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      240. William* Black82,83, born 1698 in Letterkenny, County Donegal, Ireland; died 1763 in Mecklenburg County, NC. He was the son of 480. Rev John*^ Black and 481. Jane Or*~ Jean. He married 241. Martha*~ Gillespie in probably County Donegal, Ireland.

      241. Martha*~ Gillespie, born 1705 in probably Letterkenny, County Donegal, Ireland; died 1775 in probably North Carolina.

Notes for William* Black:
[myersfamily3.GEDjuly05.GED]

A WORD ABOUT DISCREPANCIES IN THE RECORD OF THE BLACK FAMILY

There were multiple William Blacks, Thomas Blacks, etc, within this famil y, not to mention from other families also from Ireland who were living ne ar our ancestors in the Carolinas. Thus, it is difficult sometimes to so rt these people out when reviewing the records. They are often confused w ith each other. Duplication and error are unavoidable and awareness of th ese issues is required when examining Black family information. ---RCM
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More About William* Black:
Burial: Naylor Place, Matthews, NC
Forename Variant: William Black, Sr
Immigrant Ancestor: 1730, Ireland to PA
Migration: 1730, Ireland to PA
Probate: Apr 1764, Mecklenburg County, NC
Property: 1756, purchased land in Mecklenburg County, NC
Residence: 1756, Mecklenburg County, NC
Will: 05 Oct 1763, Dated
Will Administrator: 1763, William Black [son?] and John Allen

  Notes for Martha*~ Gillespie:
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Posted By: Bob Gillespie
Subject: The true origin of the Gillespie name
Post Date: December 16, 2000 at 10:11:45
Message URL: http://genforum.genealogy.com/gillespie/messages/2041.html
Forum: Gillespie Family Genealogy Forum
Forum URL: http://genforum.genealogy.com/gillespie/

The Gillespie name is ancient, its origins dating probably from 5th centu ry Ireland. The name is made up of two Gaelic words, Filid, a Druidic Bar d, and Asbuig, a Bishop.

"FilidAsbuig" = Gillespie

The Filid were druidic bards, attached initially to the courts of the Iri sh tribal kings, known as the Rig. The Rig had an honour price in a leg al system where the weight of testimony depended on the witness's aristocr atic pedigree. In applying the Celts' ancient law, known as the Brehon cod e, the Rig needed his Filid to recite his genealogical origins in cou rt to ensure that his testimony would take priority over that of any o ne of his subjects. The Filid also entertained their kings' guests with po etry and with tales rich in moral content on the winter nights between Sam ain (1st November) and Beltain (1st May.) These poets were clearly ab le to perform remarkable feats of memory in delivering their kingly panegy rics.

By the second half of the 7th century, the Filid had converted to Christia nity. St. Patrick's first learned convert had been the 5th century Fili d, Dubthach. Patrick cleverly shaped his scriptural teaching to the Celt ic traditions of the Brehon code, and progressively involved the talent ed Filid in the settlement of disputes atrising from the complexity of int egrating Church Canon Law into the Brehon code. A century later, having jo urneyed the Scottish Great Glen to Inverness, St. Columba used similar tac tics by converting the Pictish king's, Bridei's, druid, Broichan, to the C hristian faith.

For the following centuries up to the Synod of Cashel in 1101, the Bishop s, the Asbuig, of this Celtic tradition of orally recited law integrati ng both Canon Law and the Brehon Code used the Filid to establish their o wn honour price in the courts. The honour price of a Bishop, Asbuig, ca me close to that of a tribal king, Rig.

In 1111, the Synod of Rathbeasail accorded the province of Armagh, which i ncluded Dal Riada (the area of Argyll in modern-day Scotland) a tot al of 12 sees. During the following critical surname period marked by t he Normanization of the Scots, there were arguably 12 FiliAsbuig in the se vices of the 12 bishops responsible for dioceses from Donegal and Do wn in Ireland to Argyll in Scotland. These men were possibly deacons and n ot under full orders. The Gillespie name in its present form dates arguab ly from this period with the points of genealogical departure originati ng in these 12 "FilidAsbuig" deacons from the province of Armagh.

As with many Scots names, the origin of the Gillespie name is linked to th at of a profession, essentially that of the bishop's lawyer. This functi on of Celtic society had disappeared by the time the Norman scribes commit ted the names of the Scottish aristocracy to paper in the spirit of the 12 96 Ragman Roll. Gregorian reform had gained the upper hand on the Brehon C ode, and now men of learning were expected to read and write rather th an to commit to memory.

The name was used briefly as a forename by aristocracy with male offspri ng destined for a life of the cloth. The wealthier, ambitious families h ad a discerning eye for church property. Like a small number of other pre- medieval forenames, it would be perpetuated during successive generatio ns in the families concerned if the cleric had offspring.

