Notes About Early Reid's Generation No. 1 1. ROBERT1 REID was born Abt. 1796 in Scotland (Source: (1) Estimated year of Birth from Death Certificate (Age 47)., (2) Location of Birth from Census Return - England.), and died 8 January 1844 in Castle Crescent, Kendal, Westmorland, England (Source: Death Certificate.). He married MARGARET DICK. She was born Abt. 1790 in Scotland (Source: (1) Estimated year of birth from Census Return - England, (2) Location of Birth from Census Return - England.). Notes for ROBERT REID: (Special Note: I am particularly indebted to my cousin Robert Reid, son of Eric, for all of the material located at West Register House which relates to Dalkeith. He visited Register House on a number of occasions and obtained, by way of his own handwritten notes, all that information. This was a significant and generous effort on his part and deserves very special mention. Indeed his explanatory notes about the original documentation, procedural practices at the time, McConnell's place in the scheme of things, etc. have been left virtually unchanged and are inserted here to assist the reader. My personal thanks go to Robert for this enormous effort, and not least of all for his general interest in the research and the many extremely useful and enjoyable telephone calls we have had discussing this aspect of our Reid heritage). Robert Reid (c1796 - 1844) was employed in Dalkeith, Scotland, as the Head Overseer of Surveyors for the Dalkeith District from 15 march 1826 until 25 May 1837. From copies of letters sent by Dalkeith District to Robert after he left their employment, it is known that he was subsequently employed as the Superintendent Surveyor for the Herron Syke Trust, a Toll Road company, based in Kendal, Westmorland, England, from at least 17 July 1837. The Herron Syke Trust managed the road from Kendal to Penrith, and Robert was employed by them until his death in 1844. The following two extracts are from 'The Dalkeith District Minute Book, 1804 - 1850" (held in West Register House, Charlotte Square, Edinburgh, Scotland; catalogue no. CO2/5/8, page 149 [first extract] and pages 173-4 [second extract]: [First Extract] Meeting of the Dalkeith District, Edinburgh, 12 July 1826 Present: Lord Melville; Sir John H. Dalrymple; Sir John Hope; Mr Wauchope (Convener); Mr Mackey. Sir john H. Dalrymple presiding. It was mentioned at a former Meeting, that some irregularities had taken place on the part of Thomson the Surveyor, which rendered it necessary to dismiss him. The Convener communicated with Mr McAdam with a view to getting a person qualified for such a charge, and, upon his approval, Robert Reid was appointed, who had lately superintended making a new road from Penrith to Shap. So much depends upon the honesty and good conduct of a Surveyor having charge of such an extensive District, that the Convener merely engaged him for six months, upon a salary of £100; letting it, however, be understood that it would be permanent, provided that he gave satisfaction, and that his salary would be raised upon the same conditions, and provided he established a general system of economy, and succeeded in getting the work done on the different roads by Contract as is done by Mr McAdam. By a paper handed in, it will be seen that, from the time of Thomson's dismissal, on 7th of December last, the weekly bills lowered very considerably. The Convener superintended matters himself till the 15th of March, when it will be seen that Robert Reid took charge; and, with the exception of laying broken metal upon the roads, everything is now contracted for, even to scraping the mud off in wet weather. He might further mention, that, upon dismissing a suboverseer, who had charge between Dalkeith and the Drum, Reid mentioned of his own accord that he thought it unnecessary to replace him; as with his assistance, one Suboverseer might answer between Edinburgh and Dalkeith and thus 15/- a week were saved to the district. Under these circumstances the Convener recommended that the meeting should encourage such good conduct by some testimony of its approval. The Surveyor had been unfortunate about horses, so the Convener would propose that the district should present him with £25 to furnish