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Descendants of James Olds

Generation No. 2

2. ELIJAH² OLDS, SR. (JAMES¹) was born Circa 1775 in NY. He married OLIVE.

Notes for ELIJAH OLDS, SR.:
1810 Census: NEW YORK, Genesee County, Caledonia township
p. 117:
* ELIJAH Olds [Sr]: Males: 1 (0-10), 1 (16-26), 1 (26-45); Females: 3 (0-10), 2 (10-16), 1 (26-45)
* ELI Olds: exactly same household demographics as Elijah. We think they were in the same household. Would guess that Eli was aged 16-26, living with his elder brother Elijah Sr's family. If so, then Elijah Jr is the male under 10. Also, 5 daughters.
* JAMES Olds: Males: 1 (26-45); Females: 2(0-10), 1 (10-16), 1 (16-26) ** From the ages, this must be James, brother of Elijah & Eli, not their father. This James born after 1865.

1820 Census: INDIANA
p. 261a:
* ELIJA[sic] Olds (Sr): Males: 2 (0-10), 1 (16-25), 1 (45+); Females: 2 (10-15), 1 (45+) ** These children would be: Elijah Jr, (age 16?); Briggs & Jeremiah; Henry not born yet??; 2 daughters still at home (eldest 3 gone).

1830 Census: INDIANA, (Jackson County?), Redding township
* ELIJAH Olds Sr: Males: 1 (0-5), 1 (5-10), 1 (20-30), 1 (50-60); Females: 1 (0-5), 1 (10-15), 1 (20-30) ** Children: Note that Male Ages 11-20 is missing: Briggs would be 17, Jeremiah 14, & Henry about 10. The 2 daughters in 1830 are gone and there are now 2 more born since 1815. Wife Olive doesn't match given ages for females - could she have died and Elijah remaried?? - note more young children.
* ELIJAH Olds Jr: Males: 1 (0-5), 1 (5-10), 1 (16-25); Females: 1 (40-50) ** This listing is the next household in the census after Elijah Sr.
Elijah Jr. appears to not have wife but does have two sons, plus ?mother-in-law?

1840 Census: INDIANA, Jennings County
* BC Olds: Males: 1 (0-5), 2 (20-30); Females: 1 (5-10), 1 (20-30) ** Appears to be Briggs & Sarah, 1 son & 1 daughter, plus 1 male aged 20-30 (younger brother? Jeremiah or Henry?)
* Elijah Olds [Jr]: Males: 3 (0-5), 1 (10-15), 1 (30-40); Females: 1 (5-10), 1 (10-15), 1 (30-40) ** One (eldest) son is gone, the other is now 10-15. There are now two girls under 15 (probably under 10 judging from 1830 census). Elijah appears to have remarried, with 3 sons under 5 years.

28 Dec 1998 email from Joe Osborn <osborn@airmail.net>
>>>>Got in the pension papers for Eli and Moses Olds.
>>>>Eli married Laura Cherrytree in 1806 in Cayugo County, NY. Remember how I thought that it might be our Elijah in the 1800 Cayuga >>>>County, NY census, along with James, who I think is his father?
>>>>Marilyn Bourn said that she has a Moses Olds whose probate indicated that Eli, Sarah, and Ira were his siblings. Guess who Moses' >>>>father was? According to the pension papers, it is James; and Moses was born in NY, died in MI.
>>>>I have not been able to find a record yet that puts Elijah, Briggs, and Henry all together. Still working on it.
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01 Jun 1999 email from Angie G. Olds (daughter in law of Granville Olds) <angieolds@juno.com>. Excerpt as follows:
>>...I grew up in Ripley County, Indiana - just two counties east of Jackson County. I've been over there a couple of times but just briefly. I >>found some land deeds for Elijah Olds and his wife Olive. They are dated 1820s and 1830s. This is probably Henry Forest's father....
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Will send printouts of Family Group sheets and Descendant chart.

Angie could be on to something here! I had read this message and assumed that this Elijah was Henry's SON. But, his son would have not been born yet, and Henry did name a daughter Olive. AND, I'd forgotten that we do not have a name for Henry's mother yet!! (we got sidetracked with the Cherrytree connection, which was through Elijah's younger brother Eli's wife, Laura Cherrytree). I admit to being puzzled as to why Elijah Sr. & his wife Olive would name one son, Briggs Cherrytree Olds, after his sister-in-law's maiden name, but perhaps a Cherrytree served as god-parent; or perhaps, as Briggs Cherrytree Olds was born in NY, perhaps he was born at the home of the Cherrytrees, or a Cherrytree wife served as mid-wife......who knows. It's obviously some tribute/namesake but not through direct descent as is usually the case. And, without knowing whether the name was chosen by Elijah or by his wife, it's hard to know exactly what relationship or event was being gratefully/affectionately commemorated.

Will email this to Joe today. 16 Jun 1999.

Children of ELIJAH OLDS and OLIVE are:

ELIJAH³ OLDS, JR., b. Circa 1805, NY; m. ROCHSA, IN?.

Notes for ELIJAH OLDS, JR.:
1810 Census: NEW YORK, Genesee County, Caledonia township
p. 117:
* ELIJAH Olds [Sr]: Males: 1 (0-10), 1 (16-26), 1 (26-45); Females: 3 (0-10), 2 (10-16), 1 (26-45)
* ELI Olds: exactly same household demographics as Elijah. ** We think they were in the same household. Would guess that Eli was aged 16-26, living with his elder brother Elijah Sr's family. If so, then Elijah Jr is the male under 10. Also, 5 daughters.
* JAMES Olds: Males: 1 (26-45); Females: 2(0-10), 1 (10-16), 1 (16-26) ** From the ages, this must be James, brother of Elijah & Eli, not their father. This James born after 1865.

