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Ancestors of Margaret May Harvey

      303700. William IV De La Spineto, born Abt. 1324 in of Coughton Court, Warwickshire; died Unknown. He was the son of 607400. William III De La Spineto and 607401. Joan ? De Cocton. He married 303701. Alice Bruley Abt. 1346.

      303701. Alice Bruley, born Bef. 1326; died Unknown. She was the daughter of 607402. William Bruley.

More About William La Spineto and Alice Bruley:
Marriage: Abt. 1346

Child of William La Spineto and Alice Bruley is:

151850

Sir Guy De La Spineto Kt Lord Of Coughton, born Abt. 1350 in of Coughton Court, Warwickshire; died Unknown; married Katherine Holt.

      303702. John~ Holt, born Abt. 1324 in of Yardley, Worcestershire; died Unknown. He married 303703. Alianore Durvassal Abt. 1351.

      303703. Alianore Durvassal, born Abt. 1328 in of Yardley, Worcestershire; died Unknown. She was the daughter of 607406. Nicholas Durvassal Lord Of Spernore and 607407. Rose De Mountford.

More About John~ Holt:
Forename Variant: Sometimes called Walter

More About John~ Holt and Alianore Durvassal:
Marriage: Abt. 1351

Children of John~ Holt and Alianore Durvassal are:

		i.		Walter Holt, born Abt. 1352; died Unknown.
	151851	ii.		Katherine Holt, born Abt. 1354 in of Yardley, Worcestershire; died Unknown; married Sir Guy De La Spineto Kt Lord Of Coughton.

      303704. John De Olney, born Abt. 1320 in Haversham, Northamptonshire; died Unknown. He was the son of 607408. Sir John De Olney Lord Of Haversham and 607409. Maud De Haversham. He married 303705. Dionysia Adderbury.

      303705. Dionysia Adderbury, born Abt. 1317 in of Adderbury, Oxfordshire; died Unknown.

Child of John De Olney and Dionysia Adderbury is:

151852

Sir John De Olney Lord Of Weston, born Abt. 1360 in Haversham, Northamptonshire; died Unknown; married Margery~ Bosome.

303708. John Bosome, born Abt. 1344; died Unknown. He was the son of 607416. Alexander Bosome.

Child of John Bosome is:

151854

William Bosome, born Abt. 1368 in Roxford, Bedfordshire; died Unknown; married Margaret~.

      309376. Sir William I Fiennes, born 02 Feb 1331/32 in Hurstmonceaux, Sussex; died 30 Nov 1359. He was the son of 618752. John II Fiennes and 618753. Maud De Monceaux. He married 309377. Joan De Say 12 Nov 1351 in Sawbridgeworth, Hertfordshire.

      309377. Joan De Say, born Abt. 1325 in Sawbridgeworth, Hertfordshire; died 29 Jun 1378. She was the daughter of 618754. Sir Geoffrey IV De Say Baron Say and 618755. Lady Maud Beauchamp.

Notes for Sir William I Fiennes:
William Fiennes, Viscount Saye and Sele 1st, b. 1582, is a descendant (number of generations not known) of William Fiennes, b. c1330.

More About Sir William I Fiennes:
Burial: Unknown, Hurstmonceaux, Sussex

More About Joan De Say:
Burial: Unknown, Hurstmonceaux, Sussex

More About William Fiennes and Joan De Say:
Marriage: 12 Nov 1351, Sawbridgeworth, Hertfordshire

Children of William Fiennes and Joan De Say are:

Unknown Generations Of Fiennes, died Unknown.

Notes for Unknown Generations Of Fiennes:
William Fiennes, Viscount Saye and Sele 1st, b. 1582, is a descendant (number of generations not known) of William Fiennes, b. c1330.

	ii.	John Fiennes, born Abt. 1356; died Unknown.
154688	iii.	Sir William II Fiennes, born 01 Aug 1357 in of Hurstmonceaux, Sussex; died 18 Jan 1402/03; married Elizabeth Battisford Abt. 1382 in Wartling, Sussex.
	iv.	Robert Fiennes, born Abt. 1359; died Unknown.