him with a horse, saddle and bridle, which the meeting unanimously agreed to. [Second Extract] Meeting of the Dalkeith District, Edinburgh, 19 September 1827 The Convener attributed the improvements now reported to the activity, intelligence and honesty of the surveyors. As an encouragement he had added one shilling per week to the wages of the under ones; and proposed that £10 a year should be added to the wages of Robert Reid, the head overseer... The two extracts above tell us a great deal about Robert, and clearly indicate a man who was extremely successful in his chosen career. The Convener sought the advice and recommendation of a suitable candidate from John Loudon McAdam, the most preeminent Road Surveyor of his time and whose name is still used (Macadam) to refer to road and airport runway surfaces. McAdam, who was at this time Surveyor General of a number of Toll Road districts in Westmorland and Cumberland would have known Robert for his work on the road from Penrith to Shap. Indeed, the book ' Road Transport in Cumbria in the 19th Century ' referred to in the next paragraph indicates that McAdam was at that time responsible for this and several other significant roads in the Westmorland/Cumberland area. It is clear from a number of references in this book that the Penrith-Shap road was a major work and significant achievement in road improvement. We also know from the extracts above, that Robert owned his own horse, which in this day and age may be no big thing, but at that time was an indication of a relatively well off person, and £25 at that time would equate to being given the price of a good quality car today. Surprisingly, we also find that Robert had worked in England before his employment with the Herron Syke Trust in 1837. This leads me to wonder if the reference in Uncle Cyril's letter, to Robert working on a road from Carlisle or Penrith to Scotland (Cyril's letter emphasised the word 'to') was more accurate than I first realised and maybe points to some third period of employment, or perhaps training, in the border area. At the time I read Cyril's letter I assumed it was a slightly inaccurate reference to the Herron Syke employment. Finally, we now know a little something about Robert himself. He was clearly active (for which read hard working), intelligent and honest; and one can safely assume well respected as it is unlikely that McAdam would have recommended him otherwise. During his employment with Dalkeith, there was a constant flow of letters between the District (for which read Head Office) and Robert. These are the equivalent of todays "Office Memo" and unfortunately only the letters to, and not from, Robert survive. These are also held at West Register House, Charlotte Square, Edinburgh, Scotland, under the Title "The Out-Letter Book, Dalkeith District 1834 - 45", catalogue reference CO2/5/15. They paint a picture of a very busy manager, dealing with issues such as poor maintenance of roads by contractors, investigation of accidents, valuing costs of proposed work, valuing land for purchase, negotiating contracts with contractors, establishing work practices and standards and advertising changes to the toll roads for which he was responsible. Several of the letters are written to Robert after he has left Dalkeith's employ and is working for the Herron Syke Trust, and it is interesting to note that these letters, which request clarification of outstanding matters in his old job, are of a different (more polite) tone. Even after so many years have passed, some things never change!! Letters to Robert in the "Out-Letter Book". The Out-Letter Book has a thumb index at the front. Letters to 'Robert Reid' under "R" are listed as follows: Pages 5, 25, 28, 38, 40, 50, 52, 53, 55, 57, 60, 63, 64-7, 69, 79, 85-8, 94, 96, 98, 101, 106, 112, 113, 123, 125, 130, 133, 142, 143, 147. The Kendal letters and at least one Dalkeith letter are not listed in the thumb index. Whoever compiled the index may have known Robert's date of departure and mistakenly assumed there was no correspondence with him after this point. Taken together the letters number just over forty. These letters, of which in the book there are only unsigned copies, were probably written by