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Ancestors of Patrick Martin Stevens, Jr.


      40. John Stewart, born Abt. 1695 in Berwickshire, Scotland?; died Abt. 1784.

Notes for John Stewart:
Alex Stewart, of England and Ireland, writes in December 2005 of the early Stewarts:

The Stewarts are from the royal Stewarts, the name Stuart being a spurious French contrivance during Mary's first marriage. The early House of Stewart was, of course, Stewart, and gained their name from the formerly being the High Stewards of the kings of Scotland, and before that they were FitzAlan, and before Scotland and Shropshire they were from the small cathedral town of Dol in Brittany in the 900s, but I expect you know that well. I have them in my genealogy. Regards, Alex <AlexStewart17@aol.com>




     
Child of John Stewart is:
  20 i.   Captain John Stewart, born 16 October 1734 in Bristol Parish, Prince George Co., VA; died Bef. 04 August 1784 in Amherst Co., VA; married Ann Haw 1755 in Hanover Co., VA.


      42. John Haw II596, born Abt. 1718 in VA; died Abt. 1772 in Hanover Co., VA597. He was the son of 84. John Haw and 85. Elizabeth Carlton. He married 43. Sarah Richardson Abt. 1737 in Hanover Co., VA.

      43. Sarah Richardson598, born Abt. 1720. She was the daughter of 86. John Richardson.

Notes for John Haw II:
Liz Mims, a descendant, notes, 31 December, 1999: "John Haw immigrated from Leeds England, date unsure. He married Elizabeth Carlton, settled in Hanover Co. adjoining Patrick Henry's home of Studley and had a son John Haw II. John Haw I died about the beginning of the Revolutionary War. John Haw II died in early 1800's leaving two minor sons, John Haw III (editor: I show him as John IV) and Richardson Tyree Haw. John the III inherited a farm called Oak Grove and Richardson a farm, Locust Grove, about a mile away. I descend from Richardson Tyree Haw and Margaret Mills Watt. The Haw's and Watt's married brothers and sisters producing several sets of double first cousins. Interesting family history."

NOTE that if our Nancy Haw Stewart was about the same age as John Stewart, then she could not be the sister of John Haw and Richardson Tyree Haw. There is a generation missing of these Johns, I think, and I am including a John whom I call John III as a link between them.

Art Taylor, <aht3rd@hotmail.com> in reply to Liz, above, February 01, 2000, "These Haws are also mine. I live in Hanover Co., VA. What is source of your data. A great deal of mine came from Mary Jane Haw, the Mortons, etc. Looking for death dates of John I & II. What about the Carltons (Carletons)? Have great deal of data on lines of Johns, Richardson Haws. What info is there on the Leeds background? Where are you now? Am past president of Hanover County Historical Society. Have access to most all of printed Hanover data. How can we share?"

If Ann Haw who married John Stewart was a Haw, and not a Hawes, this was her father. "There was only one Haw family in Virginia. John Haw, a schoolmaster, came to Va. in the early 1700s from England and married the wealthy widow Richardson," Sadie F. Stovall wrote to Pat Stevens Jr., 1928. She descends from John Stewart's sister, Ann Stewart.

John married also, according to Sadie, Catherine Charlton. (ed.: thought to be, better, Carlton or Carleton.) His daughter Ann was from Richardson, however, says Sadie.

But, see also this: Courtesy of Angela Harrell <harrell@graceba.net> "Regarding Ann's parents, I have found some notes-- Henry Haw and wife, Dorcas Haw testify that their child is of age to marry in the State of Virginia, county of Hanover. Witness is Ann's brother, Thomas. Thomas was christened on November 27, 1726 at Richmond North Farnham Parish."

Thomas and Henry, let alone Dorcas, do not appear in the John Haw line, but here they are in the same area. Relations?

So -- what was Ann's father's name? Henry or John? Haw? Hawes? I think most probably it was John Haw, the school teacher. See also elsewhere for notes.
     
Child of John Haw and Sarah Richardson is:
  21 i.   Ann Haw, born Abt. 1738 in Hanover Co., VA; died Aft. 1804 in Cherry Hill, Oglethorpe Co., GA; married Captain John Stewart 1755 in Hanover Co., VA.


      44. William Floyd1,2,3, born Abt. 1721 in Accomac County, VA4,5; died Aft. 1800 in probably Jefferson Co., KY6,7,8. He was the son of 88. John Floyd and 89. Ann [--?--]. He married 45. Abadiah Abigail Davis Abt. 1746 in Amherst Co., VA9.

      45. Abadiah Abigail Davis10,11,12,13, born Abt. 1730 in Accomac Co., VA14; died Bet. 1822 - 1824 in Charles Floyd's home, Beargrass Creek, near Louisville, KY15. She was the daughter of 90. Robert Davis and 91. Abediah Lewis.

Notes for William Floyd:
~~ These are my notes (or I credit others); if you use them, fine, but please cite me as your reference, so that if I change my notes (which is all the time), others can track the info back to me. Thanks! ~~

We have no proof that this William Floyd is the son of John Floyd, born abt 1701, but as these notes relate, I have come to believe so.

(But there is another construct which has this William b 1721as the son of John Floyd, son of Charles Floyd, son of John Floyd b abt 1643 in prob Wales... and m Mary Berry and d 26 Jul 1687 Northampton Co., Va, and it is this line that I currently (Jun 2008) think the best, but unproved, choice; see below after the next "line")
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These notes are those which are not part of the above perturbation suggesting Wm is the son of John son of Charles son of John b abt 1643:

We should note that there is a marriage between Mrs. Burgomy and an Edward Floyd in Henrico County, a marriage that gave rise to Ann Floyd born abt 1662, documented as the wife of Joseph Tanner (married 1682), shown in these notes. Edward b 1641 or so and his wife are not the parents of our William. The years do not fit.

Anna Cartlidge speculates that our William is the son of John as I have shown (previously as the John III b abt 1695). But I have previously left the line 'broken' here because there is no proof. However, in March, 2003, I have come to believe these "two" Williams are the same William and will henceforth record them as such. There is considerable, but vague, evidence. Certainly, the two John Floyds who appeared together at the Jackson Inaugural a century later were thought to be cousins. Anna Cartlidge by the 1960s thought William, the father of Col. John Floyd, was a son of John of Accomac... Further, in her 1966 paper, unpublished, "Children and Grandchildren of William and Abadiah Davis Floyd," she notes " We may never know who William's parents were, but it is my private opinion that they were John Floyd, Jr., and Mrs. Burgomy." But which Mrs. Burgomy, and what is her name?

Nevertheless that is what I have allowed for here, but have not indicated William's mother. I cannot make dates to make sense unless I construct a line as shown here.

We certainly know that William, born about 1721 probably in Accomac County, was the husband of Abadiah Davis. I have come to believe this line with the dates applied to make sense: John, born abt 1643, John, abt 1675, John, born about 1695, and William, 1721.

William moved always westward, until finally he was in the vicinity of Louisville, Kentucky for his final days. But by the 1730s he was in Goochland County, for in 1738 we have this (excerpted from the order book):

Deed 19 Sept. 1738 William FLORD of St. James Parish, Goochland Co., to James BOSTICK of same, for £16,200 acres bounded by the Appomattox River, being part of 350 acres granted to Peter BURGE, late of Goochland Co., and by his will given to William FLORD. (One may take FLORD for Floyd, and BURGE for Burgamy, as the name is quite clear in other entries in the same book.) William had this acreage from Peter Burgamy, most probably his step-brother, whose grant it was on the 20th June, 1733, recorded in the order book, Goochland Co. And Peter's will we have record of today: Part of Index to Goochland County Virginia Wills & Adminís. (1728-1800), pp 95-96, Will, probated 20 May 1735; Deed Book No. 2, 1734-1736.

The origin of the Floyds in 18th century Virginia is attributed to any of several early Floyd settlers. The notes I have scattered through this Floyd collection suggest a very early origin, as early as 1623, but more likely 1637. William was probably descended from 17th century Floyd settlers, possibly among them Richard Floyd who traveled in 1654, Walter Floyd in 1632, or Nathaniel Floyd in 1637, and others of later date, probably related to these. But I have chosen what I show above.

The only cite I have found directly to a Floyd family member-- other than NJ Floyd's work and Governor Floyd's wife Letitia Preston-- is Collins' History of Kentucky, which quotes Letitia Preston Floyd, born 1814. See those notes under her name.

And in Nov., 2002, Frances Noury Johnson, a great great grandaughter of Dr. George Frederick Holmes, kindly sent me a copy of his letter to Alexander Brown concerning the Floyds. His wife Lavalette was a daughter of the first governor, John Floyd of Virginia. This letter is owned by the library of the University of North Carolina Manuscript Department, and they note may be protected under copyright. He wrote from the University of Virginia on 17 May 1886:

QUOTE Alexander Brown, Esq. Nelson Co., Va.

Dear Sir, The interesting items of Davis genealogy have been communicated to Mrs. Holmes, and I send for her such items of interest as she possesses. They are slight, and disconnected, but are of such a character to explain and work in with the information which you may possess, or may obtain.

The Indian blood has always been recognized in the Floyd family, and was very manifest in her brother, Dr. William Floyd, and in her father, the first Governor Floyd. It was equally apparent in complexion, hair, and frame. John Floyd, the father of the first Governor Floyd, went to Kentucky. He was the son of William Floyd and Abigail Davis. Through Abby Davis the Indian blood came.

She was the daughter of Robert Davis, Sr. of Amherst, who was the son of an Indian squaw. The unbroken tradition is that this squaw, the mother of the said Robert Davis, was descended from Opecancanough, not a Catawba, but a Powhatan Indian. Her husband was reported to have been an Indian trader settled in Amherst County.

In riding up, from Jordan's farm on James River, through the rolling foothills, the thick pines and the thin lands, along the base of the Blue Ridge, I was shown the neighbourhood where the tradition of a Floyd settlement still lingered.

It was always recognized that the Floyds and the Venables were related, but the relationship was never understood, till explained to me by the late Abraham Venable of North Carolina, who moved to that State from Virginia, after the adoption of the Va. Constitution of 1881. He told me, that he often heard in his boyhood of Aunt Abby Floyd. His father, possibly his grandfather having married her sister, whose name was, I think, Martha.

From this same Davis origin are descended the Powells and Robertsons of Amherst and the Maryes of Fredericksburg, as well as the Browns.

Robert Davis Jr. who migrated to Kentucky with the first settlers, was accompanied by a brother. Both were killed by the Indians, in the Bear Grass settlement where the kinsman had a fort.

Presdt. Jefferson Davis, who married Genl. Taylor's daughter, at the home of my wife's Aunt in Louisville, was supposed at the time to be an offshoot from the "black Davises" of Kentucky, my wife's people and yours.
We are unable to give any information in regard to either of the wives of Robert Davis Sr. about whom you inquire.

Now, can you tell me, in what part or parts of Florida, John and Absalom Davis's descendants are to be found.

I have a son living in Marion County.

I should be glad to hear any further discoveries you may make, as I am interested in these inquiries.

Yours Resp. Geo. Fred. Holmes END QUOTE

Some of the earlier-- that is before William-- Floyds are shown in these notes, but as I noted above for a time I detached this William, Col. John Floyd's father, from them. For a time I carried William as the son of Samuel, but dates and other information from Marguerite Evans Mathews lead me to believe that is not the case. See Samuel Floyd, born 1718, for more on all this. I do think it likely that William descends in some fashion from John Floyd, born perhaps in Accomac County, 1675, as I note above. As Anna Cartlidge said in her 1966 work, while there is little chance that William of Amherst and Samuel were brothers, they are beyond a doubt descended from a common ancestor. She notes Brice Claggett's (a Floyd descendant of the Ga. Floyds) assertion that Gov. John Floyd and Gen. John Floyd looked so much alike they were mistaken for each other. As is mentioned elsewhere, they were guests at the White House Inaugural festivities of Andrew Jackson, and probably other functions.

Perhaps one of the best cogitations about William's heritage is contained in William B. Marye's letters to Richard Hill of the Filson Club, August 10-25th, 1962, and here kindly summarized by the marvellous researcher Alexandra Luken of Louisville, Ky, who is quoted and cited dozens of times in these notes for her work on this and related families:

LETTERS AND NOTES FROM ALEX LUKEN BEGIN

William Marye's great-grandmother Marye was Anna Maria Burton, of Albemarle Co. VA who married in 1816, John Lawrence Marye of Brompton (Marye's Heights) near Fredericksburg VA. Her mother was Elizabeth Powell, the daughter of Wiatt Powell of Amherst Co. VA by his wife Sally Floyd, daughter of William Floyd and Abadiah Davis. ( .... he mentions that NJ made serious errors in family data, and was irked that he referred to Wiatt Powell as "Wyatt Powell" and being from Northampton Co., when in fact several generations came from Caroline Co. I am left with the impression that he regards NJ's book as a collection of family stories). (Editor: This is NJ Floyd's 1912 work, frequently cited, but frequently wrong.)

William Floyd appears in Albemarle co. in 1745/6 when he received a bounty for a wolf's head, and he bought and sold land there in 1750-1. Late in life he removed to what is now Kentucky and was one of the earliest settlers of Jefferson County, where on the Floyd's Fork of the Salt River he was living with his sons Robert and Charles as late as 1789.

William Floyd in naming his children seems to have been scrupulous in bestowing on them a due proportion of Christian names taken from his wife's family and I believe he did the same for his own family. He called a daughter Abadiah after his wife, a son Robert after his wife's father, another son Nathaniel after his wife's grandfather Davis, and another son Isham who is his wife's uncle. His eldest son was Col. John Floyd and his second son was named Charles which suggests the theory that his father was a John Floyd and his grandfather a Charles Floyd. (Editor: this is not the order I have; indeed John is older than Charles, but Isham is older than John.... nor do I think the elder earlier Charles is in the direct line, but that it is William, 1721, to his father John, 1695, thence to John born abt 1675... )

John Floyd the founder of the Eastern Shore family was in Northampton Co. by 1639. He died in 1687. He was one-fourth owner of Hog Island and took up another sea island which contained 400 acres. I do not think he was ever wealthy and he held no important office. One of his sons, Charles Floyd, was a member of the of the House of Burgesses and died intestate in 1719. He had a son, John, whose inventory was taken in 1744. I think it quite possible that he was the father of our William Floyd, but at any rate, it seems not improbable that William Floyd was a grandson of Charles Floyd.

Comments on NJ Floyd from William Marye: Capt. Floyd was born in 1828. His father, Nathaniel Wilson Floyd, was the son of Charles Floyd, who was in turn the son of William Floyd. Captain Floyd's father was 35 years old when his father died, and his father was over 34 years old when William Floyd was living in KY. In other words, it is quite likely that Captain Floyd got his information about the family coming from the Eastern Shore from his father, who would have gotten it from his father, who would have known it to be true. William Floyd may not have had a lot to say about his parents or where he came from, and the story of his coming over the Bay from the Eastern Shore may be an invention, but I think that it is probably true.

On page 108 and 109 of the Floyd Biographical Genealogies NJ Floyd tells how he came into possession of a book called "A Little Family History" by Mary Floyd Hamilton, a granddaughter of Charles Floyd who went to SC from Northampton Co. and thence to GA. Capt. Floyd implies that the Ga. Floyds were known to be cousins. He quotes a letter he received from Mary Floyd McAdoo, whose father was the son of Gen. John Floyd. It seems he was the only child of the aforesaid Charles Floyd. Her account of the family agrees with that of Mary Floyd Hamilton, but does not seem to be based on it. She adds a generation: Samuel and Susan Dixon Floyd.

