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Descendants of Samuel Rose




Generation No. 1


1. SAMUEL1 ROSE1,2,3,4 was born Abt. 1719 in Nine Partners, Dutchess Co., New York5, and died 1777 in Place unknown Probably Vermont6. He married SARAH REYNOLDS7 Abt. 1744 in VT7, daughter of REYNOLDS. She was born 1721 in VT8, and died 9.

Notes for SAMUEL ROSE:
These notes were taken from notes compiled by Christine Rose, CG, CGL, FASG
1474 Montelegre Drive San Jose California 95120
Sent to Gloria Walker February 28, 1998

Samuel Rose Family
Dutchess County, New York; Bennington County Vermont

Note: This is subject to corrections, additions, omissions etc. and is only for the purpose of further search. It is not a commissioned report, but is a correlation of various data from personal research at courthouses, data from Bibles, tombstones, census, war files, family data, etc. It needs in some instances citations added, and some branches need further research. Nonetheless, it contains valuable data collected to date.

Samuel Rose, parentage unknown and birth unknown. He died sometime before March 27, 1782, at which time Joel Rose was appointed administer of his estate in Bennington, Co. VT.

He married Sarah.... who outlived him. It has been suggested that her last name was Marsh though there is no confirmation of this.

Though Samuel Rose was a large property owner in later life in Vermont, he does not seem to have owned property in Duchess County, New York. He is not to be found in the deeds of that county. However, Samuel Rose is listed in the "Index to Ancient Documents" in the Courthouse of Duchess County.

Samuel Rose, 1747, Pok, Dec. , #3601
Samuel Rose, 1747, Pok, Writ, #3729
Samuel Rose 1748, Pok & 9 Part., Dec., #2361
Samuel Rose 1788, Pok, Recog., #12077

This compiler (Christine Rose) personally examined the above documents in September 1984 at the Courthouse in Dutchess County. All but the last were located; the last in 1788 is NOT the correct number, though it is copied from the index. Samuel Rose Sr. was deceased in 1788, but it may have been a record concerning his son, a loyalist. Presumably the "Pok" refers to Poughkeepsie.
The Abstract
#2361, May Court 1751, Henry Felkin assignee of Elizabeth Clar, complaint against Samuel Rose, who is in custody of the high Sherriff of Dutchess County, whereas in February 1748 within the jurisdiction of this court Samuel Rose made his certain note in writing in sum of four pounds ten shillings good and lawful money of New York on or before the --? day of January following ... Samuel in arrears ... Elizabeth subsequently on March 25, 1749 at Poghkeepsie assigned the note to above Henry who is now seeking to recover. At the bottom of this original document is a copy of the not in which "I Samuel Rose of the Nine partners' promises to pay the sum, dated February 13, 1748/49

#3729, Samuel Rose in Custody of Coroner (who evidently acted in The capacity similar to a Sheriff) of Dutchess Co. Samuel was found in arrears on a debt to Clare Everitt for 3 lbs. 1 sh. 8 pence. Dated Oct 24, 1755, Court of Inferior. Please. The debt was evidently incurred Dec 7, 1747

#3601, Clare Everitt Esq complains against Samuel Rose, in Custody of the Coroner of Dutchess County, whereas the aforesaid Samuel Rose the 7th of Dec 1747 at Poghkeepsie, in account wit Clare Everitt was in arrears for 3 pounds one shilling and 8 pence, said Samuel faithfully promised to pay said Everitt, etc. (seems to be yet another sum due. Rose refuses to pay.

Somehow Samuel resolved these difficulties, and later was evidently in better circumstances judging from the amount of land he owned in Vermont after his removal there.

From a book by Clifford M. Buck, listed in "Nine Partners, Crum Elbow, Charlotte 1738/39 - 1779," it appears Samuel Rose/Rosse/Ross, 1743/44 - June 1768. I have not personally seen this for further explanation of the list it contains, and it should be further examined. Margaret Amey, who sent the information, states it is from Tax Lists compiled by Mr. Buck.

