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Descendants of Thomas Hull

Generation No. 1

1. THOMAS⁹ HULL (WILLIAM JACKSON (UNPROVEN)⁸, MOSES⁷, SAMUEL⁶, SAMUEL⁵, SAMUEL⁴, JOSEPH³, THOMAS², RICHARD¹)¹ was born Bet. 07 November 1777 - 1779 in (?) Anson County, North Carolina, and died Abt. 1865 in Orange County, FL, buried at Mellonville, now Sanford, Fl or Enterprise, FL. He married WINIFRED EVANS^2,^3,⁴ 17 December 1801 in North Carolina, daughter of WILLIAM EVANS and WILMUTH/WILLMOUTH STOKES. She was born 17 October 1784 in Virginia ⁵, and died Abt. 01 March 1853 in Atlanta, GA area⁵.

Notes for THOMAS HULL:
The ancestors of Thomas Hull, father of Francis Marion Hull, have not been proven.

Tommie Stapleton has a (poor) xerox copy of the Family Bible pages of Thomas Hull that was donated to the Georgia Department of Archives and History by Edward F. Hull, P. O. Box 156, Ashland, AL 36251. The year of Thomas' birth recorded in the Family Bible is smeared and could be read as 1777 or 1779.

Thomas and Winnifred signed up for the first Georgia Lottery in 1802 in Jackson County, GA. This was soon after their marriage.

Thomas Hull is listed in the 1860 Orange County, Florida Census (Mellonville). It is thought that he moved to Florida in about 1855.

From a "Historical Genealogy On The Ancestry of William Benjamin Hull and Emily Harriett Watson Hull and Related Lines", by Dorothy Hull Shaw and Harold L. Shaw, July 1989:

Thomas and Winifred are known to have been in Putnam County (GA) in 1813. Putnam County was formed from part of Baldwin County, the latter having been created from the lands acquired from the Indians in 1803. They acquired a considerable amount of land in this area and lived there and farmed until about 1822. During this period, the first ten of their thirteen children were born.

In about 1822, Thomas and Winifred sold their property and moved to Henry County, Georgia, again "following the Indians". Henry County was created from Indian lands in 1821. In 1825, Butts County was created from the southern portion of Henry County. Thomas Hull bought land, according to deed records, in Butts County, on January 12, 1828, and his name appears on the initial Tax List for Butts County in 1828. This family appears in the 1830 federal census for Butts County.

In the 1830's Thomas Hull was a Commissioner in Butts County, having been one of the signatories to a County Order for bridge maintenance in 1837. His district in the county was known and listed as "Capt. C. Mason's District."

Somewhat puzzling is the fact that in the 1940 federal census, Thomas Hull appears in Henry County. It is possible that he had moved, but more likely, there may have been an adjustment to county lines, or possibly the census-taker may have erred. During this period the final three of his 13 children were born.

In the latter part of the 1840's, Thomas and Winifred Hull moved to Cobb County,GA. (Cobb Co. was created from Indians lands in 1832.) They appear in the 1850 census for Cobb County., with no children living at home. However, two of their sons, with families of their own, also appear to be living nearby (according to that census). In 1850, Thomas Hull would have been 73 years old, and Winifred 66 years old. Their Post Office address in Cobb County was Acworth. On a copy of a pre-Civil War map, showing names of landholders, the name "Hull" will be found just east of Acworth.

About March 1, 1853, Winifred Evans Hull, wife of Thomas Hull, died in Cobb County. Family legend says that she was buried in the Atlanta area, but to date the search for her grave has proven fruitless. (Prior to mid-1853 there was no legal requirement in Georgia to register deaths and burials with the County Court Clerk.

In late November, 1855, Thomas Hull, then a widower, and 73 years old, packed his goods, and along with a son (Benjamin Franklin Hull) and a grandson (William Benjamin Hull) and all of their families (and others - 36 people total) together with all of their belongings, moved, by ox/horse/mule caravan to Central Florida. In the 1860 census of Orange County, Florida there appears -- as a household -- the names of Thomas Hull, Benjamin F. Hull and John Hull (Benj. F.'s son). Their Post Office is at Mellonville (now Sanford, FL). (Note that Benjamin F. Hull is at that time also a widower.)

Thomas Hull died sometime between 1860 and 1870, and according to family legend was buried at Mellonville (Sanford) or at Enterprise.