The line of Northampton Floyds begins with John Floyd who was living in that county in 1629, when he was involved with a suit with Anthony Hoskins. In the 1666 Tax List he is listed with John Wilkins, no slaves. In 1681 he was one of 4 patentees of Hog Island, 2200 acres. He left a will in which he mentions his sons and daughters, including a son Charles, who died in 1719. In 1704 Charles was taxed on 400 acres, so it is doubtful that he was ever wealthy. Charles left a will in which he mentions his children including a son Samuel. I believe this Samuel was the g.g.grandfather of old Mrs. McAdoo. She says he married Susan Dixon.

Charles Floyd had a son named John whose inventory was filed in Northampton Co. in 1744. He died intestate, and his eldest son would have inherited his land if he had any. Our William appears in Albemarle Co. in 1745. In view of the well attested relationship between the Albemarle Co. Kentucky Floyds and the Georgia Floyds, I think it is not impossible that William Floyd was the son of John Floyd, son of Charles. (Editor: However, I do not show this possibility).

I looked up Collins History of Kentucky, 1874. The authorities which he gives for his statements concerning Col. John Floyd are quite impressive. He was corresponding with a granddaughter of Col. Floyd, Mrs. Lewis (Editor: this is Letitia Preston Floyd born in 1814 of John Floyd (born 1783) who married William Lynn Lewis in 1837) and may have obtained the Floyd ancestry information from her. He says that two brothers came over from Wales and settled in Accomac Co. VA. One of them was Col. Floyd's grandfather. From them, he says, all Floyds of VA-KY-GA are descended.
LETTERS END

N.J. Floyd, Biographical Genealogies of the Kentucky-Virginia Floyds, 1912: Southern Biographies and Genealogies, 1500s-1940s

William Floyd, the progenitor of the Virginia-Kentucky branch of the family, was born in Accomac County, Virginia, about the year 1721. He was a son or grandson (more likely the latter) of John Floyd, the wealthy owner of over two thousand acres of fine tobacco land in Accomac and Northampton Counties. He received the rudiments of a substantial education, which was completed only in the line of mathematics. He commenced active life as a surveyor working in the James River Valley from the settlement at Richmond up to the foothills of the Blue Ridge Mountains. In a region which was little more than a primeval forest, now known as Amherst County, he patented a body of land on which he made a home for himself. A dozen miles distant was the commodious Bungalow of Nathaniel Davis, a Welshman by descent, and one of the very early settlers in that region. He had made quite a large fortune by trading with the Catawba and other Indians, and by locating choice river-bottom lands from the present site of Lynchburg up to the Balcony Falls. Mr. Davis had among other children a beautiful daughter named Abadiah, whom the young man fell in love with and won for his bride. She was of excellent Welsh ancestry on her father's side, and one fourth of her blood on her mother's side, was derived from the most distinguished Indian ancestry. Her mother's mother, Nicketti-- Indian equivalent for "Beautiful Flower"--was a granddaughter of the noted Powhatan (the daughter of his youngest daughter) while the father of Nicketti was a chief of the small but warlike Cayuga tribe. Nicketti, whom the white people dubbed "Princess Nicketti," married a noted Scotch hunter and fur trader by the name of Hughes who made his chief headquarters near the beautiful Balcony Falls of James River, where Nathaniel Davis met and married a daughter of his who was the mother of Abadiah. (ed.: through these pages I have at times taken issue with this rendering, but the Floyd family tradition is so well known that it needs to be recorded here.)

William Floyd was mentioned in his son's 1782 will.

William was living in Jefferson County, Ky. in 1800, notes the biographer Samuel Bassett French. (Library of Virginia)

Here is one of William's land deals recorded in early Amherst, courtesy Alex Luken and the Web site noted for Mathews, and note the names!

"Albemarle Co., VA Deed Books & Amherst Co., VA early deeds....

"14 Aug 1750 Wm Floyd- signed also by WM. MATTHEWS at end- to Saml. Burks Jr. for L100, 400 acres upper side of Pedlar. Wit: Wm Cabell, Matt. Jordan. (This is doubtless the famous Floyd family of Amherst. It will be recalled by researchers that Pedlar River became part of area of Amherst)" on the site at <http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/7054/Families/Mathews/mathews.htm>

Other transactions in the county are reported here: <http://users.rcn.com/deeds/Amherst.txt>

342 Wm Floyd 25 Sep 1746 PB 24:503-1 400a Goochlan/S s Pedlar Riv
34 Wm Floyd 3 Mar 1760 PB 33:703-1 400a Albemarl/N s of a N br of Horsleys Ck
50 Wm Floyd 14 Jul 1769 PB 38:662-1 300a Amherst/S s Pedlar Riv on Enchanted Mt

Anna Cartlidge in her unpublished 1966 paper states her belief that William was descended from the John Floyd born abt 1676 (I carry 1675) in these notes. She also notes that William was born in 1721 and died in Ky. in 1800.

References to these Floyds are found in: "Life and Diary of John Floyd, Governor of Virginia, an Apostle of Secession, and Father of the Oregon Country" by Charles H Ambler; "Children and Grandchildren of William and Abadiah (Davis) Floyd," compiled by Anna Margaret Cartlidge 1966; "Col John Floyd: Reluctant Adventurer" by Anna M. Cartlidge and published in Register of the Kentucky Historical Society, #66, 1968; "In a Dangerous Situation - Letters of Col. John Floyd" edited by Neal Hammon and James Russell Harris, printed in Register of the Kentucky Historical Society, #83, 1985, and "Genealogy of the Floyd and Stewart Families" by Pauline Stewart Crosley, 1899. (courtesy of Tuck Wilson) I would add the 'Winning of the West' by Theodore Roosevelt, usually in 4 volumes, about 1904.

There are almost numberless Floyds in the 1870s Virginia and West Virginia region, which by their names (William, Abby, and so on, must descend in some way from these early Floyds... the ones who did not go west, or, as Alex Luken says, "the ones left behind...." We are working to find the ties that bind these families together... if those ties exist. The problem is that we know so little-- or nothing-- of this William's (1721- ) brothers or sisters... a similar gap is how William himself is related to the SC and Ga. Floyds.... (November 2002)

From Ray Isbell, <isbell2@hotmail.com>, March 2002, a Floyd descendant of a different line, this kind note:

"Hi, Pat, William Floyd of Amherst was the brother of John Floyd II, according to some descendants of John in S.C. 100 years ago (which was still 100 years after the fact) and in some books in Newberry Co, SC, the most recent being the Bicentennial History of Newberry, which stated they were brothers. If I recall, it's also stated or inferred in the book The Kentucky Floyd Families, isn't it? (Ed. this is the N.J. Floyd 1912 work.) I don't have anything substantial either, but I thought Alex Luken's statement in her email (below) was interesting. I need to more carefully dissect these statements and determine whether there is anything proving this was the William who was Capt. John's brother. Capt. John Floyd III's father (m. Ann Hurst) owned land adjoining wife Nancy Andrews' father William Andrews in VA., which helps identify them. I believe John Floyd II is proved as having sons John (III) and William (of Amherst?)"

Alex's note: "....... This is what I find exciting: John Floyd m. Ann Hurst is right age to be a brother of William Floyd m. Abadiah Davis. There is some sort of elusive Hurst-Floyd connection that I would run across-- Robert Clark Floyd, son of Wm. Floyd and Abadiah Davis, was involved with a lawsuit in Vincennes IN in 1802-- US v. Hurst. Also, the name Woodford Lee Hurst and Martin Floyd Hurst b. ca. 1828 in Indiana pops up, and Martin Floyd Hurst named a son Woodford Floyd Hurst. Woodford Floyd is a desendant of William Floyd, and Lee is a middle name used in the family. Also, the given names in John Floyd m. Nancy Andrews family are consistent with Floyd family naming patterns. Regards, Alex Luken" (For more on the Robert Clark Floyd name, see note from Alex under Esther Floyd in these notes).

William, or perhaps a child, might have a connection to the mulatto Floyds noted below, courtesy of Alex Luken and the Amherst web site shown:

This is really fascinating! John N. Rose is John Nicklons (Nicholas?) Rose, son of Patrick and Mary Rose. Patrick and two brothers, Hugh and Charles. <http://members.aol.com/ACHMuseum/muse/musemay02.html> The Rose brothers were sons of Robert Rose, a scottish minister.

From: Mstrekken@aol.com
Date: December 18, 2006 8:03:44 PM EST
To: vaamhers@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [VAAMHERS] Mitchell Floyd
Reply-To: vaamhers@rootsweb.com
The following is taken from Strangers In Their Midst The Free Black Population of Amherst County, Virginia by Sherrie S. McLeRoy and William R. McLeroy. Page 141
Legislative Petition: December 4, 1811: ( in Amherst Co., VA, which states) To the Honble the speaker and members of the Gen; Assembly of Virginia the Petition of Betty Dean, Franky Dean, Billy Dean, John Dean, Henry Dean, Daphne Dean, Samuel Floyd, Frank Floyd and Mitchell Floyd humble sheweth that they have been lately emancipated from a state of slavery by the humanity of Miss Margaret Rose and Capt. Jno N. Rose to whom they of right belonged, and being very desirous from many weighty considerations to remain in this State
(but being informed that by the existing laws of the Country they are prohibited from that privilege ( sic) unless by a special interference of your Honble Body,) they beg leave in the most humble and respectful manner to solicit that favor at your hands. Your Petitioners were born and raised in the County of Amherst and they now reside part of them in that County and the rest of them in the County of Nelson and for the peaceful disposition and industrious habits which they hope they will be able to make appear to the satisfaction of your Honble body they rest in the hope that their prayer will be granted and that a law will pass allowing them to remain in this state and to enjoy such rights and privileges as are allowed to free citizens of this Commonwealth.

We whose names are hereunto subscribed do certify that we have for many years been acquainted with the certain (?) Petitioners, that they have been peaceable and inoffensive in their Disposition, as far as we know or believe, that they are generally useful and industrious Mechanicks (sic) and we are fully (?) that they will at no time become chargeable to the State, that they are so nearly white that they would not be taken to be mulattoes where they were not known and upon the whole we are of the opinion that no injury could result to allow them the privilege (sic) of remaining in this State.

Given under our hands this (blank) day of 11/1811. Signed by 14 persons. The Legislature's response to the Dean - Floyd petition:

rejected

______________________________

Now let me return to the parent of William noted as the May 2008 arrangement. We formerly had the early Floyds like this:

Descendants of John Floyd
                                   
      1       John Floyd      b: Abt. 1643 in prob. Wales            d: 26 July 1687 in Northampton Co., VA     
..            +Mary Berry      b: Abt. 1644      m: Abt. 1660 in Northampton Co., VA      d: in prob. Northampton Co., VA     
.......      2       Charles Floyd      b: Abt. 1660 in Northampton Co., VA            d: Bef. December 1718     
...........            +Elizabeth (unk)      b: Abt. 1680                 
.................      3       John Floyd      b: Abt. 1701            d: 1744     
..........................      4       John Floyd      b: Abt. 1725                 
..........................      4       Berry Floyd      b: Abt. 1730                 
(omitted some)                 
.................      3       Samuel Floyd      b: Abt. 1718 in Northampton Co., VA            d: Abt. 1753 in Northampton Co., VA     
.....................            +Susan Dixon      b: Abt. 1720 in Northampton Co., VA            d: Abt. 1753 in Northampton Co., VA     
..........................      4       John Floyd      b: Abt. 1737 in VA            d: in the North     
..........................      4       Elizabeth Floyd      b: Abt. 1740                 
..............................            +Joshua Fitchett      b: Abt. 1737                 
..........................      4       Charles Floyd      b: 04 March 1746/47            d: 09 September 1820 in Bellevue Plantation, Camden Co., GA     
..............................            +Mary Fenden      b: 15 April 1747            d: 18 September 1804 in Bellevue Plantation, Camden Co., GA     
.......      2       John Floyd II      b: Abt. 1675 in probably Northampton Co., VA                 
...........            +Michal Harris      b: Abt. 1682      m: Aft. 1713           
.................      3       John Floyd III      b: Abt. 1695                 
..........................      4       James Floyd      b: Abt. 1718                 
..........................      4       William Floyd      b: Abt. 1721 in Accomac County, VA            d: Aft. 1800 in probably Jefferson Co., KY     
..............................            +Abadiah Abigail Davis      b: Abt. 1730 in Accomac Co., VA      m: Abt. 1746 in Amherst Co., VA      d: Bet. 1822 - 1824 in Charles Floyd's home, Beargrass Creek, near Louisville, KY     
.......      2       Berry Floyd      b: Abt. 1680            d: 11 December 1750 in Northampton Co., VA     
...........            +Esther Dalby      b: Abt. 1685                 
.................      3       William Floyd      b: Abt. 1730 in Accomac Co., VA                 
.....................            +Esther Kendall      b: 1751      m: 1772      d: 1785 in Accomac Co., VA     
..........................      4       Matthew Floyd      b: Bef. 1771 in Northampton Co., VA            d: Abt. 1806 in Accomac Co., VA     
..........................      4       William Floyd      b: Abt. 1774                 
..............................            +Frances Hallet      b: Abt. 1780                 
..........................      4       John Kendall Floyd      b: Abt. 1777            d: 1843     
..............................            +Ann Stockley Teackle      b: 17 February 1786      m: 1802 in Northampton Co., VA      d: 19 April 1846 in Northampton Co., VA     
.......      2       Matthew Floyd      b: Abt. 1684            d: 09 June 1752 in Northampton Co., VA     
.......      2       Sarah Floyd      b: Abt. 1686                 

But based on some thoughtful but unproved notes by David Mordy, we might find our William b 1721 more probably the son of John b abt 1701 than the John shown above. Dave says:

"With respect to the Floyds and other Eastern Shore families, I can't help but notice the huge gaps in all these family genealogies. This contrasts with the generally better New England records during the 1700s. As a result of deficiencies in the records, we can only construct a genealogy of our Virginia Floyds if we invent a lot.

"I note four entries in the records that might need more attention: 1) in Dec 1742 Jno. orphan of Jno. Floyd chose his guardian [implies age 14-21, birth 1721-1728], Northampton Order Book 21, p. 36; 2) in Dec 1743 Wm. Floyd [father?] chose his guardian [implies birth 1722-1729] Northampton OB 21 p. 141; 3) in Jun 1747 Berry, orphan of Jno. Floyd chose his guardian [implies birth 1726-1733] Northampton OB 21 p. 425; 4) in Sep 1765 Jno Floyd proved his age as 40 [implies birth 1725] Northampton Land Causes 1754-1771, p. 95. All these entries are contained in William R. M. Houston & Jean M. Mihalyka "Colonial Residents of Virginia's Eastern Shore Whose Ages Were Proved Before Court Officials of Accomack and Northampton Counties", Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., 1985.

"One way to put these entries together is to suggest that John [Dave here has John III but I omit because I am using a different ref for the Johns) Floyd (died intestate, inventory filed 1738) (wife Anne) had sons John, William and Berry born 1721-1733.