A Gillespie appears at the origin of the Scottish clan Chattan; the 13th c entury progenitor of the Campbells was Gillespic O Duithne Cam (crooked) B eul (mouth;) the 5th MacEwen of Otter in the 14th century was called Gille spie Mac Eoghain na h-Oitrich; we find one of the Bruce's MP's in Saint An drews, Gillespie MacLachlan.

The Norman scribes translated the names resulting from the tribal kings' p oets, FildRig, predictably, to Gilroy, as the French for king is 'ro y' or 'roi', or to Gilry.

There are notions concerning the etymology of the Gillespie name which a re no longer credible. The first associates the root with "Gilly," a servi ng boy. If this were true, the Scots Gillivray name, where the the third s yllable comes from the Gaelic "Brath," meaning judgement, would foolish ly translate to, 'servant boy of judgement,' rather than to the obvious Fi liBrath, or 'lawyer (poetic reciter) of judgement.' The Galbraith name h as the same origin. Another myth links Gillespie to the name to Archibal d: it is absurd to link the Gaelic name of Gillespie with the Germanic Erc enbald.

Posted By: Evelyn M. Barefoot
Subject: Re: The true origin of the Gillespie name
Post Date: May 22, 2001 at 10:13:04
Message URL: http://genforum.genealogy.com/gillespie/messages/2393.html
Forum: Gillespie Family Genealogy Forum
Forum URL: http://genforum.genealogy.com/gillespie/

I found the discussion pertaining to the name Gillespie very interestin g. The following meaning of the name is quoted from "More Irish Familie s" by Edward MacLysaght: "Gillespie is the usual modern form of the surna me formerly written MacGillespick etc. in English and Mac Giolla Epsco ip in Irish, the latter being Mac Giolla Easpuig in its modern form. The m eaning of these words is 'son of the servant or follower of the bishop.' A spig as a surname may be an abbreviation of or merely a translation of t he common surname Bishop. Matheson's Synonymes indicates that Clusby and G lashby are alternatives in County Louth and that Glaspey was used by one f amily in Westport who were formerly Gillespie. Almost all the Gillespies e tc. to be found in the Annals, Fiants, count and diocesan histories and ot her recrods were Ulstermen. Mac Giolla Epscoip was chief of Aeilabhra (bar ony of Iveag, Co. Down) up to the end of the twelth century; later the fam ily appear as erenaghs of Kilraine (Killybegs, Co. Donegal). The lead er of the Scots who slew Shane O'Neill in 1567 was William Gillespie. T he Fiants and Petty's census indicate that the name was chiefly found in n orth Ulster in the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries, while in our own t ime the birth indexes show that it still is nemerous in the same northe rn counties. Sir Robert Rollo Gillespie (1766-1814),born in Co. Down, h ad an adventurous and distinguished career as a soldier in India, whe re he was killed in action. An allied name, MacAnespie, now rare or surviv ing as Bishop, is Mac an Easpuig (son of the bishop): it appears as MacNas puk in the "Red Book of Ormond" in 1320, in the Four Masters (sub 144 0) in Tirconnel, and Perrot's "Chronicle of Ireland" (1584-1608) as MacEne spick, who was then accounted one of the leading men of Connacht and Thomo nd." Evelyn

Posted By: Michèil MacThòmhais
Subject: Re: The true origin of the Gillespie nam
Post Date: February 19, 2001 at 20:46:08
Message URL: http://genforum.genealogy.com/gillespie/messages/2184.html
Forum: Gillespie Family Genealogy Forum
Forum URL: http://genforum.genealogy.com/gillespie/

Rather than "Filid Asbuig" "Gille Asbuig" where "gille" mean "serveant". M orphologically and phonologically it makes more sense.

Posted By: Bob Gillespie
Subject: Re: The true origin of the Gillespie nam
Post Date: September 15, 2001 at 01:26:08
Message URL: http://genforum.genealogy.com/gillespie/messages/2658.html
Forum: Gillespie Family Genealogy Forum
Forum URL: http://genforum.genealogy.com/gillespie/

Neither the G not the F were pronounced in Gaelic. The Norman scribes wro te in G during the Scots name period in the 13th century
Kind regards
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Gillespie, Mac Giolla Easpaig A Gaelic surname, meaning ‘son of the serva nt of the Bishop’, This sept originated in east Ulster. A branch had mov ed to Donegal by the thirteenth century. They were archinnigh in the paris hes of Killybegs and Kilcar. In the census of 1659 the surname was to be f ound in the Barony of Boylagh and Banagh. Also a Scottish surname of simil ar derivation. In 1890 Gillespie was principally found in Antrim, Donega l, Armagh and Tyrone, and the estimated number of bearers was 3,850. In t he United States it is the 790th most numerous surname with an estimated 4 1,250 bearers.
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~irishancestors/Surnames/Surnames% 20in%20Ireland/GeraghtyGrimes/Gillespie.html
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IRL-CO-DONEGAL-L Archives
From: "Alice" <cochrane@cadvision.com>
Subject: MARY GILLESPIE, CASTLEFIN, DONEGAL
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 22:12:41 -0600
I would very much appreciate any information on Mary Gillespie, Castlefi n, Donegal. She married John Walker, Tyrconnelly, Donaghedy Parish, Coun ty Tyrone, probably c1725. They had two sons, David who married Mary Osbo rne, and Thomas who emigrated to America. Also, any information on the Gi llespie family in Castlefin, would also be apprecaited. Please email me d irectly. Thank you.
http://newsarch.rootsweb.com/th/read/IRL-CO-DONEGAL/2001-08/0998799161

