plot, or an operation? Strassmeir
had this to say about the OKBOMB case:
"It's obvious that it was a government 'op'
that went wrong, isn't it? The ATF had something
going with McVeigh. They were watching him, of
course they were. What they should have done is
make an arrest while the bomb was still being
made instead of waiting till the last moment for
a publicity stunt. They had everything they
needed to make the bust, and they screwed it up."
"Whoever thought this thing up is an idiot, in my
opinion. I am told they thought it would be
better to put a bigger bomb in there. The bigger
the better. It would make them more
guilty....McVeigh knew he was delivering a bomb,
but he had no idea what was in that truck. He
just wanted to shake things up a little; you
know, make a gesture."
"The bomb was never meant to explode. They were
going to arrest McVeigh at the site with the bomb
in hand, but he didn't come at the right time...
Maybe he changed the time, you never know with
people who are so unreliable."
"I have heard that the truck was expected in the
middle of the night, between two and three in the
morning. The truck had a transmitter, so they
could track it with a radio receiving device. I
don't know how they could have lost contact. I
think there was misinformation that the operation
had been canceled."
One wonders where Lt. Strassmeir gets his information.
From personal experience perhaps?
THE JOHN DOE #2 MYTH
====================
The Federal Government's version of the OKC Bombing
states that Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols built a bomb,
then McVeigh drove it by himself to OKC and delivered it.
Upon examination, this case is very weak. First of all,
more than 10 individuals saw McViegh in Oklahoma City on
April 19th and each individual saw him driving in the Ryder
truck with other suspects. It has been proven that Terry
Nichols, the government's only other suspect in the
bombing, was at home on April 19th, 1995. So, just who were
these other men with McVeigh in the Ryder truck? The
logical conclusion is John Doe #2, and possibly a third,
fourth or fifth individual. However, the FBI says that John
Doe #2 doesn't exist. Here is their version, taken from an
Associated Press article:
"After a massive search, the government said it
had determined that John Doe 2 was an Army
enlisted man who had no connection with the
bombing. Agents said the man had been at the same
truck rental facility in Kansas around the time
that McVeigh rented the truck."
The assertion that John Doe #2 was merely an Army
enlisted man with no connection to the bombing is a false
one. The FBI says that Army Private Todd Bunting, who
visited Elliot's bodyshop on April 18th, was the man seen
with McVeigh. This is impossible. Two men entered Elliot's
Bodyshop on Monday, April 17th, 1995. The first man, tall
and slender, was thought to be McVeigh. The second man was
shorter, with a stocky build, wearing a baseball cap. Three
employees saw the second man, and each one seperatly
provided their description of the man to FBI agents on
April 20th, 1995, just three days after they saw him. Each
witness was positive that they had seen John Doe #1 and
John Doe #2. The FBI's is lying when they say that John Doe
#2 is a Todd Bunting, who does not look like the artists's
composite, and had visited Elliot's on Tuesday, not Monday.
Also, the FBI's investigation of John Doe #2 was in
no fashion a "massive search." An FBI memo written weeks
after the investigation by San Francisco-based FBI agent
Thomas Ravenelle writes "The Oklahoma City Command Post has
directed all offices to hold (John Doe No. 2) leads in
abeyance." [33]
Abeyance means inactivity, or suspension. This
memo indicates that FBI agents suspended their search for
the elusive Oklahoma City bomb suspect John Doe No. 2 in
the critical weeks soon after the April 1995 blast, belying
assurances by federal officials at the time that the search
was continuing. Was the FBI protecting Andreas Strassmeir,
who is suspected to be John Doe #2? Stephen Jones,
McVeigh's trial attourney summed it up best when he said:
"It was the grand jury that found there were
others involved in this crime," Jones noted. "But
the government stopped looking for the other main
suspect and ignored what its own grand jury said
because that finding and the existence of John Doe
No. 2 is inconsistent with the prosecution's
theory."
So, we know that the FBI did not properly
investigate John Doe #2 witnesses or leads. The FBI lied
about John Doe #2. We know also that the FBI ignored the
Grand Jury's findings. According to an Oklahoma City
Bombing Grand Jury members, "There were at least five men
ID'ed by witnesses as being on the scene the morning of the
bombing." [34] (Many of these eyewitnesses are detailed in
Appendix C, 'OKBOMB Eyewitnesses')
Why was the FBI hiding John Doe #2? Why did the FBI
propose the ridiculous Todd Bunting theory, which should be
called "John Doe #2 Myth", as it is pure fabrication. The
cover-up of John Doe #2 and lack of proper investigation is
a testament to the integrity of the FBI, whose performance
in the OKBOMB case is a travesty of justice.
OKC: THE FIRST PLOT (1983-1985)
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"It has the potential, down the road, of being the most
dangerous group (Elohim City) in the country."
--Kerry Noble (former member of Covenant, Sword, Arm of the
Lord)
Residents of Elohim City being connected with plots
that were intended to blow up the Murrah building did not
begin with the Aryan Republican Army. On April 19th, 1985,
exactly ten years before the bombing of the Murrah building
the FBI and ATF raided members of James Ellison's Covenant,
Sword, and Arm of the Lord group. Ellison is now married to
Reverend Robert Millar's granddaughter and lives at Elohim
City.
The 1985 raid on Elohim City became a siege that
lasted four days before members of the group surrendered to
authorities. After the raid, while preparing a sedition
case against Ellison, U.S. Assistant attourney Steven N.