"As I am not familiar with the court records, I can't help but wonder if there are any more details in the Order Book than the summary reported by Houston & Mihalyka. Was there anything in Clagget or Cartlidge to indicate that they were aware of these records? Perhaps someone else has pursued this angle? (editor: I know of none)

"What about the idea that brother John inherited the Northampton property (primogeniture?) and the orphan brothers inherited nothing? What about the idea that younger brother William was "our" William, and left Northampton after his 1743 court appearance? [I realize that this interpretation would only be true if the Burgany connection pertains to some other Floyds]. Well--that's a lot of speculation.... "The most obvious objection to this type of genealogy is that it seems like 1 part of documentation to 2 parts of speculation--it may be plausible, but could easily be totally wrong. Also, from the point of view of research I wonder what else could possibly be available. Working from a digest of the Northampton Order Book--does this leave out some details that may be in the original order book? Also, I think there may be original minutes that have never been transcribed. Obviously someone who is more familiar with the Eastern Shore records could be helpful in opining on this, or checking records if there are any more records or rocks to turn over....(but) the odds must be slim that there is anything else to find."

I think this construct is the most accurate I have seen and I intend to shift William to the suggested family.

  Notes for Abadiah Abigail Davis:
Anna Cartlidge in her 1966 work, "Children and Grandchildren..." says: "If anything, Abadiah's ancestry is even more confusing than (her husband) William's. The only thing that has been established definitely is that her father's name was Robert."

Also called Abigail by some. In her father's will (Natchez) she is Obediah. In Amherst Court records Alex Luken sent me, she is Abigail, although the spellings are more creative. Her family lineage is based on N J Floyd's 1912 work, op. cit. as supplemented by Leona, op. cit., and also adjusted by me to make generational sense where necessary. See also: "The Cabells and Their Kin" by Alexander Brown, copyrighted 1895, from which is drawn the following:

"....(It is said that) Elizabeth Cabell was descended from an Indian princess of the Powhatan tribe (some accounts have it 'of the Catawba tribe,' but this is not tenable), and that it was the knowledge among the neighboring Indians of this descent which protected her husband while locating these lands, and herself when she was managing them in his absence. It was more probably owing to her relationship to members of the Society of Friends, with whom the Indians were on friendly terms. However, the story is interesting, and "the evidences of its truth" are said to "have been carefully collected" in several branches of the Breckinridge, Floyd, and other families. I cannot vouch for it, but I will give it as I find it in the Floyd tradition.

"Opechancanough, the celebrated chief of the Powhatans, who was brutally murdered, while a prisoner, in 1644, left a lovely young daughter, the child of his old age, the Princess Nicketti -- 'she sweeps the dew from the flowers.' Some years after this graceful Indian maiden had reached the years of mature womanhood, a member name is not given of one of the old Cavalier families of Virginia 'fell in love with her and she with him,' and the result was a clandestine marriage, and a half-breed Indian girl who married about the year 1680 a Welshman (others say a native of Devonshire, England,) named Nathaniel Davis, an Indian trader, and, according to some accounts, a Quaker; and from this alliance many notable people in the East and in the West have descended. Their daughter, Mary Davis (born about 1685), married Samuel Burks of Hanover (the ancestors of the Burks family of Virginia), and their daughter, Elizabeth Burks, married Capt. William Cabell, the ancestor of the Cabells; Martha Davis, another daughter, married Abraham Venable, the ancestor of the Venables. Robert Davis, Sr., a son (the ancestor of 'the black Davises' of Kentucky, and from whom Jefferson Davis descended), had a daughter, Abadiah (or Abigail) Davis, who married William Floyd, the ancestor of the Floyds of Virginia and of the West. A daughter, or granddaughter, of the Quaker, married Gen'l Evan Shelby of Maryland, the ancestor of the Shelbys of the West. (ed: see note under Elizabeth Hughes) Samuel and Philip Davis of the Blue Mountains were sons, and there may have been other sons and daughters.\

NOTE TO FLOYD MEMBERS: If you are a male Floyd, here is a good way to help in the research into the Floyd family. Sharon at >Loveland1220@aol.com< is organizing a Floyd DNA site:

"Pat-- can you put out the word to Floyd surname males to see if any of them want to participate with us in this project? We are using the lab at Ancestry and they are having a 40% off special. We are using the 46 marker kit which provides the closest possible match potential. I have also posted results on >Familytree.com< Their public (non-member) site is Ysearch.com. I haven't had any close matches yet, but I think the technology is still too new for most people to want to participate. Plus, they're not giving it away for free. I can understand hesitation. Anyhow, I just thought I'd ask. Thanks for your help. I'll keep you posted if any new information comes along. Sharon" END NOTE

"William Floyd left the eastern shore of Virginia, went up the country as far as the present Amherst County, which was then a very wild region, where he met with this family of Davis, who had traded with the Indians and had gotten much property in that way. (The Quakers were much given to friendly trading with the Indians.)

"William Floyd and his wife's brother, Robert Davis, Jr., with their families, emigrated to Kentucky with the first settlers, and finally located in the Bear-grass region, near Louisville, where the kinsmen (Floyds and Davises) had a fort, called Floyd's Station.

"But it is not necessary to follow the Floyd narrative farther. It seems well to say, however that I have seen a Davis pedigree which asserts that 'the Indian blood first entered the family through the marriage of Abby Davis with William Floyd, a half breed Indian.' Other Davis pedigrees and traditions do not deny the Indian blood, while every Floyd with whom I have corresponded has asserted positively that 'it was through Abby Davis the Indian blood came.'

"The Princess Nicketti's name (it may be because the marriage was clandestine) has not been popular among her traditional descendants. The first Governor, John Floyd of Virginia, named one of his daughters for her. I know of no other namesake; but if the tradition is true, no more lovely women than some among her descendants ever "swept the dew from the flowers."

From Alex Luken, op. cit., who forwards the notes of another:

"I don't think that there is any doubt that there was Indian blood in the Davis family, for James John Floyd a son of Abadiah was described by a contemporary as 'somewhat slender, straight as an Indian, and almost as dark as one,' and had 'brilliant black eyes, and straight black hair.' A brother of his, Robert Floyd, once took a woman to court because she was alleged to have said the Floyd's were "of the mustic breed" and Robert Davis, a brother of Abadiah was known as the Black Davis, because of his dark complection, high cheekbones, black eyes, and dark skin, (which) occurred in various members of the family for generations."

From Kegley's "Virginia Frontier," reprinted from an earlier version in 1937, page 23: The Settlements Along the James Move West: ...up to this time (1721), the land from the Falls of the James to the mountains belonged to the Indians. In advance of the settlements there lived in this region a noted Scotchman by the name of Hughes who hunted and traded with the Indians and finally married one of their number, the Princess Nicketti, a daughter of a younger sister of Pocahontas and granddaughter of Powhatan. A child of Nicketti's, Elizabeth Hughes, married Nathaniel Davis and her children and grandchildren became the ancestors of many prominent families of middle and Southwest Virginia. Her daughter, Mary, married Samuel Burks, her daughter, Martha, married Abraham Venable, Jr.; another daughter, Abadiah, married William Floyd and became the mother of John Floyd, asst. to Col. William Preston of Fincastle and Montgomery Counties.

Alex Luken notes this: "Cavaliers and Pioneers: Virginia Land Patents and Grants Vol. V 1741-1749:

William Floyd, Goochland Co., Patent Book 24 page 503, 9/25/1746, 40 acres Goochland Co. on the south side of the Pedlar River into the wood on Maple Run.

Robert Davis, Patent Book 25 page 535, 4/1/1749, 400 acres Goochland Co. on the branch of Pedlar River adjacent to his own line and William Floy(e)d."

Marriage Notes for William Floyd and Abadiah Davis:
Among other proofs of their marriage is this entry in the Amherst County records:

Aug 2, 1779
William Floyd and wife Abediah to Charles Burks p 371 Probably a transfer of property, perhaps incident to their removal to Kentucky.

     
Children of William Floyd and Abadiah Davis are:
  i.   Sarah Floyd16, born 15 October 1747 in Albemarle/Amherst Co., VA; died Aft. 182417; married Wiatt Powell 176818; born 1747 in prob. Amherst Co., VA19; died 181820.
  Notes for Sarah Floyd:
Alex found this information on the Web at http://kentuckyexplorer.com/nonmembers/00-06068.html

"Floyd-Powell: Wyatt Powell, living somewhere in Virginia, married in 1768, Sallie Floyd, eldest child of William Floyd and Abediah Davis. She was born in Amherst County, Virginia, October 15, 1747. Wyatt and Sallie Floyd Powell had a daughter, Nancy F. Powell, born 1771, married March 1, 1792, Dr. Robert Walker; and their children were: Thomas Walker and Sallie Walker. The other children of Wyatt and Sallie Floyd Powell were: Cornelius, Richard, Rhoda, Mona Elizabeth, Addison Burton, Dr. James, and Sarah Wyatt Powell. Sallie Wyatt, born 1781, the youngest child, married March 30, 1830, Capt. John Coleman, of Caroline County, Virginia.

"There was a Wyatt family living in King and Queen County, and probably later in Caroline. The fact that Sallie Wyatt Powell married a Coleman from Caroline County might mean that the Powells may also have lived in Caroline. Because of the marriage of Nancy F. Powell to Dr. Robert Walker, it is believed that Wyatt Powell was a relative of Ambrose Powell, who accompanied Dr. Thomas Walker to Kentucky in 1754."

  Notes for Wiatt Powell:
Anna Cartlidge says they lived in Amherst until about 1796 when they moved to Lynchburg, Campbell Co., Va. His will is recorded in Amherst Co., Book 6, p. 13, Sept. 21 1818. The name is usually "Wiatt."

Alex Luken sent this note in June 2006:

"Wiatt Powell, married Sarah Floyd. Floyd-Powell: Wyatt Powell was the son of Richard Powell, Sr., whose will is in Amherst County Will Book 1, page 257. In this will, dated January 25, 1766, proved August 4, 1774, he leaves his son, Wyatt, 400 acres on Thresher's Creek in Amherst County. This land Richard had patented in 1730 (State Land Office Book 30, page 34). Besides Wyatt, Richard had Edmund, named first in the will; Thomas; John, who predeceased his father; Richard; Winifred; Rhoda, under 14 at the making of her father's will; and Clara (1739 - February 22, 1825), who married Capt. David Woodroof. The first name of Richard's wife was Elizabeth."

  ii.   Isham Floyd21,22, born Abt. 1748 in Albemarle Co., VA23; died 1790 in the Indiana Territory where he was tortured to death by Indians24,25,26,27; married Lydia Hardin 28 January 1775 in Amherst Co., VA28,29; born Abt. 1757 in Amherst Co., VA30; died Bef. 1821 in Williamson Co., TN31.
  Notes for Isham Floyd:
Isham Floyd is said to have accompanied George Rogers Clark on the expedition from Kaskaskia to Vincennes, the Battle of Vincennes. He would have been very young. He later was killed by Indians. (See Jennings, op. cit.) Anna Cartlidge says he was tortured to death by Indians in the Indiana Territory, and gives his death as 1790. He came to Kentucky in 1779 with his brother John Floyd, who left him land in his will "for assisting me in coming to this country." He was named for his uncle, Isham Davis.

Letitia Preston Floyd, 1843 to Benjamin Rush Floyd: "In 1788 Mrs. Floyd gave birth to a son which her husband named George Rogers Clark, after his friend and fellow soldier. About this time Isham Floyd was killed on the west bank of the Ohio. The Indians scalped him - cut off his ears, fingers and toes, after torturing him for three days, they cut out his heart and threw it to their dogs." (ed.: something awry here. GRCF was born 1781... but Isham was killed about 1790.)

...and as to the trip with Clark, Alex Luken found this book for sale: "BAILEY, Carolyn Sherwin .... TOPS and WHISTLES, True Stories of Early American Toys and Children, Paull, Grace illus., juvenile, VikingPr/JrLitGuild, NY, 1937, 1st Ed, 6x9, Red Clothbnd, 193pg, Real Toys & Real Stories... "True Stories of Early American Toys and Children." Ms. Bailey relates tales of the first doll dishes made in this country by the girl who had to prove she wasn't a witch; about the drum that Isham Floyd took with him when he stowed away in George Rogers Clark's flatboat; and about the kids in old Deerfield who shared a playhouse with the Indian children nearby, despite the Massacre, $16.00"

  Notes for Lydia Hardin:
As is evident in the discussion below, we are not sure at all of the children of this union. Lydia was perhaps married to William after Isham, and the children are from both marriages? But first, who is Lydia?

In Charles Wells' petition for a pension: " State of Missouri, County of Montgomery - May term of Montgomery Circuit Court 1833 - CHARLES WELLS of the county of Montgomery & State of Missouri, do hereby state that I was born in the state of Pennsylvania on Jacobs Creek about twenty five miles from Pittsburgh on the 16th day of March seventeen hundred and seventy three (1773) as I was informed by my parents and as I believe. In my infancy my parents moved to Beargrass in the state of Kentucky where I resided until I was nineteen years of age. About the spring of 1796 I went to the State of Georgia and resided in what was then called Franklin County but now called Haversham until October 1805 when I removed to Rutherford county in he state of Tennessee where I resided until 1816 when I came to St. Charles County in the state of Missouri shortly after which time I have made the county of Montgomery, Missouri my home. In the summer of 1789 or 1790 I entered the service of the United States as a part of the Militia of Kentucky. General Harmer was the commander of the detachment. Col. John Harden commanded the militia Regiment of which my company was a part. The company was under the immediate command of Capt. Isham Floyd and myself as Lieutenant. In the latter part of July we took up our march from the town of Louisville, crossed the Ohio river below the falls and encamped the first night on blue waters of the Wabash where General Harmer encamped and sent out Col. Hardin with between 240-260 men with orders to proceed a days march in a northeast course then to turn a west course until we struck the river then come down the river to Harmers encampment and to reconnoiter and examine the route for any hostile indians or their signs...." (CHARLES WELLS - Old War Invalid File Rej. #23.884, Montgomery County, Missouri - Ensign and 1st Lt. in N.W. Indian Wars from 1790-1795)

Is our Lydia a relation to this Col. Hardin? (Credit here to Alex Luken for finding this posted on the web at <http://www.rootsweb.com/~wellsfam/publicat/wfrb/wfrb383.html>, the Wells Family Research Bulletin - Vol. 3 No. , Page 383)

I think she is Colonel Hardin's daughter. (Later, I think his sister, as the Colonel was born in 1753! For more on him see John Hardin in these notes...)

For many months, several have been seeking Isham's family... and then we found the wonderful work of Vickie Beard Thompson, <familyquest@earthlink.net> in July, 2002. I asked after her data for Isham's children which she shows as depicted in these notes. She enthusiastically responded:

"Pat, I have been on vacation and just got back a couple of days ago. I am currently working on proving my Floyd line. I have been given info from quite a few different sources, most without documentation over the years. I believe William, Elisha, David and Alexander were all brothers and possibly sons of Isham Floyd and Lydia Hardin. They are all on the 1812 Franklin Co, TN Tax List. All but David are also on the 1820 census of Franklin Co, TN. David is on the 1820 Smith Co, TN census. David is my direct ancestor. According to family stories past down our Floyd's were cousins to the Floyd governors of Virginia. I talked to a 2nd great-grand aunt who was 100 at the time still living on her own who was a granddaughter-in-law of Volentine Floyd son of David. She was very sharp and told me a lot of stories that when I checked official records turn out to be correct at least 95% of the time. She gave me names, dates and places.... I visited with her a number of times before she passed away.... she said her father-in-law always said his father and Gov. John Floyd were 1st cousins.... Gov. John Floyd who was born 1783 and died 1837 was a 1st cousin 1 generation removed from Volentine if I have my lines traced correctly.... I still don't have a lot of proof yet but I am working on getting as much as I can. I would appreciate any input you might have.... Sincerely, Vickie Beard Thompson in Utah. My Family Website: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~popfraley/index.htm" Ed.: These family tales of the relation to the "two governors" surely tie David Floyd to us, perhaps through Isham.