      309378. William Battisford, born Bef. 1337 in Of Wartling, Sussex; died Unknown. He married 309379. Margaret Peplesham.

      309379. Margaret Peplesham, born Bef. 1341; died Unknown.

Child of William Battisford and Margaret Peplesham is:

154689

Elizabeth Battisford, born Abt. 1363 in of Wartling, Sussex; died 18 Jan 1404/05; married Sir William II Fiennes Abt. 1382 in Wartling, Sussex.

      309380. Sir Robert IV Holand Baron Holand, born 1312 in of Broughton, Buckinghamshire, and Thorpe Waterville; died 16 Mar 1372/73 in Halse, Brackley, Nottinghamshire. He was the son of 570722. Sir Robert II Holand Kt Baron Holand and 570723. Maud La Zouche. He married 309381. Elizabeth~.

      309381. Elizabeth~, died Bef. 16 Mar 1372/73.

More About Sir Robert IV Holand Baron Holand:
Title or Name: Baron Holand 2nd

Children of Robert Baron Holand and Elizabeth~ are:

	i.	Robert V Holand, died Unknown.
154690	ii.	Sir John Holand, Kt, born in of Brackley, Nottinghamshire, and Thorpe Waterville; died Aft. 1393.
	iii.	Maud Holand, born 1356; died 1423; married Sir John VI Lovel Baron Lovel Of Titchmarsh; born in of Titchmarsh, Northamptonshire; died 1408.

More About Maud Holand:
Alternate Lineage: See both wives of John Lovel

309390. Robert De Ufford, born Abt. 1335 in Of Horsfordburgh, St Margarets, Norfolk; died Unknown. He was the son of 467058. Edmund De Ufford and 467059. Sibyl De Pierrepont.

Children of Robert De Ufford are:

	i.	Ela De Ufford, born Abt. 1375; died 1400; married Richard Bowett; born Abt. 1371 in Of Wrentham, Suffolk; died Unknown.
154695	ii.	Joan De Ufford, born Abt. 1377 in Wrentham, Suffolk; died Unknown; married Sir William Bowes.
	iii.	Sybil De Ufford, born Abt. 1380; died Unknown.

      309408. John IV Sutton⁸⁸⁷, died Unknown. He was the son of 618816. Sir John III Sutton Baron Dudley and 618817. Catherine Stafford. He married 309409. Jane.

      309409. Jane, died Unknown.

Child of John Sutton and Jane is:

154704

Sir John V Sutton Baron Dudley, born Abt. 1380 in of Coleshill, Warwickshire; died 29 Aug 1406; married Constance Blount Abt. 1400.

309410. Sir Walter Blount, Kt, born 1348 in of Barton, Derbyshire; died 21 Jul 1403 in Shrewsbury. He was the son of 618820. Sir John Le Blount and 618821. Isolda Mountjoy. He married 309411. Sancha De Ayala Abt. 1371.

309411. Sancha De Ayala⁸⁸⁸, born Abt. 1360 in of Toledo; died 1418 in Newark, Leicestershire. She was the daughter of 618822. Diego Gomez De Toledo Senor De Casarrubios and 618823. Inez Alfonsa De Ayala.