Amongst family archives, there are some interesting glimpses of the character of Thomas Hull. As has already been seen, the evidence is that he was a rugged, self-reliant individual who was not afraid of a challenge. As will be seen, he had musical talent but was also a great outdoors man.

From archives of Simeon B. Hull: "Thomas (1777) Hull was a great fiddler and fiddled for parties. He had 2 dogs -- "Long Britches" and "Short Britches". Stepfather called him "Tommer" --." Continuing from the same writings: "Great-grandfather Thomas Hull of Elberton, GA. who married Miss Winifred Evans, visited his relative, Hope Hull of Athens (GA.) and other cousins, who called him "Tommie, the true child of nature", owing to his love for the woods and environs.

Later in this treatise there are some writings by Thomas Hull's grandson, Wiliam Benjamin Hull, about pioneer days in the Orlando area (in which, of course, Thomas Hull took part). At the appropriate place they will be presented in their entirety. However, at this point it is worthy to mention a specific incident which pertains to Thomas Hull. It has to do with a proposed "Indian hunt" being organized and in which Thomas proposed to participate. Quoting William Benjamin: "Eight of us took our guns and two-horse team, I was the driver, and my old grandfather then nearly eighty-five, (Ed. note: This would make the year about 1861-62) went with us, carrying his usual big stick. He simply would not be left behind, feeling that if there were dangers to face and any fighting to be done, that his place was at the front with the other men. He was confident if it came to a fight, that he would be able to take care of a few Indians. Those who knew him felt that he could do that very thing and agreed, if he so desired, that he should go along."

From all of the above, one can easily conclude that Tomas Hull had a long productive, physically active life, was well-known and respected and that he liked other people and vice-versa."

The following "Time Line" was prepared by Harold L. Shaw (12/22/98, revised):
1779 Birth Year NC (1850 census)      Date from Family Bible
VA (1860 census)

1801 (age 22) Married Winifred Evans Date from Family Bible

1802 (age 23) 1st child born (Wm. Hull)      Date from Family Bible

1803 (age 24) Land Lottery (entry only, Jackson County, GA GA Archives as Transcribed (verified)
did not win)

1813 (age 34) On Tax List, Putnam Co. GA, Courthouse Records

1820 (age 41) Fed Census, Putnam Co., GA 1820 Census (1 male 26-45)

1822 (age 43) Sold Land, Henry Co., GA, Deed to John Farmer.

1826 (age 45) First child married, Elbert Co.,GA, Courthouse Records

1828 (age 49) Bought land, Butts Co., GA (formed 1825) Courthouse Records.

1828 (age 49) On first Tax List, Butts Co., GA, Courthouse Records

1830 (age 51) Fed. Census, Butts Co., GA, 1830 Census (1 male 50-60).

1837 (age 58) County Commissioner (could be Thomas, Jr.) , Butts Co., GA, History of Butts Co., GA.

1840 (age 61) Fed. Census, Henry Co.,GA 1840 Census (1 male 50-60).

1850 (age 71) Fed. Census,Cobb Co., GA 1850 Census (age shown: 71).

1853 (age 74) Wife dies, Cobb Co., GA, Obit. Records

1854 (age 75) relocated, Orange Co., FL. Family Records.

1860 (age 81) Fed. Census, Orange Co., FL (Age not legible, bad photocopy).

ca. 1865 Died, ? Orange Co., FL, No Obit. Found.

Harold L. Shaw also wrote on "The Search for the Grave of Thomas Hull" as follows:

Thomas Hull, was amongst the group, including his grandson, William Benjamin Hull, who moved from Acworth, Cobb Co., GA in late 1855 to Mellonville (now Sandford, Fl). Thomas Hull's wife, Winifred (Thornton? (my files say EVANS) ) Hull died some time between 1850 and 1855 and is said to have been buried in the Atlanta area. Thomas was thus a widower an about 78 years old at the time of this move to Florida. Others in this group who moved include Thomas Hull's son, Benjamin Franklin Hull (who was also a widower) and at least two of the latter's children, John and Melissa. Also in the group, of course, was the wife (of about a year) of William Benjamin Hull. She was the former Miss Emily Harriett Watson of Cobb Co., GA. (Names shown above are only a part of the total of 36 who are said to have been in this entourage).