Then in October, 2002 we have this from Alex Luken, the Louisville researcher:

"To: hsburto@attglobal.net CC: Steveinjest@aol.com, pat@patmstevens.com

"Hello Helen-- I have been corresponding with Steve concerning the husbands of Lydia Hardin Floyd. I help Pat Stevens with the family of William Floyd and Abadiah Davis of Amherst VA, with my primary interest being the family of Robert Clark Floyd. This is the line of Charles Floyd of the Lewis and Clark Expedition. Pat descends from another son, John Floyd, who died in Jefferson Co., KY in 1783.

"Isham Floyd was another son of William Floyd and Abadiah Davis; Isham is a name passed down from the Davis side. The information linking Isham Floyd to Lydia Hardin comes from the research of Anna Cartlidge, who on other aspects has been 100% reliable. Unfortunately, Miss Cartlidge passed on several years ago and we cannot discuss this with her. From her research, we get a marriage date of 1/28/1775 in Amherst Co. VA. (editor: this is from her typed and unpublished 1966 manuscript)

"I feel it likely that Lydia may have married a Floyd relative of Isham's. (editor: after Isham's death in 1790 or departure in about 1787?) Single women with children would not move to Tennessee on their own. Equally troubling is the transcription of the will of William Floyd of Franklin Co. TN. It claims the same family (editor: who is this William?):

"http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/tn/franklin/wills/foster02.txt

"Abstract of the will of William Floyd of Franklin Co., Tennessee
Sons: Alexander Floyd, Elisha Floyd
Daughters: Rebecca Hayes, Jean Moore, Elizabeth Tubbs
"Bequeath to the heirs of Sarah MacLeroy deceased, her husband still alive."
"Children of my son William, deceased."
Grandsons: William and Elisha Floyd, sons of David Floyd, deceased, and their sister, Nancy Floyd, all underage."
Slaves-- Negro men: Ned, George, Reuben; Negro women: Tanner, Betty, Violet.
"Bequeath one acre for Elk River Baptist Church and one acre for burying ground."

W. M. Floyd (seal)
In the presence of
Benjamin Hollingsworth, Jurat
George Foster
John Wilkinson, Jurat
4 February 1821

"Is it possible that William and Elisha are the same person? What of a marriage for either William or Elisha to Lydia Hardin? (ed.: Or both?) We have a date of marriage for Isham to Lydia Hardin in Amherst Co., and can backtrack Miss Cartlidge's research and verify the marriage. I feel it likely that she went to TN with a second husband, but who?

"We have found major errors in NJ Floyd's book on the Floyd Family, which (has been) considered a reliable source on the Floyd family. Even Stephen Ambrose has the wrong parentage for Charles Floyd in "Undaunted Courage." This is, as they say, "a fine kettle of fish." Regards, Alex Luken"

Editor: I believe Lydia Hardin Floyd married William Floyd after Isham and died by 1821. William appropriately included his step children (nephews and nieces?) in his will, as well as his own children, by Lydia or another.... I will include Rebecca and Jean as her children, but there is no proof?

Later Alex writes Helen and me that: "There is so much that is not concrete about this line!!!

"So let's take a look at what we have that is 'provable' --

"--Marriage of Isham Floyd to Lydia Hardin in Amherst Co. VA--we have a date from Anna Cartlidge and the marriage record can be located from that.

"--Transcript of the will of William Floyd which states that Elizabeth Tubbs is his "daughter" and all the other names match back to children associated with the family of Isham Floyd/Lydia Hardin.

"What have that has not been proved:

"-- Second marriage for Lydia Hardin Floyd to William M. Floyd or anyone else.

"-- Proof that these are indeed the children of Isham Floyd.

"-- Proof of Elisha as the father of Elizabeth Floyd Tubbs.

"What we know from the above is that Lydia Hardin married Isham Floyd in Amherst Co. William Floyd mentions Elizabeth Floyd Tubbs in his will in Franklin Co. as a child.

"The immediate provable conclusion is that William Floyd is the father of Elizabeth Floyd Tubbs by some unknown mother (ed.: who of course might be Lydia)

"That Lydia Hardin is the mother of these kids is not supported by any proof other than family tradition. So, Lydia Hardin as the mother of this brood could be as wrong as Elisha as their father. I have not seen evidence of either the Lydia or Hardin name being passed down in this family...

"What could be possible however, is that Elizabeth Floyd Tubbs' BROTHER Elisha may have also married a woman by the name of Lydia Hardin. Lydia is a common given name in the Hardin family. In the Robards family, brother William Robards Sr. and William Robards Jr. had second wives named Elizabeth Lewis. And within the Floyd family itself it appears that there are two Jemima Floyds, aged 30 years apart, who both married Lemasters. I am tossing that out there as an unproved possibility.

"With regards to the LDS, there are lots and lots of mistakes in their records.... we have even found people admitted to the DAR under the wrong person. What is the source for Elisha as Elizabeth's father? Alex"

Then on Jan. 24, 2003, I have this kind note:

Catherine Williams Cooper, <catcoop@bellsouth.net> says: "The Elizabeth Jane Floyd listed on your page is the daughter of William Floyd who left a will dated Feb. 4, 1821 in Franklin Co., TN. She is referred to as Elizabeth Tubb (editor: Tubbs?) in the will. William Floyd's other children in the will are: Alexander, Elisha, David (decd), William (decd), Rebecca Floyd Hayes, Jean Floyd Moore, Sarah Floyd Muckleroy. Children of David, decd, were William, Elisha, and Nancy (therefore, they are William's grandchildren).

"Elizabeth Jane Floyd married George Tubb, who died in Perry Co., AL in 1833. Elizabeth died July 31, 1851 in Noxubee Co., MS according to her estate papers. I descend from their son, Elisha Floyd Tubb who married Bethenia Lane Mitchell."

She adds: "I wish I could be of more help regarding William Floyd Sr. I have so little on him. He lived in Pendleton Dist., SC before going to TN. (SC is where Elizabeth Jane Floyd married George Tubb.) These families moved to TN together - or at least around the same time. From deeds and birth places of children, I'd say between 1805 and 1808.

"I checked the few notes that my Mom gave me a few years ago - not much there. She has a sheet, which listed Elizabeth Floyd Tubb as a daughter of Isham Floyd, but we know that isn't true. (Ed.: could be, if Lydia married twice and Wm raised Elizabeth?) Mom kept everything people gave her- even if she knew it wasn't correct - just in case. Anyway, here is what is on the sheet: Isham Floyd, b 1748, Albemarle Co, VA. Sgt., Clarks Ill? Reg. of Artillery. Died 1790 in Mercer Co, KY. Married 1/28/1775 to Lydia Hardin who was b. ca 1750 in VA and died ca 1820 in TN. Children:
1. Elizabeth, b. 11/13/1775. Married 1791 to George Tubb Jr.
2. William, b. ca 1777
3. Elisha Floyd
4. Isham
5. David
6. Alexander

"Notes at bottom: DAR#341432 also vol. 9294, page 279 Floyds Bio Genealogy.

"On another sheet, she has that William Floyd of the Franklin Co., TN will was married to Gevin unknown. However, no source is listed, and I haven't found anything yet mentioning a wife's name. On this same sheet, it states that he provided provisions to the Cont. Army in 1781 because he was too old
to fight. However, she also has in her files Rev. War muster rolls papers for Wm. Floyd of SC who enlisted for 3 years in 1782. But from March to May of 1783, he deserted.

"I have an abstract of a deed for William Floyd of Pendleton Dist. for 1805 (this is when the Tubbs and others sold their lands, so looks like they were preparing for TN). No wife relinquished dower, so his wife may have been deceased at this point. However, this deed could also be for Wm. Jr. rather than Sr. I also have a land grant for Wm. Floyd for 150 acres in Craven Co., SC dated 1772.

"Part of the difficulty is that the same names were used repeatedly - particularly the name Elisha!

"If I can be of any help, please let me know. If I learn anything new, I will let you know. Catherine"

Thanks Catherine!

  iii.   Elizabeth Floyd32, born Abt. 174933; died 1833 in Middleton, Jefferson Co., KY34,35; married Charles Tuley 1767 in Fauquier Co. or Amherst Co., VA36,37; born Abt. 1747 in Fauquier Co., VA38,39; died 1787 in Jefferson Co., KY40.
  Notes for Charles Tuley:
The Tuley family is recorded in some detail by William Floyd Tuley, the author of "The Tuley Family Memoirs," New Albany, Indiana, 1906. Their name is pronounced "Twu-ley, not Tooley," that author says. But Tooley is a common spelling in the old records.

Charles's will was either probated or signed March 6, 1787 in Jefferson Co., Ky. Executors: "Alex. Breckenridge, John Tully, Jr." and the witnesses were "Wiliam Floyd and James Floyd." (From Alex Luken and FTM CD#519 Kentucky Records) James? Who is this?

This interesting note:


From: "Gary Hogue" <garywhogue@hotmail.com>
Date: April 11, 2006 3:12:57 AM EDT
To: VAAMHERS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [VAAMHERS] James Tooley
Reply-To: VAAMHERS-L@rootsweb.com

"I have done some research on the Tooley, Tuley, Tully family in Amherst County, VA. I'm an indirect relative. Amherst Co. was formed in 1761 from Albemarle Co. Charles and James Tuley had property in Amherst Co. at the time it was formed.
James and Elizabeth Tuley sell land in 1786 in Amherst Co. which they had received by patent in 1747. This may be the same James who appears on land records as James Tuley Sr. & Judey in 1773 and James & Judy C. Tuley in 1779 where in both cases it says ďof Albemarle Co. VA.

"Elizabeth Tooley widow of Charles Tooley in 1800 releases rights of 100 acres to John Tooley son & heir of Charles Tooley. (editor -- I have added John as ason based on this.)

.... (and more)

"Also of interest are the Tax Records which start in 1782. Elizabeth Tooley appears on these records in 1782, 1784, & 1786. My guess is that Charles had already passed away (editor: no, he was in Kentucky) as he never appears on any Tax records. Elizabeth has 1 slave, horses and cattle.
James Tooley is in the 1783, 1785 and 1786 Tax records with slaves, horses, and cattle. 1786 is when he sells his land in Amherst Co. and then we hear nothing more of him.
John Tooley Sr. is in the Tax records from 1783 thru 1798. John Tooley Jr. (who later becomes Sr.) is in the tax records from 1782 thru 1818. The next John Jr. is in the Tax records in 1805 only. Also in 1805 appears Tandy Tooley who stays until 1826. Tandy's son John md. Nancy Hogue my 2nd great grandaunt.
I hope this may be helpful. Gary W. Hogue"


  More About Charles Tuley:
Burial: Floyd's Fork or Middletown, KY41

  22 iv.   Colonel John Floyd, born 1750 in the lowlands near the banks of the Pedlar River, Amherst Co., VA; died 14 April 1783 in KY (then Jefferson Co., VA, near present Louisville) killed by Shawnee Indians; married (1) Matilda Burford Abt. August 1768 in Henrico Co., VA; met (2) Virginia Burford Aft. 1771; married (3) Jane Buchanan 02 November 1778 in Colonel Preston's home, Smithfield, VA.
  v.   Major Robert Clark Floyd42,43, born Abt. 1752 in Albemarle or Amherst Co., VA44,45,46; died Bef. 07 March 1807 in Jefferson Co., KY ?47; married Lillian Parker Bef. 177948; born Abt. 175549; died 1802 in Jefferson Co., KY ?50.
  Notes for Major Robert Clark Floyd:
NOTE TO FLOYD MEMBERS: If you are a male Floyd, here is a good way to help in the research into the Floyd family. Sharon at >Loveland1220@aol.com< is organizing a Floyd DNA site:

"Pat-- can you put out the word to Floyd surname males to see if any of them want to participate with us in this project? We are using the lab at Ancestry and they are having a 40% off special. We are using the 46 marker kit which provides the closest possible match potential. I have also posted results on >Familytree.com< Their public (non-member) site is Ysearch.com. I haven't had any close matches yet, but I think the technology is still too new for most people to want to participate. Plus, they're not giving it away for free. I can understand hesitation. Anyhow, I just thought I'd ask. Thanks for your help. I'll keep you posted if any new information comes along. Sharon" END NOTE

Given the relationship of the families, it is likely, or at least possible, that Robert was named for the great uncle of William Clark (Robert Clark of Va.), with whom his son Charles ventured forth on the Lewis and Clark journey.

The wonderful biographies of the Lewis and Clark expedition members contains this at <http://www.lewisandclarkinkentucky.org/people/floyd_bio.shtml> and it is a wonderful statement of what is true and what has been thought so:

"On January 15, 1807, Meriwether Lewis wrote in the official muster roll of the Expedition that Charles Floyd's father "who now resides in Kentucky, is a man much rispected, tho' possessed of but moderate wealth." 6 Yet he never sold Charles Floyd's land bounty warrant. It remained in the family, passing on to the sergeant's brothers and sisters. Not until November 1, 1839, was it sold. It was then in the possession of Mrs. Mary Lee Walton, the youngest of Robert Clark's children. She was only ten years old when her brother died on the Expedition. She sold the warrant for $640 to John G. Berry and John T. Winn. The latter, I would surmise, was her nephew, the son of her sister Betsy Winn. 7

"Some researchers have concluded that Sergeant Floyd was the son of Charles Floyd, the near-neighbor of the Field family on Pond Creek. This confusion is understandable, since Charles Floyd also had a son named Charles, the first cousin of Sergeant Floyd. A scrap of a letter may also have contributed to the confusion. This letter, apparently now missing, was once in the possession of the Floyd Memorial Association in Sioux City. It is from Nathaniel Floyd, son of the elder Charles, to his sister Nancy. He had apparently just read the letter that Sergeant Floyd had dictated to Clark. Nathaniel wrote that: "Our dear Charles died on the voyage of colic. He was well cared for, as Clark was there, my heart is too full to say any more ... I will see you soon, your brother Nat." Nat was speaking of his cousin, but it would be easy to conclude that he was speaking of his brother. 8

"That Robert Clark Floyd was the sergeant's father is obvious from the heirs who actually came into possession of the land warrant. Also, on November 26, 1807, in the same letter that recommended to the War Department a lieutenancy for Reubin Field, Clark also recommended a captaincy for an R.C. Floyd. Only one Floyd had those initials - Robert Clark Floyd. It was probably Clark's way of compensating in some measure for Robert Clark's loss of a son. Robert Floyd served as an officer in the Kentucky militia and in 1796 had been promoted to major. Finally, Mary Lee (Floyd) Walton, Sergeant Floyd's youngest sister, noted in a letter to Lyman C. Draper, that remarkable collector of manuscripts and recollections of the early West, that her father's name was Robert. 9"
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The footnotes above are:

"6. Robert Floyd, described as a resident of Jefferson County, purchased 112 acres of land on Floyd's Fork in that county on August 10, 1802: Jefferson County Deed Book 5:262. On the same day, he sold 500 acres on Floyd's Fork, Ibid., 252. Donald Jackson, Letters of the Lewis and Clark Expedition (Urbana: University of Illinois Press, 1962), 366.
7. Jackson, Letters, 381. Cartlidge, Children and Grandchildren, unpaged.
8. Jackson, Letters, 370. Cartlidge, Children and Grandchildren, unpaged.
9. Jackson, Letters, 371. Cartlidge, Children and Grandchildren, unpaged. Letter of Mary Lee (Floyd) Walton of Vicksburg, Miss., to Lyman C. Draper, October 5, 1872, Draper Manuscripts 13VV120."
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Larry Reno, a descendant of Charles Floyd and Mary Stewart (see elsewhere) says: The children of Robert Clark Floyd and Lilleyann Hampton were:

1. Elizabeth R. ("Betsey") Floyd, born circa 1772, probably in VA.
2. Davis Floyd, born in 1774 in VA.
3. Charles Floyd, born circa 1782 at Floyd's Station, Jefferson CO, VA.
4. Mary Lee Floyd, born circa 1794 in Jefferson Co., KY.