Notes for Sir Walter Blount, Kt:
Kin of Mellcene Thurman Smith
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6. Sir Robert le Blount, who was witness to a charter of Hilton Abbey in Staffordshire in 8th of Henry III, 1223. He wedded Isabel, called daughter of Tracy, feudal lord of Odingsells, and acquired the manor of Belton in the County of Rutland as a part of that lady's portion. He died 17th of Edward I, anno 1288. He left two sons, Ralph, Lord of Belton, whose descendants adopted the name of Croke, but the name Blount survived in the descendants of his younger son,

7. Sir William le Blount, who espoused Lady Isabel de Beauchamp, daughter of William de Beauchamp, 1st Earl of Warwick, widow of Henry Lovet in County Worcester. He died 9 or 10 of Edward II, 1315-16. His second son was

8. Sir Walter le Blount of the Rock, County Worcester, married Johanna, 3rd sister and co-heir of Sir William Sodington (who died 30 of Edward I, anno 1301), and thus became the proprietor of the manor of Sodington in County Worcester. He died in 1322 and was succeeded by his son, Sir William, who died in 1337, and was, in turn, succeeded by his brother,

9. Sir John le Blount, then 39 years of age, and inherited the castles in Hereford and Stafford Counties and Sodington and Timberlation in County Worcester. He was in service of the Earl of Lancaster and had obtained from that nobleman a grant for life of the manor of Passingham in County Northampton and had lands in Derby and Gloucester. He married 1st Isolde de Mountjoy, 2nd Eleanor de Beauchamp, widow of John Meriot and daughter of John Beauchamp of Hacche or Hatch in County Somerset. He left at his decease in 32 of Edward III, anno 1358, a son,

10. Sir Walter Blount, who about this time began to omit the prefix "le" to their name, calling themselves Blount only. He was called "the Heroic" and was so celebrated for his martial prowess in the war-like times of Edward III, Richard II, and Henry IV and immortalized by the muse of Shakespeare for his devotion even unto death to King Henry IV. Sir Walter Blount fell at the battle of Shrewsbury on the 22nd of June, 1403, wherein being standard bearer, he was arrayed in the same armour as his royal master, and was slain, according to the poet by the Earl of Douglass, who had supposed he was contending with the King himself.

The excerpt from Shakespeare follows:

Blunt: What is the name, that in the battle thus thou crossest me? What honour dost thy seek upon my head?

Douglass: Know then my name is Douglass; and I do haunt thee in battle thus, because some tell me thou art king.

Blunt: They tell thee true.

Douglass: The Lord Stafford, dear today hath bought thy likeness; for instead of thee, King Harry. The sword hath ended him; so shall it thee, unless thou yieldest thee as my prisoner.

(They fight and Blunt is slain) Enter Lord Percy, called Hotspur.

Hotspur: O Douglass, hadst thou fought at Holderness thus I never had triumphed on Scot.

Douglass: All's done. All's won. Here breathless lies the King.

Hotspur: Where?

Douglass: Here.

Hotspur: This Douglass? No, I know full well: A gallant knight was he, his name was Blunt. Semblably furnished like the King himself.

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In this battle the renowned Percy likewise met his doom. Having thus rehearsed the version of the gallant soldier's death, we retrace our course to detail some passages in his eventful life. In 1367 we find Sir Walter Blount accompanying the Black Prince and John of Gaunt (sons of Edward III) upon the expedition into Spain to aid Peter the Cruel, King of Castile. Here he chose his wife in 1372 from amongst the ladies in the suite of Constantia of Castile (eldest daughter of Peter and his successor on the throne and who became the consort of John of Gaunt). Her name was Donna Sancha de Ayala, the daughter of Don Dugo Gomez of Toledo, chief justice of Toledo and principal secretary of the Kingdom of Castile, by his wife, Inez Alfon de Ayala, one of the most ancient and illustrious houses of Spain. John of Gaunt at his decease appointed Sir Walter Blount one of his executors and bequeathed him a legacy of 100 marks (�66-6s-8d). In 1374 Sir Walter's half brother, Sir John Blount of Sodington, conveyed to him numerous manors which he had inherited from his mother, Isolde, heiress of the Mountjoy family, in Counties Derby, Stafford, Leicester and Hertford. By his wife, Donna Sancha, who survived him, and lived until 1418, he left 3 sons and 2 daughters.