It is said that Samuel Rose removed from Amenia, Dutchess Co., New York to Vermont about 1764 and built one of the first houses in Manchester. At this his time Manchester (formed 1764) was part of Charlotte County, New York. On a New York map of 1788, Charlotte county was bounded by Canada on the north;Albany Co., New York on the south; Montgomery Co., New York on the west; and Lake Champlain and Vermont on the east. It would appear that later, parts of The present counties of Esses, Clinton, Warren, Saratogo and Washington all in New York state, came from that county.

His move to Vermont was preceded by preparations for four years . From J. C. Williams, "The History and Map of Danby, Vermont", (Rutland, VT. ' McLean & Robbins, 1869), pp 7-11, it is stated that in the preliminary proceedings to the settlement of the town, petitioners held a meeting Sept 24, 1760, "at the house of Nathan Shepard, in Nine Partners, Dutchess County, N.Y. The notice for this meeting was signed by Samuel Rose and Matthew Ford, two of the petitioners. At that meeting Jonathan Ormsby was appointed Clerk, and Samuel Rose was appointed an agent to go to Albany and get what information he could relative to obtaining a grant for the townships above referred to. in the western part of the Province of New Hampshire. Captain William Lamson of Albany had been employed by The petitioners to procure this grant, the result of whose proceedings Rose was to learn, and report at their next meeting. Rose was to have twelve shilling per day for his services, and find (sic) himself." In a receipt dated "Nine Partners, N.Y. , Sept 24, 1760, " Samuel Rose signed acknowledging their receipt of three pounds and two shillings towards defraying the charge of going to Albany. The meeting was adjourn ed to October 8th, but at that meeting Samuel Rose did not make his report. Later Jonathan Williard was chosen agent to go to Portsmouth, New Hampshire and procure a Charter; this was accomplished the following year and bears date of August 27th 1761. The names of the original grantees of the township of Danby included Samuel Rose. Thier first meeting was held by proprietors of The township of Danby at The Great Nine Partners, Cromelbow Precinct, Dutchess County on September 22, 1761. At that time Mr Samuel Rose was voted 3rd Committee. The first annual meeting was held by the proprietors at the house of Jonathan Reynold, inn holder at Nine Partners, on The second Tuesday of March 1762. Samuel Rose was chosen on of the assessors. The surveys in the first division were completed during the summer of 11763. In the fall of 1763 or spring of 1764, a road was laid out form Bennington to Danby by Darius Lobdel and Samuel Rose. At the annual meeting held on the second Tuesday of March 1764, held in Amenia Precinct, Samuel Rose was elected moderator, and also assessor. ( I don't not have information beyond page 13 of this book).

From Judge John S. Pettibone, "The Early History of Manchester," Proceedings of the Vermont Historical Society, Vol. 1, No. 4 ( Dec 1930), pp. 152, 153, it is stated that in the summer and fall of 1764, six clearing were commenced, one by Samuel Rose. "The property of William Marsh, Samuel Rose, Jeremiah, Andrew and Benjamin French, Joseph Lockwood, William Reynolds, Joseph Baker who lived near James Wheaton, Dater Selick, and David Sturges, was all confiscated on the 23rd of April 1778 by His Excellency, Thomas Chittenden, Timothy Brownson, Joseph Bowker and Jeremiah Clark, The property of others living in the State who had taken side with the enemy was confiscated by this same Court of Confiscation, Samuel Rose, Senior, Who died in 1777 or 1778, was the largest land owner in town, His whole property would have been confiscated, I have been informed by those who lived in the neighborhood, if he had lived a few months longer. "This if correct, would indicate that Samuel Rose died some years before this estate was probated.

      From Gazzetor of Vermont ( as abstracted and sent to Rose Family Association) Christine Rose.

Book 2
p. 10, Oct 21, 1773, 150 acres, lot in Danby in the 3rd division, Samuel Rose, original proprietor.

p. 42 Nov 7, 1769, At a meeting held in Amenia, Dutchess Co., NY. in March 1764, land in Danby, lot # 52, laid out to Samuel Rose.

p. 37 Samuel Rose bought lot # 50 from Zephania Buck of Litchfield , Conn. January 4, 1789 ( this land was granted to Zep Buck Aug 27, 1761 by Govenor. of N.H.). Deed recorded. Jan 14, 1769.

p. 39, Samuel Rose of Amenia, Dutchess Co., N.Y. both 1/2 of whole right of land in Danby from Joseph Fowler, Lot # 51, May 25, 1765. Recorded April 20, 1769.