By letter dated 5 Oct 1872, Mary Lee Floyd Walton, wrote to Dr. Lyman Draper: "...I remember nothing of Gen. Clark's expedition to the rocky mountains as I was a child, except that I had a brother who went with him, and who died during the expedition, his name was 'Charles Floyd.' Col. John Floyd was my Uncle - my father's name was Robert."

On 6 Mar 1807 William Clark acknowledged receiving Land Warrant No. 5 for 320 acres as "attorney in fact" for the heirs of Sgt. Floyd, which was his land grant for being on the expedition. Those heirs were Davis, Elizabeth and Mary Lee. her siblings gave it all to Mary, see below. By 1839, she sold it to others. The original conveyance is fascinating, including both Lewis's and Clark's signatures. Inscribed on the back of the land warrant itself is this:

QUOTE:
Agreeably to a power of attorney executed to me by Thomas M. Winn, Elizabeth Winn and Davis Floyd, bearing date the 14th day of December, 1806 I do hereby assign the within lands (?) to Mary Floyd of the Indiana Territory her heirs or assigns. (signed) Wm Clark atty in fact for Thos M. Winn Eliz Winn Davis Floyd heirs at law to Charles Floyd deceased.

Witness
Meriwether Lewis
C Rogers
John W Winn
Mary F Winn
END QUOTE

Robert might have married a second time, after the mother of these children died, and had an Alexander? (Alex Luken)

This Robert is most likely (Clifton F. Davis, 1946, op. cit., says he is, and that he was appointed a major in 1796, see Reg. Ky. Hist. Soc. vol. 28, p 298) the one who raised a company "in the service of the United States," in July, 1793, Lt. Col. John Adair's Regiment, Maj. Gen. Charles Scott's command of the Kentucky Mounted Volunteers in the Frontier Wars, which served until Nov. 11, 1793. Among the 83 officers and men are William Tuley, a sergeant, John Calloway, a corporal, and a John Floyd, a private. In the spring of 1794 another force is raised, again led by Gen. Scott, and Capt. Robert Floyd is on the battalion staff in Major Aquila Whittaker's battalion as a mounted volunteer until the following October.

See also Murtie June Clark's "American Militia in the Frontier Wars, 1790-1796," Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, 1990, Kentucky section, where Alex notes the following entries: Major Aquila Whitakers Battalion for June 13 to Oct. 26 1794 included Captain Robert Floyd, for 77 days service: Major General Charles Scott's Command, Ky. Mounted Militia, 1793 Wayne's War, July to November 1793, Captain Robert Floyd; and Company, Adair's Regiment, Wayne's War, 1794 June to Oct. 1794, Captain Robert Floyd.

There is a John Floyd in Robert Floyd's Compamy from 10/9 to 11/9/1793

Davis notes that the Minute Book of the Court of General Quarter Sessions, Clark Co., Ind., April Term, 1801, records that "it is ordered that the ferry kept across the Ohio by Major Robert Floyd should be taxed seven dollars for the present year."

Alex Luken provides this excellent summary of Robert and his son Davis, et al:

"Robert Clark Floyd liquidated his property in Jefferson Co. KY in 1799 and moved with his wife Lillian to "Knox Co. Northwest Territory." He resided in Vincennes IN, where in 1802, he was a juror in United States v. Hurst. Lillian, it is believed, died ca. 1802. Charles Floyd (editor: later of the Lewis and Clark journey) was given the job delivering the mail between Vincennes and Louisville, where Thomas Minor Winn was the postmaster. Mary Lee was sent to live with Elizabeth and Thomas in Louisville. After Charles' death on the expedition, George Rogers Clark arranged for a commission for Robert, and he was not heard from again. It is believed that he moved back to KY and died here, possibly marrying again. There is a family in Hardin Co.which is of the right age, that of Alexander Floyd, who had a son named Robert C. Floyd, so perhaps Robert did marry a second time.

"Davis Floyd was married first to Susannah Jones Johnston Lewis, daughter of Benjamin Johnston and Dorothy Jones. She was the widow of G. W. Lewis, having only been married two years before he died. Susannah's brother, William Johnston, was the county recorder for Jefferson Co., KY and married Thomas Minor Winn's sister, Betsy Winn. They owned Cave Hill Farm, which is now Cave Hill Cemetery. Davis and Susannah had two known children, possibly three--Gabriel Jones Floyd, was the oldest, then Charles Floyd, named for his brother. Davis Floyd resided first in Clarksville, IN, about 200 yards from George Rogers Clark's cabin. He was a pilot on the falls of the Ohio. He also resided for a time in Knox Co., as he was a territorial legislator and a close friend of William Henry Harrison. Susannah's brother, General Washington Johnston (that's his name, not a military title) was a respected judge in Knox Co. Davis Floyd was the contractor responsible for building the courthouse in the "new" capital in Corydon, IN. The house that he built is still standing and is a historic site as it became Gov. Hendricks headquarters.

"Susannah died ca. 1808, and in 1809, Davis Floyd married Elizabeth Robards Davis, widow of Thomas Terry Davis, congressional representative and U. S. Territorial Judge for the Indiana territory. Coincidentally, he was both responsible for introducing Davis Floyd to Aaron Burr, and the judge at Davis' treason trial for his involvement with the Burr affair. The move to Natchez ca. 1808 it is believed, coincided with the death of both Robert and Susannah, and with Winn cousins taking up residence in Mississippi. Elizabeth Robards Davis was the niece of Lewis Robards, who married first Rachel Donelson, wife of Andrew Jackson, and second, Hannah Withers Winn, sister of Thomas Minor Winn. Lewis Robards resided in Bullitt Co., KY but had slave trading interests in Natchez.

"Both Davis and his son Gabriel served in the military during the War of 1812. Davis remained politically active, both as a legislator and a judge in Harrison Co. He was a bit of a jack of all trades, running a brick kiln in Corydon, while also having a dry goods business with his son Gabriel, and I believe also running an inn, plus acting as contractor for various building projects. In 1819, he lost everything he had in the financial panic of that year. All of his property was sold at the courthouse door to satisfy his mortgages which were called in. He then ran for Congress as a representative from Indiana but was defeated by either Harrison or Hendricks (doing this off the top of my head.) After that, he wasn't heard from for a year or so, except that he did surface in Cincinnati with something to do about canal development. In 1823, he was appointed land commissioner to Florida by James Monroe. He died in December 1831, in Leon Co. In 1835, his estate was involved in lawsuits pertaining to the Lafayette property in Florida; his executors were Benjamin Chaires and Betsy Floyd.

"Charles, his son, is listed on the 1830 census in Leon Co. Gabriel was appointed customs officer for Appalachicola in 1832. He died in St. Louis in 1842, beaten to death in a break-in at his home. His widow, Sarah M. Conn Floyd, is listed on the 1850 Clark Co. IN census, with a young boy named Gabriel Jones Floyd. Elizabeth Floyd, his daughter, not sure which mother, married James S. Linn, clerk of the courts, in Leon Co. FL in 1828.

"About Robert Floyd, his son with Elizabeth Robards Davis, nothing is known. There is a marriage in Jefferson Co. KY between Robert Floyd and Sarah Floyd, widow of Gabriel, in 1852, but it is not known if these are the same people. Sarah Floyd filed for Gabriel's pension in 1849." (Many thanks to Alex Luken of Louisville, Ky., May 23, 2002)

And this also from Alex, 2003:

"In the Floyd family correspondence file at the Filson Club, there are several letters of interest. One is a letter dated April 5, 1929 from a Mrs. W. A. Moody RFD #1, Jeffersontown KY, enquiring about Robert Floyd. One of Haley Buckner's daughters, Keziah, I believe, married a Moody. She writes to R. C. Ballard Thruston at the Filson Club:

'Dear Sir;
'I have temporarily in my possession a piece of paper which reads thus:

'Jefferson County, to wit.
At a court held for said county in Louisville on Thursday the third of December 1793 this Indenture of Bargain and sale from Robert Floyd and wife to Andrew Potts was acknowledged by the said Robert Floyd as his act and ordered to be recorded. Teste, Stephen Ormsby, Clerk'

'If possible please answer the following questions concerning this paper.
Was the above mentioned Robert Floyd a relative of Colonel John Floyd and if so, what was the relationship. Also, did Robert Floyd own a considerable tract of land along Floyd's Fork in Jefferson County? If so, when and how did he obtain possession of this land?'

The response, from Ludie Kinkead of the Filson Club:

'...In Old Kentucky Deeds and Entries by Willard Rouse Jillson I find in Jefferson County for Robert Floyd, entry for 500 acres recorded in Book A, page 277, April 13, 1783 located in the Knobbs. In deed book 2 Jefferson County you will find a deed from Philip Buckner and Tabby his wife of this county to, Oct. 14, 1791, to Robert Floyd for 250 acres on headwaters of the Licking Fork of Beargrass, acknowledged Jan. 3, 1792. In Deed Book 5, page ? deed from Robert Floyd and wife Lillian of Northwest Territory to Henry Tups of Jefferson County dated September 24, 1799, one tract of 243 acres on Floyd's Fork, also a deed from Robert Floyd and wife Lillian of the Western Territory also dated September 24, 1799 to Jacob Zehnder, of 95 acres in Jefferson County, and still another from Robert Floyd and wife Lillian of Knox County, Territory Northwest of the Ohio River to Davis Floyd of Jefferson County, 500 acres on Chenoweth Run, being a moirty of 1000 acres an entry survey made in the name of Granville Smith and said Robert Floyd, original deed to Robert Tyler, agent vendue of Davis Floyd, etc. I also find his name in the index to Deed Book 6 and 7 in Jefferson County.

'I do not find anything specific stating where he got land but as John Floyd says Robert and Charles are to complete his surveys and as the surveyors received a percentage of land for the work, I imagine he got at least some of it that way...'

"(Alex continues) I believe that tract of land in the Knobbs refers to land near where the Jefferson Memorial Forest is located. Robert's brother, Nathaniel Floyd, was a resident of Williamsville, which I understand was located on the Ohio River on the opposite side of the Salt River from West Point, KY This lies not too far from Harrison Co., I do believe. A ferry back and forth would be a simple thing, and moving across the river would be simple. The last two mentions I have seen for Robert is that he and Davis testified at the trial of US v. Hurst in Vincennes in 1802, and in either 1804 or 1807 (this is off the top of my head...) William Clark asked for a commission for a R C Floyd, in the event that the US went to war with Spain over the free navigation of the Mississippi River. Nothing ever came of it. It is possible that Robert Floyd moved to Hardin Co. and married again to a Hart because there is a family there with a son named Alexander Floyd, who had a son named Robert C. Floyd. In one of the letters in Corydon from Clifton Davis, there is an inquiry about an Alexander Floyd, but does not specify the relationship. BTW, there is an unspecified Floyd-Hurst relationship..."

  Notes for Lillian Parker:
Anna Cartlidge says her name was Lillian and that she MAY have been a Hampton. Alex Luken speculates "I really wonder if Lillian Hampton is correct...." But we know she was a Lillian......

And, later, in November 2001, Alex notes: If Robert Clark Floyd died in 1807, and Lillian died ca. 1800, it is possible that he married again and had another child? It appears likely that Robert Floyd moved back to KY before he died. There was correspondence in the Floyd file in Corydon responding in part to an inquiry from Clifton Davis regarding an Alexander Floyd. An Alexander Floyd pops up in Hardin Co. KY and marries Mary Polly Hart, daughter of Aaron Hart, in 1820. He has three children with her: Robert C. Floyd b. abt. 1825, Edward Floyd, and Sally Floyd. Robert and Edward eventually migrate to IL. Is it possible this Alexander is the half brother of Charles and Davis? The ages fit. The location fits. Hardin Co. is very close to Bullitt Co. and Jefferson Co., and Corydon IN. (editor-- I agree with Alex. This is something to research.)

Alex, in Nov., 2002: "Robert and Lilyann Floyd conveyed land in Jefferson Co. KY on 6/30/1794 to James WEBB. Witnesses were T. KEY, John TULEY, Benjamin KIRK and Landen DAVIS. Also, on 7/1/1794 there is a conveyance by Robert Floyd to Jean DAVIS witnessed by John TULEY, T. KEY, and Benjmain KIRK."

And this from an old posting on the surname Parker rootsweb board, sent me courtesy Alex Luken. I have entered Sam Parker in these notes but not connected him as yet. (July, 2002)

Dianne Conaway Blankenstein, November 15, 1997: "Need help with Samuel Parker - believe he was orphaned early & his mother may have been Lillian Hampton at the time of her death. Samuel married Mary & they moved to Tenn where he died in Humphreys Co about 1820. Son Joshua Parker b 1776 in Virginia d 1826 Humphreys Co,Tenn m. 1800 Shelby Co, KY Mary Patterson b 1782 - dau of ?James Patterson. Son James M. Parker b 1801 Shelby Co, KY d 1859 Dallas, Texas m. abt 1820 Humphreys Co, Tenn to Anna ?Carnell dau of Hubbard Carnell & Elizabeth Dixon. Daughter Malvina Dixon Parker b 1833 d 1862 White Co, Arkansas m. 1852 Tenn Lewis Comer Smith. Would like to correspond with someone on this line."

And Alex sends this in Nov., 2002: "I have more circumstantial evidence for PARKER being the last name of Robert's wife.

"1) There is a letter at the Filson Club in the Floyd family file from from the 1930's from a MOODY of Jeffersontown, enquiring about a Robert Floyd deed. The Moodys married into the family of Haley Buckner and Lillian Parker, daughter of Samuel Parker.

"2) Philip Johnston, who is a son of William Johnston and Ann Chew or his second wife Elizabeth Taylor, married a Margaret Elizabeth Parker. I believe Philip Johnston settled in Shelby Co., KY which is near Jeffersontown. Haley Buckner also settled in Shelby Co. This is all near the Floyds Fork area.