11. Constantia Blount (evidently named for the daughter of Peter the Cruel), married John Sutton Lord Dudley (Generation No. 9 in Sutton line).
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More About Sir Walter Blount, Kt:
Burial: Unknown, St Marys, Newark, Leicestershire
Cause of Death: killed in battle
Lineage: 3rd son
Military: 21 Jul 1403, Killed at the Battle of Shrewsbury

Notes for Sancha De Ayala:
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From: Nat Taylor <ntaylor@FAS.HARVARD.EDU>
Subject: Re: Sancha de Ayala (again)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 00:39:07 GMT

School has now started and I have fallen behind by a note here. In
response to earlier discussion of the Ayala genealogical manuscripts, I
accept Todd's arguments (use of "nieto", etc.) that the variant MSS are
not necessarily mutually contradictory, given a descent of Maria
"Rodriguez de Guzman" from Diego Garcia de Toledo as in Rodriguez
Marquina. I am keenly interested in these manuscripts and hope to pursue
them further at some other time--it remains to be seen whether all the
existing derivative manuscripts are consistent with this filiation for Dia
Gomez de Toledo/Guzman, but as Rodriguez Marquina accepts Dia Gomez'
parentage from Pedro Suarez as given, Rubincam can definitely be chucked
on that point.

If Salazar y Castro had Pero Lopez de Ayala's explicit statement of Dia
Gomez' parentage on hand (and he copied it himself), then why did he get
this wrong in his own work? Bad dog!

In article <43k6fo$oks@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, taf2@po.CWRU.Edu (Todd A.
Farmerie) wrote:

> For what it's worth, there
> were the following de Toledo families, all (except maybe the first two)
> having nothing in common except being neighbors, and all attempts to trace
> them to common parentage are exercizes in invention. Names somewhat
> arbitrary: 1. Illan de Toledo - descended from a Julian/Illan, this was the
> first Toledo mozarab family to gain prominence under the christian kings,
> and some way has been invented to trace each of the other lines from this
> one in either male or female lines. 2. Alvarez de Toledo - possibly a
> branch of the former, if not ?. This family reached greatest prominance of
> the various de Toledo families. 3. Garcia de Toledo - descended from
> Abdelasis ben Lampeter. 4. de Toledo de Orgaz - descended from the
> Abd-al-Malik clan. 5. Gomez de Toledo - Sancha's family, traced by
> Rodriguez Marquina (who unfortunately does not discuss his reasons for
> making this connection) to Pedro Gomez Barrosa.

Javier Rodriguez Marquina's "Linajes Mozarabes de Toledo en los Siglos XII
y XIII," in _Genealogias mozarabes: ponencias y comunicaciones presentadas
al I Congreso Internacional de Estudios Mozarabes, Toledo, 1975_ (Toledo:
Instituto de Estudios Visigotico-Mozarabes de San Eugenio, 1981 (serie B,
no. 1)) contains most of these lines, and I am not impressed by the
presentation (it is in some ways reminiscent of Salazar y Castro, who felt
the need to derive every major noble family in the male line from royal
stock) but they do make overall a more sensible attribution of various
people styled "de Toledo" into these lineages than did Salazar y Castro.
Unfortunately, the impetus behind this collection was to document the
descent of all these lines from original "mozarabic" forbears, so there is
inevitable forcing of links. You may note on the reverse of the contents
page the pretentious seal of the "Corporation of the Noble Families of
Mozarabic knights".

These Toledan families are far from being sorted out satisfactorily. It's
too bad that Vajay's citation of the opinion of David E. Masnata y de
Quesada, Marques de Santa Ana y Santa Maria, on the marriage of Ines, dau.
of Diego Garcia de Toledo, is not backed up by any published study of the
family that's better than this one. The Garcia de Toledo/Ramirez de
Guzman alliance (if there is one) is still murky.

This notwithstanding, Rodriguez Marquina's charts do provide corroboration
of the revised Pedro Suarez de Toledo ancestry for Sancha, as well as
various allied lines.