It would appear that between 1856 and 1860 that William Benjamin Hull and his wife, Emily, moved into the present Orlando area, while Benjamin Franklin Hull and Thomas (and B.F.'s children) stayed behind in the Mellonville (Sanford, Fl.) area. In the 1860 census of Orange County (what is now Seminole County was then part of Orange County) Thomas Hull is listed in the Mellonville District and his name is followed by that of B.F. Hull and that of B. F.'s son, John - all in the same household. But in the 1870 census, Thomas does not appear. According to another legend, we know that Thomas lived at least to an age "approaching 85". Thus he probably died sometime in the period 1862 to 1870.

There are two legends as to the burial place of Thomas Hull. One of these says "Mellonville", the other "Enterprise" (which is on the north shore of Lake Monroe, directly opposite Sanford).

As to the Enterprise version, Melissa, the daughter of B. F. Hull married a man named Elijah Watson, probably in time frame of 1855-60. They were, at least for a short time in the mercantile business in Enterprise. (But they apparently moved back to Cobb County, GA not long after the marriage because most of their children were born there.) In any event, it is possible that Thomas was old and ill and that his granddaughter was taking care of him -- and thus he could have been buried in Enterprise.

However, a search of the old (Est. 1835) cemetery in Enterprise has turned up nothing. It was recently discovered that there are a number of graves out in the palmetto/pine scrub just north of this cemetery, and it is possible that Thomas' grave could be there (many of these are unmarked).

As to the Mellonville (Sanford) version: The original cemetery was apparently a combination of military-civilian burial ground. It was near the fort (Mellon) on the east side of town. According to Lawyer-Historian, Mr. Andrew Spear, in Sanford, about 1908, this cemetery was closed and the remains were removed to the present cemetery on 25 St. (Old part of this cemetery is called "Lakeview", new part, "Evergreen").

Thus, the "Mellonville" cemetery no longer exists. But a thorough search at Lakeview cemetery on 25th Street has not revealed the grave of Thomas Hull. If Benjamin Franklin Hull was living in the Mellonville area when his father, Thomas, died, then it is likely that Thomas was in fact buried at the old Mellonville Cemetery. The remains may not have been moved (nor the tombstone) when that cemetery was closed.

The riddle may never be solved, but may simply pass into the oblivions of the past.

........by Harold L. Shaw
March 23, 1989

Also, the report from John T. Hull, Jr., Plano, TX, regarding additional census information:
Date:      12/29/98 7:03:01 PM Eastern Standard Time
From:      JohnTHull
To:      Tommie1210

I had some time this afternoon, so went down to the Dallas library and did a few look-ups in the censuses. I found F.M. Hull in the 1850 Henry Co., GA, census, as follows:

586-586:
F. M. Hull, 28, M, Mechanic, 150 (Value of Real Est.), GA
S. Hull, 23, F, GA
R. L. Hull, 7, M, GA
T. J. Hull, 6, M, GA
A. W. Hull, 1, M, GA

A couple of observations. First of all, I couldn't find him in an index to the 1850 GA census under "Hull." He was listed under "Hall," along with another F.M., four Francis', and three Francis M.'s. However, when I looked at the actual census page, it was clearly spelled "Hull." The names and ages of the children give me some heartburn. In the 1860 census in Rusk Co., TX, the first son is listed as John L. Hull, age 17. In this census it was clearly "R. L." The age, however matches up exactly, i.e., age 7 in 1850 and age 17 in 1860. The second son, Thomas J., is listed as age 6 in the 1850 census , but as age 14 in the 1860 census. According to his tombstone, he was born June 21, 1844. So the census in 1850 would be correct, while the census in 1860 would be two years off. I can understand being off perhaps a year, but not two years. In any event, this is the F.M. Hull cited by Dave Boatman as being in the 42nd District in Henry Co. in 1850.

I also looked up Thomas Hull in the 1850 census in Cobb Co., GA. The results:

621-621:
Thomas Hull, 71, M, W, Farmer, 1,200, North Car.
Wineyford Hull, 66, F, W, Vir.

Notice the spelling of his mate's name. I guess it was accurate "phonetically." This census would tend to confirm that Thomas was born in 1779, as opposed to 1777. However, I've learned to not take census ages as "total gospel." This also points to his having been born in North Carolina.