"I'll just keep stirring until something pops up to the surface... "

So... a Parker? Alex finds more in October, 2003 which seems to confirm the Parker name. She writes:

"Devereaux Gilliam was the executor or the will of Lilyann HAMPTON in 1779 which mentions her daughter Lilyann FLEWD, and is the source for the name of Robert Clark Floyd's wife. Also mentioned are sons by the last name Samuel PARKER and John RUSSELL. I maintain that Lilyann FLEWD was Lilyann PARKER, and that Hampton was the name of her mother's 3rd husband. Co-executor to the will is Thomas STOCKTON. Witnesses to to the will were Eda GILLIAM (I believe this to be Edna Ellis Gilliam),
Elizabeth HUTCHESON, and Deverix (Devereaux) GILLIAM."

She notes this rootsweb site for this wonderful will: <http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/henry/wills/willbk01.txt>

"pages 22-23 - LILYAN HAMPTON

Being very sick and weak; will dated April 14, 1779;
To son John Russel one sorrell mare
To his daughter Susannah Russel one haffer yearling
To my son Samuel Parker one cow and yerling
To my daughter Lillayan Flewd one cow and all my clothes and side saddle
All my house furniture equally to son John Russel and Samuel Parker and Lillayan Flewd.
My cash accounts due me from David Right and William Bowman equally to son John Russel and
Samuel Parker.
Executors: Diverix Gilliam and Thomas Stockton
Lilleyan (her mark) Hamton
Wit: Deverix Gilliam, Elizabeth Hutcheson, Eda Gilliam
Dec. 27, 1779; Exh. by Deverix Gilliam who gave bond with James East his security."

Then, in Nov., 2003:

"You know how I have been working on Lillian Parker/Hampton, wife of Robert Clark Floyd. Well, I have my first link in Amherst County! of sorts. Theodosia Davis, daughter of Nathaniel Davis and Elizabeth Atkins, married Jarratt Gilliam. Theodosia would be the first cousin of Robert Clark Floyd.

"Jarratt Gilliam would have to be related to Devereaux Gilliam who was an executor of Lilleyann Hampton's will, because Devereaux Gilliam's mother was Mary Jarratt.

"Also note the marriage to Edith Ellis. I have an e-mail from Robin Chism in my file that says that Robert and Elizabeth Atkins Davis lived in a place known as the Old Orchard, which was subsequently owned by Charles I. Ellis, and during the Revolutionary War was engaged in the manufacture if firearms.... She lives in Ala. and says that William Floyd and Abadiah Davis are her 8th great-grandparents.... Regards, As always, Alex"

And in June 2004, this note:

"http://www.lva.lib.va.us/whatwehave/archacc/newaccessionsApril-June2003.htm

"Ellis, Thomas Harding. .1 cubic feet.
Papers, n.d., of Thomas Harding Ellis (1814-1898) consisting of Ellis family genealogical notes and notes concerning the trial of Aaron Burr in 1807. The genealogical notes contain information found in Ellisí published volume A Memorandum of the Ellis Family (1849). Notes concerning the trial of Aaron Burr contain information on Ellis' uncle and the deputy marshall in the case, Josiah Ellis, and his father-in-law and Burr's security officer, Thomas Taylor. Gift of Archer Ellis Hansen, Winchester. (40060)"

Alex: "I am thinking Lillian Parker Floyd's mother was an ELLIS, perhaps daughter of John Ellis and Susannah Royall. I should add as another part to the hypothesis, that John Ellis and Susannah Royall are the parents of Charles Ellis m. Susannah Harding, parents of Edith Ellis who married Devereaux Gilliam and who were witnesses to the will of Lilyann Hampton. Also, John Ellis and Susannah were from Tuckahoe, Henrico Co. VA, which is where Lilyann's will was probated, Henrico Co. Also the possibility that Charles Floyd's middle initial was "E" based upon a rock carving found in MO."

So-- Lillian Parker (Hampton) married Floyd. And from the below conjunction of families, I think she is Lillian Parker, perhaps the daughter of Richard Parker. Recall that we think William Floyd's wife was the "widow Burgamy," Micha(el) Harris.

And, in February 2006, with reference to an inquiry to me from Ellen Carper, webmistress of "Kentucky Kinfolk Organization" at:
<http://www.kentuckykinfolkorganization.com/index~ie4.html>:

"Hi Ellen-- Pat forwarded your message to me. Ellen, as a way of introduction, I'm Pat's genealogical "Della Street". Not a Floyd relation except by honorary status :-) but I have staked out the line of Robert Clark Floyd as my own in the absence of any active descendants. And, I'm in Louisville and have access to the Filson Club....

"So I have a couple of things that might be of interest. First of all, somewhere in the mounds of paper we have is a reference to Gov. John Floyd's daughter attending Jefferson Davis' first wedding here in Louisville. In spite of the somewhat touchy relationship between the Gov. and the Breckinridge kin, his daughters did visit Louisville quite often and maintained ties to family here. Zarchary Taylor's family property bordered the Floyd holdings along what is now Brownsboro Rd., and the Taylors were literally next door neighbors to Lucy Clark Croghan. The other end of the Floyd holdings touched Taylorsville Rd. near Bowman Field Airport. Further out Taylorsville Road was the plantations of the numerous Taylor cousins, Gov. Floyd's brother, George Rogers Clark Floyd, and property owned by Robert Clark Floyd.

"It is my quest for information about Robert Clark Floyd's wife Lillian that has led me to some information that I am not quite sure what it means, but I think there is something significant buried in it. I will send you the information via snail mail if you send me your address, Ellen.

"Robert Clark Floyd's wife is believed to be Lillian Hampton based upon the 1779 Henrico Co. will of Lilleyann Hampton. In it, she mentions a son, John (I am doing this from memory, may not be John; his first name is immaterial) Russell, daughter Lilleyann Flewd, and son Samuel Parker. Since it's customary to name children in birth order, It would appear that Lillian Hampton was married 3 times (Russell, Parker, Hampton) and as Lilleyann is between two brothers it is more probable that her maiden name was either Russell or Parker, and not Hampton. I believe it to be Parker. The reason why is that Samuel Parker turns up in Jefferson Co. in the late 1700's, at the same time Robert Clark Floyd and wife Lillian is here. Samuel Parker has a daughter named Lillian. His daughter marries Haley Buckner. Haley Buckner is the nephew of Philip and Tabitha Daniel. Robert Floyd sells property near Jeffersontown to Philip Buckner. Haley Buckner settles in Shelby Co. near the Jefferson Co. line, near where Robert Floyd had property. Robert's brother Charles was present at the death of Walker Daniel. At the very least, all these people knew each other quite well.

"The name Lillian is an unusual name for the time period. In an effort to find connection of Lillian Russell Parker Hampton to the Floyds, thereby ascertaining the likelyhood that the Lilleyann Flewd in the will was the wife of Robert Clark Floyd, I looked at all the parties who were a party to the will, and didn't have to dig too deep. The executor of the will was Devereaux Gilliam. Devereaux's wife was a daughter of Charles Ellis, of Pedlar Mills VA. Charles Ellis bought property in Pedlar Mills from Abadiah Davis' brother, and the Ellis-Gilliam-Davis families are intermarried, thus making highly likely that the Lilleyann Flewd in the will is Robert's wife.

"I have been on a quest to link the name Lillian to the Parker, Russell and Hampton families. As part of the digging process I turned up an old Russell family history at the Louisville Public Library. In there is reference to the Russells, John Smith of Jamestown, Opechancanough, and Morris Loyd. There are intstances of Loyd/Floyd being the same family, mislabeled because of handwriting. This had me thinking about the social standing of Abadiah Davis. The Cabell, Venable and Burke connections were very prosperous and well-connected. Pocahontas was considered royalty, and therefore Abadiah must have been considered "a catch" for the time period. William Floyd was not wealthy, and much of what they had appears to have connections to the Davis family. What would make William Floyd an acceptable marriage for Abadiah? The one thing that comes to mind is family connections that date back several generations. While none of the Floyds themselves became wealthy, they appear to have married into prominent families and have the connections that come to one either through money or family connections. What if there is an earlier intangible connection between the families?"

Then we have this, sent to me by Alex Luken:

http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/6598/BostickOnline25_36.htm

In June court 1741, a suit was settled and recorded in Order Book 4, page 546. The suit is reported in part as follows:
A suit in Chancery Court, Goochland County between Harris Wilson and John Wilson by Richard Parker, their next friend, plaintiff, and William Bostick and Micah his wife, John Bostick, Wm. Floyd and Wm. Burgamy, defendants. The sheriff having returned the subpoenas executed on John Bostick, and he failing to appear, ordered a judgement be issued against John Bostick, Wm. Bostick and wife Micah, Wm. Floyd and Wm. Burgamy.

Alex: "It is interesting to note that a deed dated 16 Apr 1755, executed about 13 years after the above suit. Harris Wilson and John Wilson (mentioned above) of Cumberland County, VA (Cumberland formed from Goochland in 1748) sold to John Bostick, for 100 pounds, 150 acres surveyed for Peter Burgamy, dec'd, it being the plantation where William Bostick now lives. This was part of 350 acres sold to Richard Wilson, dec'd, and Richard Wilson left to his two sons, Harris and John Wilson. The deed was proved in May Court 1755."


  vi.   Jemima Floyd51,52, born 1753 in Amherst Co., VA53; married (1) John LeMaster 1768 in Amherst Co., VA or Henry Co., KY53; born 1749 in Amherst Co., VA54; died 16 September 1781 in Floyd's defeat by Indians, near present day Eastwood, KY55; married (2) James A. Sturgis 28 May 1784 in Jefferson Co., KY56,57; born Abt. 1756; died Aft. 181058.
  Notes for Jemima Floyd:
From B. Frank Reinauer III: Jemima Floyd appears to be one of Col. John Floyd's younger sisters. Anna M. Cartlidge gives her year of birth as 1753 (in Virginia). She married (1)ca. 1769, John Lemaster (b. ca. 1749; died 16 Sep 1781 -- during Floyd's defeat); (2) bond posted 28 May 1784, Jefferson County, KY, James A'Sturgus, Jr. (b. ca. 1760; lived 1810 in Bullitt County, KY according to the census)
______________________________
Jo Lee Brooks Potts, <Jo0608@aol.com>, writes in June 2001: " Dear Pat, Thank you for your website. I am a descendant of Jemima Floyd. Thank you." I asked her for corrections or additions.

From Alex Luken: "Pat-- Jo Nell sent me this from something called the Lemaster book... 'I found them.... see the Lemaster book page 83. Issue 70 Eleazer Lemaster b abt 1749 d Sept 16-22, 1781 near Louisville, Ky., killed by Indians m abt 1768 Jemima Floyd b 1753 Amherst Co. Va. After the death of Eleazer Lemaster she m2 in Jefferson Co., Ky., May 28, 1784 James A' Sturgus Jr. by whom she has issue: Cynthia A'Sturgus who m Jan 23 1800 William Pope. Jemima Lemaster received land grant of 400 acres on Beech Fork, Jefferson, Co. Ky May 10 1784.' "

This 400 acres might be the same as referenced here (courtesy of Alex Luken):

"At a Court held for Jefferson County, the 3rd of December, 1781. It appearing to the Court that the following Persons, are entitled by virtue of an Act of Assembly passed May last, to four hundred acres of land, each. Orders that the County Surveyor lay off to them accordingly, viz: (among the many names listed is Jemima Lemaster)"

  Notes for John LeMaster:
Elton L. Powell sent this to Rootsweb in February 2003:

'THE LEMASTER FAMILY IN THE USA,' Call #- APV [Lemaster], Howard M. Lemaster, in the Book Location: New York Public Library, Genealogy Section, 1st Floor, 42nd and 5th Ave.

"According to the early History as outlined in this Book, the Lemaster name, with it's many variations, started out with one Claude Le Maistre, [or Glaude I], spelled it with a 'G'], who died in 1683, and refers everyone to see 'A History of Harlem' for more info on the Lemasters. [I have no info on that book]. And, like I said; he quotes from 'the Cabells and Their Kin' by Alex. Cabell. In the 1700's the name became Le Maitre in Europe. The part about the Lemaster- Floyd connection is also covered in this book.

"Most of the families are listed by the Head of the house. That's all I have for now."

In march 2006 Alex Luken sent this:

Title
LeMaster genealogy, 1644-1962
Authors
Goen, Sarah Pope LeMaster , 1914- (Main Author)
Times-dispatch (Richmond, Virginia) (Added Author)

Also on microfilm. Salt Lake City : Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1982. on 1 microfilm reel ; 35 mm.
FHL US/CAN Film 1035997 Item 2

LeMaster genealogy, 1644-1962
Stmnt.Resp.
contributed by Mrs. Rayburne Wyndham Goen
Authors
Goen, Sarah Pope LeMaster, 1914- (Main Author)
Times-dispatch (Richmond, Virginia) (Added Author)

Notes
Typescript.
Photocopy of transcript (some typewritten, some handwritten) by M. Herberger; transcript was of genealogical column published in the 2 May 1909 issue of The Times Dispatch (Richmond, Virginia). Includes Armistead, Asturges (Asturgus, Sturges), Field, Floyd, Goen, Pope and related families. John LeMaster (d.1784) immigrated to Virginia, and married Jemima Floyd, a daughter of Wales immigrant William Floyd (d.1783). John died in an Indian fight near Louisville, Virginia (later Kentucky). John Floyd LeMaster (ca.1769-1807) married twice, and moved from Virginia to Bullitt County, Kentucky. Descendants and relatives lived in Virginia, Kentucky, Tennessee, Mississippi, Colorado and elsewhere.


Subjects
LeMaster
Armistead
Asturges
Sturges
Field
Floyd
Goen
Pope

  More About John LeMaster:
Burial: Eastwood, KY on the Louisville- Frankfort Road. There is a monument

  vii.   Nancy Floyd59, born Abt. 175560,61; died Bef. August 1791; married John Alexander Pryor; born Abt. 1750; died Bef. August 1791.
  Notes for Nancy Floyd:
Kathleen Jennings, "Louisville's First Families - A Series....", The Standard Printing Co., Louisville, 1920, page 171, says Nancy married George Rogers and had a daughter, Nancy, who married Judge Wesley Phelps, of Bullitt county. I do not think so.... we do know Nancy Floyd Rogers, b 1817, in these notes, married Thomas Phelps, however.

  Notes for John Alexander Pryor:
Larry Reno, op. cit., notes that "In a publication of the Lewis and Clark Trail Heritage Foundation, titled Nine Young Men From Kentucky, by George H. Yater in 1992, the author offers the following excerpts: "...on July 6, 1791, the (Jefferson) County Court minutes record that Robert and Nathaniel Pryor, orphans of the late John Pryor, are to be bound out by the overseers of the poor. The two youngsters were bound out to one Obidiah Newman on August 7." (Emphasis supplied). This indicates that both John Pryor and Nancy Floyd Pryor died before August of 1791."

This also means that the Eliza shown as born in 1794 cannot be correct?