Clerk to the Dalkeith District, James Haig (except in one instance where he is indicated as absent from Dalkeith). The Clerk was the interface between the public, the trustees and the Surveyor. sir John Dalrymple was Convener of the District by the mid-1830s and directly answerable to the trustees at regular meetings of the District. Extracted Letters. Several letters are worth reproducing here in full. Note that the page number is in brackets after the date. To Robert Reid, Surveyor of Roads, Dalkeith 10 February 1836 (87) I have received a letter from Sir Edward Lees, Secretary to the General Post Office stating that a very serious accident happened upon the 3rd inst. from the Carrick Mail having come in contact with "a large stone laid in the road about three miles from Town, in consequence of which the driver was thrown from his seat and is now dangerously ill of the bruises he received". This is a very serious matter and being expressly forbidden by the general act (page 71) you and the trustees would for certain be subjected to the fine and all the damage the man suffered. You know how severely the Middle District had to pay for a similar accident you can't be too cautious. Make inquiry how this happened and make up a report about it for me. if an action for damages is brought I don't know what defence can be made. Recollect to send me all particulars about the effect of passengers paying only once between Dalkeith and Edinburgh and removing the toll at the Melville Road. Yours &c To Robert Reid, Surveyor of Roads, Dalkeith 15 February 1836 (88) I have received your letter of the 13th. I am afraid that no stones however carefully laid down, are lawful upon the road. Preserve all the evidence you can about the way the accident happened and be very cautious about anything of the kind in the future. You did not tell me what you were to do about the roads at Middrie. I think the proper way will be to keep the old road open with the Toll Bar, till the 30th of April, by which time we may get authority from the trustees to shut it. At present there is none. Be prepared when I see you to give a description of the point of the road where it would stop on the north end. Don't forget this when you come here. You should always tell me what is going on. I might have prepared a petition and notices for shutting the old road if you had mentioned that the new was so nearly ready. Yours &c To Robert Reid, Surveyor of Roads, Dalkeith 11 March 1836 (94) I send enclosed two letters to which you will attend. One you will observe from Mr Gray the General Clerk intimates that Mr McConnell is to inspect the roads for which you will be prepared. The other from Mr Wright about Carrison Barch Cottage I send direct that you may report upon it to the Convener. Yours &c Explanatory Note: The 'General Clerk' would be the Clerk for the 'County' (i.e. the combined Edinburgh Districts). John McConnell; based in Penrith he was a business partner of John Loudon McAdam and managed the latter's affairs in the North. In 1836 he was invited by the Edinburgh Districts (of which there were ten, including Dalkeith) to review their administration, and under his direction a comprehensive restructuring took place. In particular, District Surveyors like Robert were dispensed with and replaced by a single Surveyor with responsibility for the whole 'County' under McConnell's continuing supervision. Hugh Blackwood, previously Surveyor at Kendal was appointed to this new post and Robert moved down to Kendal to replace him. One other document held at West Register House is the "Entry in Account: Charge and Discharge between the Honourable Trustees of Dalkeith District of Roads and James Haig, their Clerk. 