Lastly, I looked in the 1880 census for another F.M. Hull. There was only one Hull in the 1880 census for Kaufman Co., TX - and it was an F. M. Hull, as follows:

District 40, 67-67:
Hull, F.M., W, M, 25, Farmer, KY, TN, NC
M.S., W, F, 21, Wife, Keeping house, MO, TN, TN
W.F., W, M, 1, Son, At home, TX, KY, MO

Whether this is the F.M. that wrote the letter is up to conjecture. This was obviously a relatively young man. If it was he, in fact, who wrote the letter in 1889, he would have been an "ancient" 34 or 35 years of age. Perhaps this was a son who later had his father (with the same name) move in with him. In any event, this particular F.M. Hull does not apparently have any direct connection to Georgia and the age is way off.

John

More About THOMAS HULL:
Burial: Unknown, possibly: Old Mellonville Cemetery or Enterprise, FL

Notes for WINIFRED EVANS:
Winnifred Evans Hull died about 3 days after her son John died (Feb. 1853).

Ann Farnsworth has Winifred's date of death as 1855, Atlanta, GA

Some web sites spell her name as Winnefred Evans.

More About THOMAS HULL and WINIFRED EVANS:
Marriage: 17 December 1801, North Carolina

Children of THOMAS HULL and WINIFRED EVANS are:

2.	i.	WILLIAM¹⁰ HULL, b. 19 October 1802, possibly Putnam County, (possibly Burke Co.) Georgia; d. Unknown.
	ii.	ELIZABETH HULL^5,⁶, b. 13 October 1804, possibly Putnam County, Georgia ⁷; d. 13 July 1810⁷.
	iii.	MARY ANN HULL^7,⁸, b. 25 August 1806, possibly Putnam County, Georgia ⁹; d. WFT Est. 1807-1900⁹; m. BROWN¹⁰; d. Unknown.

Notes for MARY ANN HULL:
Nickname: Polly

3.	iv.	JULIA HULL, b. 13 May 1808, possibly Putnam County, Georgia; d. 11 May 1856, Vienna, GA.
4.	v.	JOHN HULL, b. 23 February 1810, possibly: Putnam County, Georgia; d. 23 February 1853, Cobb County, Georgia.
5.	vi.	THOMAS THORNTON HULL, b. 11 March 1812, possibly Putnam County, Georgia; d. 18 March 1881, Acworth, Cobb County, Georgia.
	vii.	ANSLUM EVANS HULL^11,^12,¹³, b. 11 March 1814, Putnam County, Georgia ¹⁴; d. Unknown¹⁴.

Notes for ANSLUM EVANS HULL:
Dave Boatman, lists his birth date as 27 November 1814.

Harold & Dorothy (Hull) Shaw list his birth date as March 11, 1814

Alternate spellings for his name is Anslem Evans Hull.

6.	viii.	REUBEN THORNTON HULL, b. 06 March 1816, Putnam County, Georgia; d. WFT Est. 1817-1906.
7.	ix.	BENJAMIN FRANKLIN HULL, b. 01 May 1818, Putnam County, Georgia; d. 1892, Orange County, Florida.
8.	x.	FRANCIS MARION HULL, b. 01 May 1821, Putnam County, Georgia; d. 12 August 1883, near Marquez, Texas.
9.	xi.	HARRIETT ANN MELISSA HULL, b. 05 July 1823, Butts, Henry County , Georgia; d. WFT Est. 1824-1917.
	xii.	LUCIANN HULL^14,¹⁵, b. 03 January 1825, Butts, Henry County? , Georgia ¹⁶; d. Abt. 1908 ¹⁷; m. THOMAS HUEY/HUGHEY¹⁸, 27 October 1847; d. Unknown.

Notes for LUCIANN HULL:
Dave Boatman Hull Registry states: "Did she first marry Augustus Elliott on Dec. 11, 1845 ?

More About THOMAS HUEY/HUGHEY and LUCIANN HULL:
Marriage: 27 October 1847

xiii.

SUSANNA EMILY HULL^19,²⁰, b. 27 June 1827, Butts, Henry County? , Georgia ²¹; d. WFT Est. 1828-1921²¹; m. AUGUSTUS ELLIOTT²², 11 December 1845 ²³; d. Unknown.

More About AUGUSTUS ELLIOTT and SUSANNA HULL:
Marriage: 11 December 1845²³

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