Larry Reno, <lrrden@earthlink.net>, who has researched the Pryors deeply, notes that there has been considerable incorrect renderings of the children of John and Nancy, who are Jane B., James, Nancy, Eliza, Robert L., and Nathaniel. (Some list several as the children of Sergeant Nathaniel Pryor, but this is not so...) Larry adds, "...this should be proved by the Will of James Pryor, drawn in New Orleans on Christmas Day in 1814 (several days before the Battle). The Will was admitted to probate in Jefferson County, Kentucky on August 30, 1822. Listed as his heirs were: John B. Gilly, (nephew and son of James's sister Jane); brothers Robert L. Pryor and Nathaniel Pryor; sisters Jane B. Gilly and Eliza Oldham; and, Robert McClelland, the husband of sister Nancy Pryor, who evidently predeceased James...."

  viii.   Charles Floyd62,63,64, born 06 July 1760 in Hanover Co., VA65,66; died 1828 in Todd Co., KY; married Mary Stewart 03 July 1786 in Amherst Co., VA67,68; born 12 January 1764 in Amherst Co., VA69,70; died 01 January 1850 in her son Charles' home, Bond Co., IL71.
  Notes for Charles Floyd:
N. J. Floyd, "Floyd Biographical Genealogies," 1912, writes extensively of Charles Floyd. I quote from page 18 forward:
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"Charles Floyd and Mary Stewart were married in Hanover Parish church in 1773. Mary Stewart was a daughter of Captain John Stewart and his wife, Annie Haw, of Henrico County. Tradition, preserved by the Virginia and Georgia Stewarts, states that the grandfather of Mary--Colonel John Stewart--who came to Virginia from Berwickshire, Scotland--was a younger son of the Duke of Berwick, born in Berwick Castle about 1660. On account of political troubles he fled from the coast of England in the night and landed in the New World with only his sword and a stout heart.... (see more in the Floyd work)... After the Declaration of Independence young Charles Floyd offered his services to Virginia, and was enrolled as a part of her Colonial troops, used to beat back the savage forays along her western frontiers, and to hold the Indians and their Canadian allies in the vast northwest region, in dread of her power. In the latter part of 1777 when George Rogers Clark hastened from Kentucky to Virginia to appeal for 500 men with which he declared his ability to drive Lieutenant-Governor Hamilton of Canada, "The scalp buyer," and the garrisons he had established in the northwest, back into Canada, Governor Patrick Henry quickly saw and entered into the brilliant scheme which Clark had in view. But troops were badly needed in the Continental army, material from which to draw recruits was very scarce and the absolute necessity for perfect secrecy, as regarded Clark's plans, forbade any flaming appeal for volunteers. For these reasons Clark got permission to raise only five companies of 50 men each and at his request Charles Floyd, his personal friend, was appointed to aid him in recruiting them. But the conditions were such that they succeeded in raising only about 150 men. A writer of the period says secrecy of the object of the expedition was so perfectly maintained that few, if any, members of the General Assembly who voted the supplies, knew what they were intended for; and good patriotic citizens being in ignorance, advised young men not to enlist lest they be taken away on some filibustering adventure. Only general confidence in Governor Patrick Henry and the two young men enabled them to get off to Kentucky with a force which was less than one-third of the small force that had been first asked for. Arriving at the Falls, the present site of Louisville, a stockade fort was built, and quite a number of Kentuckians joined the expedition.

"From this point of time Charles Floyd seems to have escaped the notice of both tradition and history for more than a year. No mention of his name has been found for that period, but a tradition, preserved by some branches of the Floyd family, states that Colonel Floyd, presumably Charles' older brother, was with Clark at that time; and that Clark and himself had been approached by British emissaries sent by Lieutenant-Governor Hamilton, to offer in the name of Lord George Germain, British Minister in London, a princely bribe of territory northwest of the Ohio River together with British titles and honors, if they would desert the cause of Virginia. This tradition is carried in the biographies of George Rogers Clark's family also, as is evidenced by the following extract taken from memoirs written in 1840, as follows:

"He"--Lieutenant-Governor Hamilton--"made a proposition to Clark and Floyd if they would give up the country to the British they should have as much boundary of land on the West bank of the Ohio and any title under that of Duke . . . This fact was communicated to Mr. Charles Fenton Mercer upwards of 30 years ago (i.e., previous to 1810) by Mrs. Croghan, the sister of General Clark and mother of Colonel George C. Croghan, of Sandusky memory . . . . Mrs. Breckenridge also had many times corroborated the fact."

"There can be no reason to doubt the entire correctness of the main facts of the tradition, but the inference that Colonel John Floyd is the Floyd alluded to is certainly incorrect. Lieutenant- Governor Hamilton, the head of the allied Canadian and Indian forces, which had overrun the northwestern territory, had but two opportunities to make such a proposition. First, when communication was held between Clark (after having captured Kaskaskia with its garrison of 500) and the British garrison at Vincennes. This was conducted through, or by means of, Professor De Fout of the Kaskaskia Seminary (French), and Rev. Father Gibault, a priest of the order of Loyola. That was in September, 1778, a month or more before the return of Colonel John Floyd from his imprisonment in England.....

"All this being true beyond the shadow of a doubt the question naturally arises: What Floyd was it who cooperated with Clark on those interesting occasions? (The author concludes it was Charles.)

"While Colonel John Floyd and his bride were quietly spending the inclement winter weather in the home of his parents, he devised a plan for the exodus of the entire family, father, mother, sisters, brothers, husbands, wives and babies to the very fertile region in Kentucky near the Ohio Falls, where he had already patented several thousand acres of land. Charles had just been to the region with his friend, George Rogers Clark, who had established a forest home near the Falls, and joined heartily in the scheme. The enthusiastic advocacy of the plan by the two older brothers finally won the family over to the idea, with three exceptions. The mother and father would consider the matter for themselves and their two unmarried daughters; Mr. and Mrs. Powell's pecuniary interests and five small children compelled them to remain in Amherst County, and Mrs. Tuley and her babies would remain till Mr. Tuley had established a home in the unknown region, to which he could take them.

"On arriving at the Falls, which point had become a small trading post for the people passing up and down the Ohio River, the first thing done was to erect a cabin for the shelter of the women and children, while the men, with their colored laborers, were building a stockade fort and comfortable log-cabin homes for the families out on Beargrass Creek, some five miles distant. The place selected for the cabin at the Falls is now a corner at the crossing of Main and Third Streets, Louisville. The stockade fort which George Rogers Clark and Charles Floyd had built at the Falls, the previous year, was in good condition and was for a time utilized by the families. Out on the creek other settlers lent willing hands, and "log-rolling" went merrily and rapidly on. Soon comfortable double cabins, with substantial puncheon floors and centre halls, were ready for occupancy and the families moved in.

"Thomas Jefferson, the newly elected Governor of Virginia, appointed Colonel John Floyd Lieutenant for Jefferson County, and the settlers were soon gotten together to form a County government. Samuel McDowel, Esq., was made the dispenser of justice, other officials were appointed, and for a time the settlement, which became known as Floyd Station, was of more consequence than the little group of cabins at the Falls. Charles Floyd made his double log-cabin, with double shed-rooms, an open home for all missionaries and itinerant preachers, and the only "Church" known for a number of years was his "Big-room" which served also as the family parlor and dining room.

"The success of the Virginians and the Kentucky pioneers, under George Rogers Clark, at Kaskaskia and Vincennes, while finally decisive as regarded the white ownership of the territory, made only a temporary impression upon the minds of the Indians; and, after a season of comparative quiet, they gradually became aggressively hostile again. Colonel Floyd and his brothers and neighbors had frequent bloody contests with marauding parties in some of which the Indians fought stubbornly before retreating or scattering in the forest....

"About this time George Rogers Clark--who, after his remarkable Vincennes campaign had gone to Virginia hoping to meet in battle the traitor Arnold, who with his British force was in Virginia, returned to his forest home "Clarkville," within sight of the stockade he and Charles Floyd had built at the Falls, and in conjunction with the Floyds and the settlers generally, inaugurated measures looking to the ultimate driving of all marauding Indians out of the Ohio Valley and especially beyond all settlements along the river. The task was finally accomplished, but many who helped to inaugurate it--including two of the Floyd brothers and three of their brothers-in-law--died at the hands of the savages before its accomplishment.

"After the surrender of Lord Cornwallis' army in Virginia the war was practically over, and settlers and prospectors came in numbers to take up the rich lands in the Ohio Valley. The surveyors' office of the Floyd brothers was kept busy, and they were out continually locating and getting metes and bounds of large bodies of land. But the triumph in Virginia did not affect the savages in Kentucky, and surveyors' work had to be done by armed parties. Many were the adventures of the brothers, and other parties, as they pursued their work in the primeval forests. Some idea of the appearance and condition of the country may be derived from a letter written by General Muhlenberg, a German-American patriot who was conspicuous at Yorktown. The government made him a grant of 30,000 acres of land in the Ohio Valley in recognition of his gallant services, and in March, 1783, he went to the Falls to procure the assistance of the Floyds in its location.... About a month after this.... Colonel Floyd, his brother Charles and Mr. Alexander Breckenridge, a writer in the surveyors' office, went some fifteen miles to a settlement on Salt River to attend a general muster. Colonel Floyd wore a handsome uniform, which made him a conspicuous figure, and on their return, when less than half the distance had been covered, they were fired on by a party of Indians in ambush. Captain Charles seeing the Colonel fall forward on the pommel of his saddle, and make an effort to right himself, leaped from his own horse and sprang up behind his brother, throwing his arms around him in support, and putting spurs to the horse dashed several miles to the nearest hunter's cabin. He was found to be mortally wounded but lived through the night, dying early the next morning in the thirty-second year of his age.....

"After the untimely death of his distinguished elder brother, a large part of the public cares and duties, which had been his, devolved upon Captain Charles Floyd, who, while, perhaps, somewhat less active and enterprising, was a man of equal determination and devotion to duty. Though previously somewhat eclipsed by his brother's fame and unceasing activity, his own quiet force of character soon brought him to the front as an acceptable leader. His high sense of justice as a Magistrate, and his discriminating judgment in arbitrating differences between neighbors or neighborhoods, coupled with his success in cultivating more amicable relations with the Indians, and his readiness to "lead to the limit" when they had to be fought, soon spread his fame locally as far as his brothers had extended.

"He and his wife had inherited quite a number of colored servants and as the needs of these and a growing family were steadily increasing, he settled and cleared a large farm on Mill Creek in a neighborhood known as the Ponds Settlement, some twelve miles from Louisville. After a time he gradually withdrew from all public employment and devoted his time exclusively to agriculture, still making his house an ever open home for all weary travellers, missionaries and itinerant preachers of all denominations.

"In 1828, after all the daughters had married and left the home nest, and the sons were scattered, the aged couple went to visit a daughter living in Todd County near the Tennessee line where also several children and grandchildren of his uncle Robert, "the black Davis" were residing. There the old gentleman had an accidental fall from which he received internal injuries which resulted in his death a few weeks later, and he was buried there--one hundred and fifty miles from his home.

"After the estate had been settled up and the negro servants distributed among the children living in the State, the gentle Mary Stewart made her home among her daughters generally. She lived to be over ninety years of age and died in the home of a daughter living in Bond County, Illinois, about forty miles east of St. Louis. Her tombstone bears the simple inscription:

Mary, wife of Charles Floyd
Died Jan. 12th, 1850."

Editor: There is much dispute about some of the above work, and I would caution not to take it as completely so.
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Lawrence Reno, op. cit., sent me these pages: "Jim (Mordy, his cousin) also included color copies of the notes on brown paper made by my Great-Grandfather Martin Van Buren Floyd from the Charles Floyd Family Bible then in the possession of his family in Bond Co., IL, where Mary Stewart Floyd died. This lists the children of each generation from Charles Floyd down, with birthdays and, for some individuals, lists dates of death." My references to The Charles and Mary Stewart Floyd Family bible are to this set of photographs, of which Larry kindly sent me copies.



  More About Charles Floyd:
Burial: Todd Co., KY

  Notes for Mary Stewart:
Mary Stewart is my 4th great aunt as her brother Gen. John Stewart is my ggg grandfather. Her husband Charles Floyd is my 5th great uncle as his brother Col. John Floyd is my gggg grandfather.

N.J. Floyd, 1912, op. cit., in his Floyd Biographical Genealogies... says "The family Bible of the above couple has never been seen by any member of the family of the one son (Dr. Nathaniel Wilson Floyd) who returned to make his home in Virginia. It is supposed to have been lost in Bond County, Illinois, after going into the hands of one of the children of the daughter at whose home Mary Stewart Floyd died. Tradition says there were twelve children but it is doubtful if so many grew to maturity. At any rate we can name only the following:

1. DAVIS FLOYD2, born in Virginia, before the Revolutionary War. Married Susanna Lewis, a niece of General Andrew Lewis of Point Pleasant fame. See special mention.

2. GABRIEL FLOYD2, also born in Virginia before the Revolution. Moved to Indiana in 1801 with his brother Davis and wife. It is only known that he married and went to the far west.

3. CHARLES FLOYD2, born in Kentucky, 1782. Died on Lewis and Clark expedition, 1804. See special mention.

4. NANCY FLOYD2, born 1784. Married George Rogers a cousin of General George Rogers Clark and of the Explorer, Captain William Clark.

5. ELIZABETH FLOYD2. Married Churchill Myrtle in 1813. Reared a family, some of whom lived in Mississippi and Arkansas, as late as 1860.

6. MARY FLOYD2. Married William Perkins in 1822. It is not known if they left a family.

7. CYNTHIA FLOYD2. Married and left a family, but the gentleman whom she married is known to Virginia family tradition only as "Uncle James." It is probable that Mary Stewart Floyd died at this daughter's home.

8. NATHANIEL WILSON FLOYD3. Born June 5, 1793. Married Elizabeth West Anderson, March 25, 1819. See special mention.

9. FOUNTAIN FLOYD3. Born in 1795. In early life he made a flatboat trading trip to New Orleans and never returned to Kentucky. He married a planter's daughter, whose name is not known to the Virginia family, and established a large sugar plantation on the Sabine River in southwest Louisiana near Beaumont. He had a daughter and two sons. When the war between the States commenced the latter went into the Confederate service. The elder, Charles, was killed at or near Arkansas Post, and the younger, Alonzo, fell at or near Sabine Pass. It is believed the daughter died during, or just after, the war."

These attributions are in part speculation and in some cases have since been disproven.

Fri, 12 Feb 1999, "Dorothy Strawn" <dott@globalpac.com> : Chas. Floyd and Mary Stewart were my GGG Grandparents. I, too used the source from N.J. Floyd book of 1912 and also info listed in pages of ANCESTRY AND POSTERITY OF M. V. FLOYD, by Thad Kinneman, 1967. Kinneman used info from CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN OF WM. and ABADIAH (DAVIS) FLOYD, compiled 1966 by A. M. Cartilidge. I am a Daughter of the American Revolution and am seeking documented proof that Cynthia Stewart Floyd was indeed the daughter of Chas. and Mary Stewart Floyd. I have sent in copies of all this info to the Daughters, but they still want more proof. I have visited the grave of Cynthia, who married John Addison Smith. She is buried in Gaines Cemetery in Illinois. Mary Stewart Floyd is also buried in Illinois in the Wisetown Cemetery. If you have any other info, I would certainly appreciate having it. If there is anything I might have, please let me know and will be glad to share. There are several versions of their children and when they were born. (ed.: this is an understatement, as I return to these notes after some time away!)

BF Reinauer III <BFR3@worldnet.att.net> writes (November 2000): Pat, I am sending the monograph 'Children and Grandchildren of William and Abadiah (Davis) Floyd' compiled by Anna Margaret Cartlidge.... Anna was the great-granddaughter of John Wesley Floyd (1789-1848), son of Charles and Mary (Stewart) Floyd....