15 June 1836 - 15 June 1837", catalogue reference CO2/5/13. An entry on page 13, dated May 1837 reads "Robert Reid, Surveyor of the District, salary from June 1836 until 25 May 1837 when he left the District at the rate of £110 per annum, per certified state of payments £103.13s.5d". It is this entry which tells us that his employment there actually ceased after the date originally indicated in his termination of employment letter. The book ' Road Transport in Cumbria in the 19th Century ' by L. A. Williams (George Allen and Unwin, London, 1975, ISBN 0 04 385062 6) refers to Robert Reid as the Superintendent Surveyor of the Heron Syke Trust for the period 1837 -1858. There is no other information whatsoever about Robert in the book. The book's author notes that all ending dates (in Robert's case 1858) are really the year when another name appears in the original records as holding that position. The original records from which the information in this book was obtained are held at Kendal Record Office, Cumbria, England. Having obtained a copy of the original records I found that they consist only of a list of approximately fortnightly payments to Robert for the period 1837 - January 1844. See below for a sample of a typical years record, and the Scrapbook for a copy of the actual pages. Of importance is the month January of 1844 which shows a payment to Robert and then a few days later a payment to Archibald Reid for the 'account of' Robert. It was these two entries so close together which led me believe that Robert had ceased employment and the final payment had been made to his son. I followed this possibility up by searching the Kendal newspaper records at the British Newspaper Library, Colindale, London and found the death notice for Robert, under the surname 'Read' in The Kendal Mercury dated Saturday 13 January 1844. The Informant is Archibald Reid. I also checked with the Kendal Record Office and verified the spelling as Read on the original entry of death. As the occupation on the Death Certificate and in the newspaper is Road Surveyor, the address is identical to the 1841 Census entry for Robert and his family, and the Informant is Archibald, I am confident that this Robert 'Read' is in fact our Robert Reid with a misspelled surname. If any further proof was needed, the son Robert lists his father as Road Surveyor (deceased) on his Marriage Certificate. Extract of the Heron Syke Road Account (Cash Payments) for the year 1843: March 13 By Cash to Rt Reid £14 July 31 By Cash to Rt Reid £12 March 27 By Cash to Rt Reid £25 Aug 14 By Cash to Rt Reid £12 April 10 By Cash to Rt Reid £14 Aug 28 By Cash to Rt Reid £12 April 24 By Cash to Rt Reid £14 Sep 11 By Cash to Rt Reid £11 May 8 By Cash to Rt Reid £14 Sep 25 By Cash to Rt Reid £11 May 22 By Cash to Rt Reid £18 Oct 9 By Cash to Rt Reid £11 June 5 By Cash to Rt Reid £14 Oct 23 By Cash to Rt Reid £11 June 19 By Cash to Rt Reid £14 Nov 6 By Cash to Rt Reid £11 July 3 By Cash to Rt Reid £14 Nov 20 By Cash to Rt Reid £11 July 17 By Cash to Rt Reid £14 Dec 4 By Cash to Rt Reid £11 This comes to £268 which by 1843 standards was a very large sum, and one could reasonably assume that part of it was salary and the balance paid through Robert to work contractors, etc. On a general note, another book 'The Manchester & Glasgow Road' by Charles G. Harper, published in 1907 and reprinted in 1927 by Cecil Palmer; 49 Chandos St, Covent Garden, gives a quaint description of the part of the area in which Robert worked and specifically the road he was responsible for from 1837 to his death in 1844, i.e. Kendal to Penrith via Shap Fell as it is now known, which is today is part of the A6. I quote: "The old boundary of Westmoreland and Lancashire, somewhat varied in recent times, is seen marked on a brass plate on the way to Burton-in-Kendal, opposite a group of old cottages standing in a hollow beside the modern raised road. The place is called Heron Syke, and the deep hollow and surviving fragment of old road illustrate the ancient name, indicating a marshy place with a brook, once frequented by herons.... Between Kendal and Penrith, a distance of twenty-six miles, is situated the bleakest and most trying stretch of country in all the distance from London and Glasgow. It is the district of that high-perched table-land, 1,400 feet above sea level, dreaded by the old coachmen, and the passengers too, as "Shap Fell." All the weather of Westmoreland is brewed amid the inhospitable altitudes of Stainmoor and Shap Fell which are, in addition, afflicted with the local phenomenon known as the "Helm Wind." This, perhaps fortunately for travellers, is not a winter's gale, but a playful blast that characterises the days of May and June. When the tourist reads, that