> -----------------snip---------------------

> I think your suggestion of an ahnentafeln for Sancha may present the best
> way to work through all the lines. I'll start:
>
> 1.Sancha de Ayala, m. Walter Blount
> 2.Diego (Dia) Gomez de Toledo (de Guzman)
> 3.Ines Alfonso de Ayala
>
> OK, now it's your turn :)

OK, here we go:

4. Pedro Suarez de Toledo (I buy this)
5. Maria Rodriguez de Guzman
6. Fernan Perez de Ayala
7. Elvira Alvarez de Ceballos
---
8. Fernan Gomez de Toledo
9. Teresa Vasquez
10. Ramiro de Guzman (Juan Ramirez de Guzman?) *
11. Maria Garcia (de Toledo) *
12. Pero Lopez de Ayala, +1328
13. Sancha (Fernandez) Barroso
14. Diego Guttierez de Ceballos
15. Juana Garcia Carrillo
---
16. Gomez Perez, Alguacil mayor of Toledo
17. Orabuena (Gutierrez?)
18-19.--
20. ** [Juan Perez de Guzman]
21. ** [Maria Ramirez de Cifuentes]
22. Diego Garcia de Toledo, alcalde mayor of Toledo, +1322
23. Maria Garcia (?)
24. Sancho Perez de Ayala, "el Motila", +1288
25. Aldonza (de Velascuri) (but see a previous message on her)
26. Fernan Perez Barroso
27. Mencia de Sotomayor (?)
28. Ruy Gonzales de Ceballos
29. Maria Fernandez de Cabiedes
30. Garcia Gomez Carrillo, Lord of Manzuelo (fl. 1312)
31. Elvira Alvarez Osorio

*, ** 10 & 11 are as identified by Rodriguez Marquina in the table
opposite page 36. 20 and 21 are, however, as in GC (though GC's
identification of 11 is ignored). I am not entirely happy with the Guzman
ancestry above no. 10. The lineage in GC, "Guzman" (vol. 42), line 2,
seems patched together. And the tables in "Genealogias mozarabes" only
show Maria Ramirez de G's father as a "Ramiro de Guzman" (from her
patronymic) not "Juan Ramirez" as in GC. If GC is sound here, why did
Rodriguez Marquina not make this identification? And if Juan Ramirez's
wife (11) in GC seems fictitious (she doesn't fit into the Toledan
families detialed by Rodriguez Marquina), then why can we accept GC's
identification of 21? Do you have other evidence for the Guzman /
Cifuentes generations in your Alfonso IX descent?

Next generation, please? :)

Nat Taylor

More About Sancha De Ayala:
Forename Variant: Donna Sancha De Ayala

More About Walter Blount and Sancha De Ayala:
Marriage: Abt. 1371

Children of Walter Blount and Sancha De Ayala are:

Sir Thomas Blount I Baron Mountjoy, born 1378 in Elvaston, Derbyshire; died 1456 in Elvaston, Derbyshire; married Margaret Gresley Abt. 1413 in Elvaston, Derbyshire; born 1393; died Unknown.

More About Sir Thomas Blount I Baron Mountjoy:
Political: Treasurer of Normandy
Title or Name: Baron Mountjoy ?

More About Thomas Baron Mountjoy and Margaret Gresley:
Marriage: Abt. 1413, Elvaston, Derbyshire

	154705	ii.		Constance Blount, born Abt. 1380 in of Barton Blount, Derbyshire; died 23 Sep 1432; married (1) Sir Hugh IV Hastings Baron Hastings 1395; married (2) Sir John V Sutton Baron Dudley Abt. 1400.
		iii.		Sir John Blount, KG, born Abt. 1389; died 1414; married Alice De La Bere Abt. 1401 in Elvaston, Derbyshire; born Abt. 1385 in of Kinnersley Castle, Herefordshire; died Abt. 1440.

More About John Blount and Alice La Bere:
Marriage: Abt. 1401, Elvaston, Derbyshire

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