Anna Cartlidge has fourteen children for Charles and Mary: Nancy 1787, Charles 1788, John 1789, Elizabeth 1790, William 1791, Nathaniel 1793, Jane 1794, Fountain 1796, Abigail 1797, Sarah 1799, Mary 1800, Thomas 1802, Cynthia 1804, and James 1808.

N. J. Floyd says there were twelve children (p. 27): Davis b. before the War, Gabriel b. before the War, Charles, 1782, died with Lewis and Clark, Nancy 1784, Elizabeth m. 1813, Mary m. 1822, Cynthia, Nathaniel 1793, and Fountain 1795.

Thus we have the following (using Anna's list as the base case):

Nancy Hawes Floyd: born in 1787 or 1784, and Anna says m. William Edwards, NJ Floyd says m. George Rogers. (Note the Hawes name which was Mary Stewart's mother's family.)
Charles Stewart Floyd: no agreement. Anna says not the one who went west with Lewis and Clark. Two different Charleses. Anna has Charles of Lewis and Clark born of Robert Clark Floyd.
John Wesley Floyd: None in NJ Floyd's work. (This is Anna's ancestor.)
Elizabeth H. Floyd: they agree.
William T. Floyd: None in NJ Floyd's work.
Nathaniel Wilson Floyd. They agree.
Jane Breckinridge Floyd: None in NJ Floyd.
Fountain R. Floyd: They seem to agree.
Abigail Davis Floyd: None in NJ Floyd.
Sarah P. Floyd: None in NJ Floyd.
Mary W. Floyd: They agree.
Thomas Floyd: None in NJ Floyd.
Cynthia S. Floyd: They agree on a Cynthia.
James Harvey Floyd: None in NJ Floyd ....and Alex Luken adds Kezia Floyd in 1809.

If we accept fifteen children, then the major differences become which is the Charles we have and whom Nancy married. I will adopt birth dates that I think are reasonable, but some of these children are born awfully close together. Something is perhaps akimbo here. And writing now in April 2001, I think it is that we have a jumble of children of both Robert and Charles, with, perhaps, Anna Cartlidge's work much the better at sorting it all. And, in part for this reason, I am adopting her view of where Sergeant Charles Floyd should be placed, under his father Robert.

One other issue looms: Anna cites her source in her 1966 paper for Charles Floyd's birth and parentage as (1:27). She refers to NJ Floyd's work as number 1 in her references, and page 27 in that text plainly has Sergeant Charles born in 1782 and "Died on Lewis and Clark expedition, 1804." In another instance, Anna also cites the bible of John Burford and Nancy Stewart Floyd, but omits John's natural birth as a child of John Floyd and Virginia Burford, shown elsewhere in my notes. He was clearly of William of Amherst's grandchildren she catalogued; why did she omit him? Because he was born a Floyd out of wedlock?

Anna accurately sets the marriage of Charles and Mary Stewart Floyd in Amherst Co. 3 July 1786.
(Marriages by People Named Floyd by Anna M. Cartlidge). This date alone is fairly compelling evidence that much of NJ Floyd's work stands on shaky ground. Their marriage is recorded in Marriage Book 1, Pg. 29, Amherst Co., Va. If this date is true, it adds substance to the fact that the older children (Elizabeth and Davis and Charles) and are indeed Robert's. All are born before Charles and Mary were joined.

Larry Reno (Lawrence W. Reno <LRRDEN@earthlink.net>) says that the actual children of Charles and Mary were:

1. Nancy Haws Floyd, born in 1787 in VA.
2. Charles Stewart Floyd, born 3 Feb1788 in Jefferson Co., KY.
3. John Wesley Floyd , born 18 Feb1789, Pond's Settlement, KY.
4. Elizabeth H. Floyd, born 14 Apr 1790.
5. William T. Floyd, born 5 Aug1791, Pond's Settlement.
6. Nathaniel Wilson Floyd, born 5 Jan 1793, Pond's Settlement.
7. Jane Breckenridge Floyd, born 2 Nov 1794.
8. Fountain R. Floyd, born 26 Aug 1796 in VA.
9. Abigail Davis Floyd, born 20 Mar 1797 in KY.
10. Sarah P. Floyd, born 4 Jul 1799.
11. Mary W. ("Polly") Floyd, born 15 Nov1800.
12. Thomas Floyd, born 26 May 1802 in KY.
13. Cynthia S. Floyd, born 26 Jul 1804 in KY.
14. James Harvey Floyd, born 23 Jun 1808 in KY.
(Almost all of the above from Cartlidge, "William and Abadiah.")

Larry Reno is also in possession of this very revealing letter to him from Anna Cartlidge:

"Just found a letter I received from Anna Cartlidge, dated 24 March 1968. Here's what she says about NJ: 'I was very sorry to see that Mr. Kinnaman had included a picture of Charles Floyd in uniform in his book. That is not our Charles. It is Charles Floyd of Georgia. Mr. Brice Clagett of Washington, D.C., has the walls of his house covered with pen and ink drawings made by his great-grandfather, John Floyd, who was a grandson of Charles of Georgia; and among them is this picture. When Nicholas Jackson Floyd was preparing his book in 1912, he found that someone in our Floyd family had a copy of the picture, and he immediately jumped to the conclusion that it was Charles, son of William. That, and all the other very numerous and glaring errors in his book have confused researchers for years. In fact, the only accurate part of his book is that which deals with the generations he knew personally. Almost everything before that is wrong. It was because of the erroneous information people were being furnished from his book by libraries and historical societies that I got out the first edition of my booklet. ... I think you will find everything you need for the first two generations (Charles and Stewart) in my booklet. For the first two generations (for DAR or SAR membership), all you have to do is refer the Society to my booklet, giving person's name, for the D.A.R. Library has a copy, and all references are listed. ... I do professional genealogical work so know pretty well what is needed. Also, I am chairman of that particular committee of the DAR Chapter to which I belong.' "

The dates of the children's births I take from a paper given me by Lawrence W. Reno, citing dates in a personal notebook compiled by Martin V. B. Floyd, a grandson of Charles and Mary. The unpublished paper is James C. Mordy's "The Paternity of Sgt. Charles Floyd of the Lewis and Clark Expedition and the Children of Robert Clark Floyd (1752- 1807) and Charles Floyd (1760- 1828)," Kansas City, March, 2000. Larry Reno has been very kind to share his information with me. Later, Larry sent the actual pages in a photostat which are very clear, and the specific dates below are from that record and so footnoted.

  More About Mary Stewart:
Burial: the Wisetown Cemetery, Dudleyville, IL72

  Marriage Notes for Charles Floyd and Mary Stewart:
Surprisingly, this entry in the index of Amherst Co., Va. weddings is "3 Jul 1786, John Floyd to Mary Stewart, Parent or guardian: Charles Stewart, consent of brother).

It is clearly not John, but his brother Charles Floyd, who marries Mary Stewart.

  ix.   James Floyd, born Abt. 1763.
  Notes for James Floyd:
Anna Cartlidge and others do not show James, but there appears to be one, and I will add him here pending more detail.... The child Nicati is a similar add-- makes sense that this generation have a Nicketti as others do, and we know there is one aged 71 in the 1850 census living with Professor Holmes and his wife Lavalette!

  x.   Nathaniel Floyd73,73, born Abt. 176774; died 1842 in Louisville, KY75; married (1) Hannah Tuley 26 July 1790 in Bourbon Co., KY75; born Abt. 1770; died Abt. 1791; married (2) Mary White 16 March 1793 in Louisville, Jefferson Co., KY; born Abt. 1770; died 184076.
  Notes for Nathaniel Floyd:
He fought in the Battle of New Orleans and later walked home to Ky. (Anna Cartlidge.)

Alex Luken found this fascinating and remarkable document-- how I'd like that cherry table!

"Jefferson Co. Bond & Power of Attorney Book 2

September 10th, 1799

I, Nathl Floyd am bound by obligation dated Feby. 7th 1797 to William White for the payment of L110, the penalty of the said obligation is L220 which was to have been paid August 1st, next after the date of the said obligation and whereas the said William White is bound as my security in an obligation, I gave Samuel Lawrence for delivery of 500 bus. of good sound merchantable Indian Corn between November 15th and December 15th in the present year and as it is out of my power at this time to pay the obligation of L110 due to said White, without braking up my family on account of greatt scarcity of money & whereas the said White apprehends danger of his suffering in conscience of his securityship for me to the said Samuel Lawrence and the case of my making him the said White secure in both the aforesaid obligations he is willing to wait further payment on the said L110. For security I have therefore sold unto the said William White the following: All the horse and cattle I now own, 3 feather beds, bedsteads & furniture, 1 Cherry dining table, 1 square walnut table, 1 large trunk, 1 chest, 1 waggon, Jack Screws and 4 pair Geirs, 1 barshear plow, 17 large queensware plates, 13 breakfast plates, 1 tureen, 1 pitcher, 1 tea and coffeepot, two quart bowls, 2 sugar dishes, 2 cream jugs, 3 queensware dishes, 3 weaters, 1 pint decanter, 3 cruetts and quart flowered mug, 2 looking glasses, 2 puter dishes, 2 tin boxes, 6 flag bottom chairs, 2 narrow and 1 broad ax, 1 hand saw & 3 hammers, 1 frying pan, 1 cupboard, 9 head of geese, a parcel of flax & cotton, 9 stocks of blades and the whole and entire crop of Indian Corn made by me at the plantation whereon I now reside and I defend all of the said articles, etc., sold William White against all other claims.

Nathl Floyd

Sept. 10th, 1799
Wt: William Hodge, Wiate P. Tuley"

(Editor: Some report that the early Wyatt Powells all spelled their name Wiatt.... this is the Wiatt Preston Tuley in these notes elsewhere... and Wm White must be Mary's father...)

  Marriage Notes for Nathaniel Floyd and Hannah Tuley:
Courtesy Alex Luken of Louisville: Nathaniel Floyd to Hannah Tuley 25 July 1790. Bond John Sloan. Samuel and Mary Tuley give consent for marriage of their daughter Hannah to Nathaniel Floyd. Witness: Ozwell Phillop (Oswell Phillips) and John Tuley

  xi.   Abigail Davis Floyd76, born Abt. 1770 in VA77,78; died 1834 in Prob. Bullitt Co., KY where her will was probated; married (1) Thomas S. Smith 21 January 1790 in Jefferson Co., KY79; born Abt. 1760 in probably NC; died 1801 in Bullitt Co., KY80; married (2) James Alexander 11 March 1802 in Bullitt Co., KY; born Abt. 1770; died Bet. 1827 - 1830.
  Notes for Abigail Davis Floyd:
This Abba in the Jefferson Co. records is almost certainly the younger sister of John Floyd. She not only shares her mother's name, but the father standing with her at her marriage is "Will." Her will was probated in the State of Kentucky, Bullitt Co. Court on April 21, 1834: (courtesy of Alex Luken)

Will Book B page 368 Will of Abigail Alexander
In the name of God amen. I, Abigail Alexander being weak in body, but of sound mind and memory, do ordain this my last will and testimony. I give and bequeath to my son, Sydney S. Alexander all of my estate (after the payment of my just debts) both rea and personal, upon the condition, that he pays to my daughter Polly Beckwith four hundred Dollars. It is also my desire if Sydney finds himself in a condition to do so, without embarrassment to himself, that he refund to my son Thomas Smith Three hundred Dollars it being the sum of money said Thomas heretofore advanced to my son Frederic - but I do not impose upon Sydney as a legal obligation. In Testimony whereof I have herein unto set my hand this 14th day of January, 1834. (signature) Abigail Alexander
Signed by William R. Grigsby for A. Alexander at her request in the presence of tesator and we witnessed the same in her presence at her request and in the presence of one another. She ackn before us both.WITNESS Noah C. Summers, William R. Grigsby State of Kentucky Bullitt Co. Court April 21, 1834, David B. Abernathy, Deputy Clerk, for Noah C. Summers Clerk of said Court do certify that this last Will and Testament of Abigail Alexander, dec. was produced in an open court on the 17th day of February, 1834 and proved by the oath of Noah C. Summers one of the subscribing witnesses thereto and was again in open court on the 21 April, 1834 fully proved by the oath of William R. Grigsby the other subscribing witness thereto as order to be recorded, which is done. David B. Abernathy, Deputy Clerk for N. C. Summers CBCC

  Notes for Thomas S. Smith:
Note the discrepancy in death and marriage dates..... Interestingly, Anna Cartlidge says he lived until about 1801 and died on his farm in Bullitt Co., Ky. Because there is a later marriage (possibly his), I am taking Anna's date of 1801 as probably the better.

Alex Luken sends this: "To muddy the waters even more... I think it is probable that he (Thomas Smith) was married before. In the notes on John Helm Floyd's family, it says that George Floyd married Cynthia Smith, daughter of Col. Robert Smith and granddaughter of Thomas Smith, a private in the Rev. War. While I know how common the name Thomas Smith must have been, there is the time/place factor that cannot be overlooked. Thomas was 10 years older than Abigail, which makes it even more likely that he had been married before.... you note that Anna Cartlidge said that he lived to 1801 and died on his farm in Bullitt Co., but Kathleen Jennings said that he died in 1786 at Brashears fort. Is it possible that Kathleen is wrong and that it was Thomas' first wife that died in 1786? Could Thomas who married Abigail be much older than you show him?

Here is a Thomas that initially settled in Bourbon Co. KY. Note that the last child was born in 1784.

Name: Thomas SMITH

Marriage 1 Elizabeth REYNOLDS b: in Dublin County, Ireland
Married: 1763 Children
John SMITH b: 1764
Margaret SMITH b: 10 Aug 1766
Elizabeth SMITH b: 1768
Sarah SMITH b: 1770
James SMITH b: 16 Jun 1772
Ann SMITH b: 25 Aug 1774
Rebecca SMITH b: 9 Sep 1776
Mary SMITH b: 1778
Thomas SMITH b: 1780
Robert SMITH b: 12 Feb 1784 "

Then we have this note from Gina: "Smith Family" <familybranches@communicomm.com>

"Hello Pat, While looking for info on my Thomas Smith, I found your Thomas Smith, and discovered I may have something that would possibly help you. There is a will in Scott Co., which is now neighbor to Bourbon Co., any how it names a Thomas Smith and a surname Davis wife. I hope it is of some help to you. Our Smith lines sure did share a lot of common 1st names. But I can't find a connection anywhere. Mine were in Clay and Knox Co.s Ky in the southeastern portion of the state. Gina" She refers to a site where the below is extracted from "a book of wills" in Scott County:

"SMITH, THOMAS. Sept. 11, 1799. ---- 1800. Wife: Tilly (Davis). Sons: Thomas, William, John. Daus: Peggy Bryant, Fanny Davis, Mary Davis. son John. Wit: William Ward, William Mc Garrick."

This could well be the same family.

  xii.   Nicati Floyd, born Abt. 1778.
  Notes for Nicati Floyd:
Anna Cartlidge and others do not show Nicati, but there appears to be one, and I will add her here pending more detail.... It makes sense that this generation have a Nicketti as others do, and we know there is one aged 71 in the 1850 census living with Professor Holmes and his wife Lavalette! We do not know where she arose from, however....



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