it is strong enough to overturn horses and carriages, and that the noise of it may be heard twenty miles off, like thunder, or the roar of a cataract, he entertains serious thoughts of accomplishing this stage of his journey by rail. The Helm Wind derives its name from the "helm," or cap, of light cloud that rests immovably for hours in the sky at the time of its blowing. It blows across the fells of Westmoreland and Cumberland, rushing down their steep sides and lashing the waters of the Lakes into furious waves and driven spray. The ascent to this not very promising region begins by a gentle rise at Mint Bridge, one mile from Kendal. It continues, with increasingly steep gradients, but with two short intervals of down gradient, for nine and a half miles, when the summit is reached. Although Shap Fell has so ugly a name, the rise at no point exceeds 1 in 10. It is rather the long-continued character of the ascent to the exposed summit that makes the road remarkable. The coaching accidents on this stage were remarkably few. The principal happening of this kind was when a country mail was upset at Kirbythore Bridge, on Hucks Brow, owing to the horses shying at a quite inoffensive water wheel. The coach fell eight feet, and a horse was killed, but there the damage ended. A stalwart Yorkshire wool-stapler, who was riding outside, was flung off and made to perform a complete somersault, but he alighted safely on his feet, and just in time to catch, at "mid-off", a parcel which shot with wondrous velocity out of a woman's arms, and proved on inspection be a baby. He said, dryly, when they congratulated him on his fielding, that "a stray baby isn't generally a good catch for a man."..... How bravely and doggedly the mails and stages battled on winter nights against the howling blasts of Shap and Stainmoor, sometimes contending with snowstorms and drifts in which not only the coachman and guard, but the passengers also, bore a hand at the snow-shovels and dug and delved until hands and feet, previously numbed and cold, glowed again! How anxiously, when that digging and delving seemed almost ineffectual and the drifts impassable, did they strain their vision to catch a glimpse through the murky night, filled with driving snowflakes for the cheerful lights of that roadside inn, the "Welcome into Cumberland", telling travellers accustomed to this road not only of comfort available at hand, but of a farewell to the terrors of Westmoreland and approach to the sheltered little town of Penrith...." More About ROBERT REID: Cause of Death: Anasarca Medical Information: an-a-sar-ca (an| sark) n. [[ME < ML < Gr ana , throughout + sarx , flesh] generalized edema, or dropsy --ana-sarcous adj. Notes for MARGARET DICK: 1851 Census - England This census shows for the town of Kendal in the county of Westmorland, the following entry for the address Strickland: Margaret Reid H W 60 Lodging House Keeper Scot Jessie Reid D U 31 House Servant Scot James Atkinson Lodge U 21 Cabinet Maker Wes, Kendal Authors note: The name Jessie is a diminutive of Janet. I think this entry is for our Margaret and Janet, although I can not prove it. Marriage Notes for ROBERT REID and MARGARET DICK: 1841 Census - England This census shows for the town of Kendal in the County of Westmorland, the following entry for the address Park and Castle Lands, Castle Crescent: Name Age Occupation Place of Birth Robert Reid 40 Surveyor of Roads Scotland Margret Reid 50 Scotland Janet Reid 15 Scotland Euphemia Reid 15 Scotland Georgina Reid 15 Scotland Authors note: The 1841 Census rounded the age to the nearest 5 or 0, theoretically in that census anyone between about 38 and 42 years of age would be shown as 40, which part explains the discrepancies in the ages above from their actual known ages. Presumably the Census Taker didn't understand the procedure and so got it slightly wrong. Children of ROBERT REID and MARGARET DICK are: i. JANET2 REID, b. 18 November 1819, Dalquharran, Dailly, Ayr, Scotland (Source: Old Parochial Register - Scotland.). More About JANET REID: Baptism: 30 November 1819, Dailly, Ayr, Scotland (Source: Old Parochial Register - Scotland.) ii. EUPHEMIA REID, b. 24 June 1821, Dalquharran, Dailly, Ayr, Scotland (Source: Old Parochial Register - Scotland.). More About EUPHEMIA REID: Baptism: 12 July 1821, Dailly, Ayr, Scotland (Source: Old Parochial Register - Scotland.) iii. ARCHIBALD REID, b. 4 April 1823, Dalquharran, Dailly, Ayr, Scotland (Source: Old Parochial Register - Scotland.). More About ARCHIBALD REID: Baptism: 11 April 1823, Dailly, Ayr, Scotland (Source: Old Parochial Register - Scotland.) iv. GEORGINA REID, b. 13 January 1826, Walker, Eaglesham, Renfrew, Scotland (Source: Old Parochial Register - Scotland.). More About GEORGINA REID: Baptism: 3 March 1826, Eaglesham, Renfrew, Scotland 2. v. ROBERT REID, b. 8 November 1829, Dalkeith, MidLothian, Scotland; d. 18 January 1902, Bowness On Windermere, Westmorland, England. Generation No. 2 2. ROBERT2 REID (ROBERT1) was born 8 November 1829 in Dalkeith, MidLothian, Scotland (Source: Old Parochial Register - Scotland.), and died 18 January 1902 in Bowness On Windermere, Westmorland, England (Source: Headstone, Bowness Cemetery.). He married ANN CARTMEL (Source: Marriage Certificate.) 30 June 1850 in Holy Trinity Church, Kendal, Westmorland, England (Source: Marriage Certificate.), daughter of ABRAHAM CARTMEL and SARAH WHITE. She was born April 1828 in Shoulthwaite Farm, nr St John's in the Vale, Keswick, Cumberland (Source: Parish Record.), and died 8 February 1886 in Park Lodge, Bowness On Windermere, Westmorland, England (Source: Probate Record.). Notes for ROBERT REID: Witnesses to Robert's Baptism were John Hope, a Farmer, and John Simpson of Edinburgh. More About ROBERT REID: Baptism: 29 November 1829, Dalkeith, MidLothian, Scotland (Source: Old Parochial Register - Scotland.) Notes for ANN CARTMEL: The Marriage Certificate for Ann and Robert spells Ann's surname as "Cartmell". The Probate Records for her Father and Grandfather show the surname as 'Cartmel or Cartmell'. To prove to my own satisfaction that Ann Cartmel and Ann Cartmell were one and the same, I made further checks. Ann's father, Abraham, in his Will leaves the majority of his wealth to his wife for her upkeep and sustenance in the first instance and then to his children on her death. Ann had predeceased her mothe but the probate on Ann's Will is adjusted following her mothers death by the exact amount left to Ann by her mother. A copy of the original Will is in the Scrapbook showing the signatures of Ann and her daughter Margaret. More About ANN CARTMEL: Baptism: 2 May 1828, St John's in the Vale Marriage Notes for ROBERT REID and ANN CARTMEL: Robert and Ann were both living in Kendal at the time of their marriage. Roberts' age was 20 and Ann's 22. Witnesses to the ceremony were Thomas Greenwood and Margaret Lill. They were married by licence. 1851 Census - England This census shows for the town of Kendal in the County of Westmorland, the following entry for the address Cross Street: RELATIONSHIP TO MARITAL NAME HEAD OF FAMILY STATUS AGE OCCUPATION WHERE BORN Robert Reid Head Married 21 Journeyman Saddler Scotland Ann " Wife Married 22 Cul, Keswick William " Son Unmarr 8mths " " Harriet Martineau's 1855 Directory of the Lake District, shows the entry: REID Robt saddler Bowness. 1861 Census - England This census shows for the township of Undermilbeck in the County of Westmorland, the following entry for the address Bowness Bank: RELATIONSHIP TO MARITAL NAME HEAD OF FAMILY STATUS AGE OCCUPATION WHERE BORN Robert Reid Head Married 31 Saddler Scot, Dalkeith Ann " Wife Married 33 Saddler's Wife Cum, St John's William " Son Unmarr 10 Scholar " " Robert " Son Unmarr 7 " Wes, Bowness Margaret Ann " Daur Unmarr 3 Wes, Bowness 1881 Census Dwelling: Park Lodge Census Place: Undermilbeck, Westmorland, England Source: FHL Film 1342256 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5208 Folio 73 Page 10 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Robert REID M 51 M Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Coach Trimmer Ann REID M 52 F Keswick, Cumberland, England Rel: Wife Margaret A. REID U 23 F Bowness, Westmorland, England Rel: Daur Jessie REID 14 F Bowness, Westmorland, England Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Charles GREENWOOD M 24 M York, England Rel: Visitor Occ: Captn Cumberland Militia Bertha M. GREENWOOD M 22 F