Snyder, in Fort Smith, Arkansas learned that a plot to blow
up the building had existed as early as 1983. [13] Ellison
admitted in court that he had been involved in a plot to
bomb the Murrah Building. Another member of conspirator in
the 1983 bombing plan was Kerry Noble, now an anti-neo nazi
activist. Nobles said "In 1983 we cased the [Murrah]
building, and made plans to blow up that building." [23]
Richard Wayne Snell, another member of the Covenant,
was a co-conspirator with Ellison and Nobles. Snell has
since been convicted and put to death for the murder of a
black police officer and a businessman he believed to be
jewish. [14] Richard Wayne Snell was executed on April
19th, 1995. The Denver Post reported Arkansas prison
official Alan Ables as saying that before Snell's execution
on the day of the bombing he had "repeatedly predicted that
there would be a bombing or explosion on the day of his
death." Snell also reportedly "chuckled and laughed as he
watched television coverage of the Oklahoma City disaster."
[13]
DENNIS THE MENACE
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"Timothy McVeigh is my hero.
Wish we had a thousand more like
him. He took action."
--Dennis Mahon
Another person who was living at Elohim City at the
time of the bombing was Dennis Mahon. Mahon is a 47-year
old white male currently living in Tulsa, Oklahoma. In the
past, Mahon was the imperial dragon of the Oklahoma Ku Klux
Klan [8] and held a similiar position in the Missouri Ku
Klux Klan [35] but is currently the #3 man in the White
Aryan Resistance which he helped organize. Mahon writes
articles and speeches for racist organizations and
publications across the United States. Mahon also operates
a telephone news line he has dubbed "Dial-A-Racist", where
he spreads information and propaganda with racist
overtones.
Mahon has been subpoened to appear before the
Oklahoma City Bombing Grand Jury several times and in each
case he did not answer any questions, instead asserting his
fifth amendment right to refuse to answer questions that
would incriminate him. In a deposition taken by John Cash,
as detailed previously, Mahon made incriminating comments
about Pete Ward, Tony Ward, Michael Brescia, Andreas
Strassmeir, and himself. In the deposition, Mahon said that
Pete Ward was constantly with Andreas Strassmeir, and that
Pete Ward heavily resembles the John Doe #1 police sketch.
Mahon has also told Ambrose Evans-Pritchard that he had
met Timothy McVeigh several times. [31] Mahon was also a
known associate of Andreas Strassmeir and members of the
community at Elohim City, placing him in a position to make
contact with members of the Aryan Republican Army, and
other Oklahoma City Bombing suspects. Andreas Strassmeir
described Dennis Mahon as "a good friend."
Ironically, Mahon is currently distancing himself
from the very people detailed in this article. In a
December 19, 1998 Dial-A-Racist recording, Mahon
characterized Mark Thomas and James Ellison as "race
traitors" and suggested that they be tried for treason.
It's no wonder Mahon is distancing himself from these
people as they are the very suspects in the 1983 OKC
Bombing plot and 1995 OKC Bombing plot, the latter of which
Mahon is also a suspect.
In an April 21, 1995 debriefing at the Oklahoma City
FBI Command Center, it is stated that Dennis Mahon had
discussed "targeting federal installations for destruction
through bombings, such as the IRS Building, the Tulsa
Federal Building, and the Oklahoma City Federal Building."
ATF informant Carol Howe said that Mahon and
Strassmeir had "taken three trips to Oklahoma City in
November 1994, December 1994, and February 1995." She had
accompanied the group once, in December 1994. [32] Howe's
assertations about Mahon and Strassmeir are corroborated by
ATF Special Agent Angela Finley, under oath, on April 24,
1997. [36]
So, the ATF has admitted to the substance of Carol
Howe's claims. The ATF knew that Andreas Strassmeir had
discussed blowing up federal buildings in Oklahoma. It knew
that a party from Elohim City (including Dennis Mahon, who
has met Timothy McVeigh) had visited Oklahoma City four
weeks before the Oklahoma City bombing. And, just as in
1983, the target of the Elohim City terrorists was the
Alfred P. Murrah federal building.
It has also been alleged that Mahon knew Timothy McVeigh.
It's no secret that Mahon sees McVeigh as a hero, in his
own twisted way. What is more incriminating is the fact
that JD Cash has Dennis Mahon on tape discussing the
bombing, saying things like "Michael Brescia and Mark
Thomas are up to their asses in the bombing." When Cash
told Mahon that Andreas Strassmeir was an intelligence
agent, Mahon responed by cursing "Oh sweet jesus, I'm
fucked!" This tape, alleged to have been made by journalist
John Cash, is a valuable piece of evidence. If it's
contents are true then it means that Mahon knows something.
The only question now is "How much did he know, and when
did he know it?"
THE KEHOE CONNECTION
====================
On July 17, 1997, a $20
million bond was set by an Ohio
Judge for Chevie Kehoe, former
resident of Elohim City. [27]
Kehoe was detained for
questioning in the slayings of
Tilly, Ark., gun dealer David
Mueller his wife Nancy, and her
daughter, Sarah Elizabeth Powell,
8. The three disappeared in
January 1996. Their decomposed
bodies were dredged from the
Illinois Bayou near Russellville,
Ark. [15]
Kehoe is believed to have used a .223-caliber rifle,
stolen from Meuller, when he fired 26 shots during the
second shootout with two Wilmington police officers at the
Clinton Electrical and Plumbing Supply. The reader may
recognized this shootout as it has been featured on