1820 Census: INDIANA
p. 261a:
* ELIJA[sic] Olds (Sr): Males: 2 (0-10), 1 (16-25), 1 (45+); Females: 2 (10-15), 1 (45+) ** Children: Elijah Jr, (age 16?); Briggs & Jeremiah; Henry not born yet??; 2 daughters still at home (eldest 3 gone).

1830 Census: INDIANA, (Jackson County?), Redding township
* ELIJAH Olds Sr: Males: 1 (0-5), 1 (5-10), 1 (20-30), 1 (50-60); Females: 1 (0-5), 1 (10-15), 1 (20-30) ** Children: Note that Male Ages 11-20 is missing: Briggs would be 17, Jeremiah 14, & Henry about 10. The 2 daughters in 1830 are gone and there are now 2 more born since 1815. Wife Olive doesn't match given ages for females - could she have died and Elijah remaried?? - note more young children.
* ELIJAH Olds Jr: Males: 1 (0-5), 1 (5-10), 1 (16-25); Females: 1 (40-50) ** This listing is the next household in the census after Elijah Sr.
Elijah Jr. appears to not have wife but does have two sons, plus ?mother-in-law?

1840 Census: INDIANA, Jennings County
* BC Olds: Males: 1 (0-5), 2 (20-30); Females: 1 (5-10), 1 (20-30) ** Appears to be Briggs & Sarah, 1 son & 1 daughter, plus 1 male aged 20-30 (younger brother? Jeremiah or Henry?)
* ELIJAH Olds [Jr]: Males: 3 (0-5), 1 (10-15), 1 (30-40); Females: 1 (5-10), 1 (10-15), 1 (30-40) ** One (eldest) son is gone, the other is now 10-15. There are now two girls under 15 (probably under 10 judging from 1830 census). Elijah appears to have remarried, with 3 sons under 5 years.

Elijah Olds and his wife, Rochsa, sold property to James Robinson, in Bartholomew Co In in 1834. ( deed book D page 253).

5.	ii.		BRIGGS CHERRYTREE OLDS, b. 6 June 1813, NY; d. 10 April 1865, Columbus City, Louisa Co, IA.
6.	iii.		HENRY FOREST OLDS, b. 1819, NY or OH; d. 4 October 1899, ?Osceola, St Clair County, MO.

3. SARAH² OLDS (JAMES¹) was born in NY. She married DAVID CURTIS.

Notes for DAVID CURTIS:
1800 Census:
David, Cayuga County, with wife and two young children.
(this is same county as Sarah's father James in 1800).

According to Jeff Carroll (see e-mail from him to Joe Osborn, below), a David Curtis bought land at French Creek, Chataugua County, NY, in October 1824, which is also where Moses Olds lived (1825 state census and Methodist church membership), also Eli Olds in 1825.

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EXCERPT FROM E-MAIL FROM JEFF CARROLL TO JOE OSBORN:

TITLE: Maybe they didn't remember to cross the T. (or "How many coincedences does it take to prove a theory")

What started this was my speculation regarding the probate records of ELI OLDS that you provided in GenForum. According to your entry, in ELI OLDS' probate records it mentions his sister, SARAH CURLIS. The basis of my theory is that someone erred in transcribing the record - that SARAH CURLIS is actually SARAH CURTIS. Now, let's look at the evidence that may support that idea.

#1) My wife is descended from ROSWELL CURTIS and his wife, TRYPHENA PATTERSON. Roswell died in 1900 at the age of 90. On his death certificate (which I have not seen), it states that he is the son of DAVID CURTIS and SARAH OLDS.

Therefore
- A person named SARAH CURTIS exists.
- Her maiden name was OLDS.
- She most likely was born before 1790 (based on Roswell's birth year)

#2) The 1880 Census records for ROSWELL CURTIS indicates that his parents were born in New York. All his census records indicate that he was born in Canada West (Ontario)

Therefore
- DAVID CURTIS and SARAH OLDS were both born in New York.
- About 1810, they would be in Canada and would not appear in US Census.

#3) In what I believe to be the 1800 Census (poor recordkeeping of my part), DAVID CURTIS is in CAYUGA Co with a wife and two young children. At the same time, JAMES OLDS is in the 1800 CAYUGA Census. A baptism record that you referred to indicates that JAMES OLDS had a daughter named SARAH.

Therefore
- Because of the close vicinity, it is possible that DAVID CURTIS married SARAH, the daughter of JAMES OLDS.

#4) According to the 1812 pension papers you have, ELI OLDS died in Mayville, Chautaugua in 1853. The CHAUTAUGUA Co GenWeb site lists
a) that ELI and MOSES OLDS lived in Chautaugua, Chataugua Co in the 1825 State Census.
b) that MOSES OLDS was a member of the Methodist church in 1830 in French Creek, Chautuagua Co. and
c) that a DAVID CURTIS bought land at French Creek in October 1824.

Therefore
- A possible reason that MOSES OLDS and SARAH CURLIS (CURTIS) was mentioned in the pension papers is because they lived close to ELI for several years.

#5) Last piece - MOSES OLDS died in Lawrence, VAN BUREN Co, Michigan in 1870. At the time, ROSWELL CURTIS was living less than 15 miles away, near Coloma, BERRIEN Co.

Therefore
- A possible example of families traveling together.

I realize it is tentative at best. However, there are enough clues that I think it's worth some further exploration, especially the next time I go to the Nat'l Achives in Massachusetts to look at census records. Let me know if you have anything that either throws doubt or strengthens the theory.

Child of SARAH OLDS and DAVID CURTIS is:

ROSWELL³ CURTIS, b. 1810, Ontario, Canada; d. 1900.

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