Stafford, England Rel: Visitor Mary J. ROBSON U 45 F Cumberland, England Rel: Visitor Occ: Annuitant Lucy GREENWOOD U 27 F York, England Rel: Visitor Occ: Annuitant Sarah WELLS U 27 F Cheltenham, Gloucester, England Rel: Lodger Occ: Governess (School) 1891 Census - England This census shows for the town of Bowness in the County of Westmorland, the following entry for the address Park Lodge: RELATIONSHIP TO MARITAL NAME HEAD OF FAMILY STATUS AGE OCCUPATION WHERE BORN Robert Reid Head Widow 62 Retired Saddler Scotland Margaret " Daur Unmarr 32 Lodging Housese Keeper Wes, Windermere Thomas Richardson Son in law Married 25 Bankers Clerk York, ? Jessie " Daur Married 24 Wes, Windermere Phyllis " Granddaur Unmarr 3 Wes, Windermere Children of ROBERT REID and ANN CARTMEL are: i. WILLIAM3 REID, b. Abt. 11 July 1850, Keswick, Cumberland, England (Source: IGI on CD-Rom, "Electronic."); d. 18 May 1905 (Source: Headstone, Bowness Cemetery); m. SARAH E (Source: 1881 Census Return - England.); b. Catterick, Yorkshire, England. More About WILLIAM REID: Baptism: 11 July 1850, St John's In The Vale, Keswick, Cumberland (Source: IGI on CD-Rom, "Electronic.") Marriage Notes for WILLIAM REID and SARAH: 1881 Census: Dwelling: 126 Borough Rd Census Place: Birkenhead, Cheshire, England Source: FHL Film 1341857 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 3580 Folio 49 Page 11 Marr Age Sex Birthplace William REID M 30 M Vale Of St John, Cumberland, England Rel: Head Occ: Book Keeper Sarah E. REID M 28 F Catterick, York, England Rel: Wife Jessie REID 5 m F B'head Rel: Daur 1901 Census Holy Trinity Parish, Ryde, Isle of Wight. 58, Monkton Street William Reid; Head; M; 50; Clerk Civil Staff Royal Engs; Worker; Cumberland St John(s) Sarah E. Reid; Wife; M; 48; Yorkshire Catterick Jessie E. [Reid]; Daughter; S; 20; General Domestic; at home; Cheshire Birkenhead William E. [Reid]; Son; S ; 18; Clerk Civil.Staff Royal E.; Worker; [Cheshire Birkenhead] Frederic H. [Reid]; Son; S; 17; Chemist Apprentice; Worker [Cheshire Birkenhead] Percy B. [Reid]; Son; S; 15; [Cheshire Birkenhead] ii. ROBERT REID, b. 28 April 1853, Bowness On Windermere, Westmorland, England (Source: Birth Certificate.); d. Abt. 1935, Oxton, Birkenhead, Cheshire, England (Source: Reid Family Bible. Only location is mentioned. Date is estimated.); m. MARY ANN MOORE, 23 August 1877, St Catherine's Church, Tranmere, Cheshire, England (Source: Marriage Certificate.); b. 24 June 1855, 18 Mill Street, Stafford, Staffordshire, England (Source: Birth Certificate.); d. 15 February 1933, Oxton, Birkenhead, Cheshire, England (Source: Reid Family Bible.). Notes for MARY ANN MOORE: Uncle Cyril's letter mentions that Mary was "in service" as either a Cook or Nursemaid and this was when she met Robert who was a Butler (Gentlemen's Gentleman). Marriage Notes for ROBERT REID and MARY MOORE: The witnesses to the marriage were John R. Cuthbertson and Jane Moore. The celebrant a H. M. Stephenson. Author's Note: A John Cuthbertson, Clerk by occupation and born in Scotland, resides at 281 Claughton Road, Birkenhead in the 1881 Census, so perhaps this is the Best Man. Robert's address is shown as The Granges, Claughton, Bideston and his fathers occupation as Saddler. Mary's address is shown as Tranmere, and her fathers occupation as Shoemaker. 1881 Census Dwelling: 4 Broom Hill Census Place: Claughton With Grange, Cheshire, England Source: FHL Film 1341859 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 3588 Folio 133 Page 44 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Robert REID M 27 M Bowness Windermere Rel: Head Occ: Butler Domestic Serv Mary Ann REID M 25 F Stafford, England Rel: Wife Occ: Butlers Wife Robert W. REID 2 M Birkenhead Rel: Son George A. REID 1 M Stafford, England Rel: Son Emma MOORE U 18 F Stafford, England Rel: Sister In Law Occ: Dressmaker iii. MARGARET ANNE REID, b. Abt. 1856, Bowness On Windermere, Westmorland, England (Source: IGI on CD-Rom, "Electronic."); d. 8 March 1911, Lynwood, Queens Road, Windermere, Westmorland, England (Source: Probate Record.). iv. JESSIE REID, b. 10 September 1866, Bowness, Westmorland, England (Source: Birth Certificate.); m. THOMAS RICHARDSON (Source: Census Return - England.), Abt. 1889.