Mary Gillespie, Castlefin Donegal, 1720
Posted by: A. Cochrane Date: September 01, 2001 at 22:51:26 of 524
I would like to find any information on Mary GILLESPIE, born c1720, Castle fin, Donegal, who married John WALKER, Donemana area, County Tyrone. The ir children were: David and Thomas (and possibly Margaret who married Dani el Jack in 1761) I would be delighted to hear from you if you have any inf ormation on Mary Gillespie. Please email me directly. Many thanks
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Burkes Peerage

Lineage–GEORGE GILLESPIE, of Rowan Company, North Carolina, a descenda nt of REV. GEORGE GILLESPIE, who emigrated to America c 1700, and of RE V. JOHN GILLESPIE, of Alva, Scotland (d 1627), was b 1751; m Mary, d au of Richard Graham, a soldier in the Revolutionary War and a signer of t he Mecklenberg Declaration, and d 1818, leaving issue, a s,

GEORGE GILLESPIE, of Franklin, Tenn.; b 1787; m 10 June, 1810, Martha Morg an, and d 1867, having by her had issue, a s,

FRANCIS PORTERFIELD GILLESPIE, of Franklin, Tenn., removed to Oxford, Miss .; b 1830; m 1853, Frances Wiley, and d 1916, leaving issue,

•GEORGE YANCEY, of whom we treat.
Address–Duck Hill, Mississippi.
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More About Martha*~ Gillespie:
Immigrant Ancestor: 1730, Ireland to PA
Migration: 1730, Ireland to PA
Surname Variant: Gillespie, Gillispie
     
Children of William* Black and Martha*~ Gillespie are:
  120 i.   Capt William Black, Sr*, born Abt. 1726 in Letterkenny, County Donegal, Ireland; died Abt. 1785 in probably North Carolina; married (1) Mary^ Osborne Abt. 1740 in probably North Carolina; married (2) Eleanor Beard Abt. 1772.
  ii.   Violet Jean Black, born Abt. 1728 in Letterkenny, County Donegal, Ireland; died Aft. 21 Aug 1797 in York County, SC; married Capt James Hanna II Abt. 1751 in Lancaster County, PA; born Abt. 1726 in Ireland; died 31 May 1797 in York County, SC.
  iii.   John Black, Sr, born 1737 in Letterkenny, County Donegal, Ireland; died 29 Mar 1790 in Charlotte, NC; married (1) Margaret Hamilton Apr 1762; born 1742; died 1783; married (2) Mary Abt. 1790.
  Notes for John Black, Sr:
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ID: I34841
Name: John Black 1
Sex: M
Birth: in Northern Ireland? 1
Reference Number: 34841
Note:
[foster.FTW]

His name was signed among 20 with Nathaniel Massie, Dec. 1st, 1790 at Mays ville or near Washi ngton, as one of the settlers of Manchester (Ohio ). He is an immigrant from Ireland, and prob ably has more than two childr en, though I only have records of two here.


He may be from Of, Doons, Tyrone, Ireland

John Black is buired on Purdin farm near Russellville per Russell Black. ( Cherry Fork?) - fut her investigation turned up a John T. Black. Not the r ight individual. This related through t he Roush line. It is uncertain (th ough suspected) that they are related through the Black lin e somewhere. T here may be other important graves there. Some of those people are relat ed thro ugh Absolum Roush, who's wife is buried in Winchester cemetary.


His dates may be birth - 1737 and death 1783.


Marriage 1 Margaret ??? Hamilton ??? b: 1743
Children
Janet Black b: in Ireland
Samuel Black b: 14 OCT 1765 in Northern Ireland?

Sources:
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Text: Date of Import: 5 Jan 2001








  More About John Black, Sr:
Burial: Presbyterian Church, Sardis, NC
Census: 1790, Mecklenburg County, NC
Will Administrator: 1775, To his brother William

  iv.   Thomas Black
  v.   Unknown Black, married Alexander Osborne.
  vi.   Unknown Black, married Abraham Miller.
  vii.   Unknown Black
  viii.   Unknown Black


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