The following were from scraps with torn edges, and appear to be from Town Meetings of Manchester, VT. Abstracts sent to Rose Family Association.

p. 20, Voted that Samuel Rose, William Marsh and John Roberts be committee to lay out all roads in the town that shall be necessary. (date?)

p. ? March 1771, more meetings, Samuel Rose mentioned.

May 8, 1782, Samuel Rose to Jonathan Sprague for 10 shillings, sale by public auction for tax, 1 shilling etc.

Manchester, June 3, 1782, road laid out to Sandgate running near the widow Roses' house.

The estate of Samuel Rose was probated in Manchester Probate District, Vermont. In probate court (book---, pp. 59), at a court held for the District of Manchester, April 7, 1782, estate of Samuel Rose, late of Manchester, administration granted to Joel Rose of said Manchester who gave bond. The next item, p 59, at a court held for the District of Manchester Oct 13, 1785, the above named administrator exhibited an inventory. this included the home farm containing 200 acres, being Lots 6 and 33; Lot # 11 containing 100 acres; 75 acres of land being the NW Corner of the Grovener's Lot so called in Manchester; 60 acres of land in the NE corner of sd Lot; 4 acres lying south of the above sd 60; 48 acres in Sunderland being part of the lot # 16 in the fifty Division of Fifty acre Lots; # 14 a 100 acre lot on the east side of the river; 60 acres lying north of --? farm being part of the three pitches; 4 lots on the town plot; two 50 acre pitches in The 5th division; of fifty acre pitch lying west of the home farm; 10 acres lying east of # 6; 14 acres lying east of The school lot; 26 acres being the Completion; of a pitch of which the above 10 and 14 are a part; 11 acres lying west of No 34 old hundred acre lot; 75 acres being par of the government lot SW? corner; total 1594.18.0. On the next page (60) the estate continues, and shows the farm set out to Samuel Rose "Son to the Deceased" containing 182 acres; the farm set out to Joel Rose 105 acres; The farm set out to Ara Rose; total appraisement of these three farms 798.12.0 making a sub total of 2392.10.0. It contains further, on 100 acre lot in "Pollet," one right in "Wabridge," one half mentions a fifty acre lot sold by Samule Rose son to the deceased. It concludes on this page, "the Remainder of one whole Right in Manchester after the 4th Division.

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From State Papers of Vermont, General Petitions 1778-1787
pp 158-19, petition of John White and Jabez Hawley, both of Manchester in the county of Bennington, to the General Assembly of the state of Vermont, state that Samuel Rose late of Manchester did in his lifetime sell unto Jona Wright 150 acres lying in Manchester, and to Isaac Peck 50 acres in Manchester, and took their notes, binding himself to give a deed which was not done in his lifetime. After his death Samuel Rose Junior, eldest son to the deceased, according to the laws of the state of New York under which jurisdiction the lands then lay, became sold heir at law to all the lands of his deceased father. Petitioners had before the formation of this state purchased the aforesaid lands, and paid the notes, and said Samuel Rose Junior, as sold (?!) heir at law, gave them deeds according to the laws of Vermont. Joel Rose of Manchester according to the laws of Vermont took Letters of Administration of the estate of the said Samuel Rose deceased, and "is willing to do anything in his power to confirm the title," and therefore petitioners prayed that the assembly would make a law to enable the aforesaid Joel Rose to give to the petitioners deeds of the lands. Dated at Manchester October 1785.

Items from the Vermont Gazette 1783 as extracted and sent by Marsha Rising, C.G.



From WFT #5 disk: Nine Partners is now Amenia, Amenia, Charlotte Precinct, Dutchess Co. New York.
Samuel's Estate is dated 3-27-1782, will probated 10-13-1785, Joel Rose appointed administrator.

[Brøderbund WFT Vol. 5, Ed. 1, Tree #0579, Date of Import: Mar 23, 2000]

Nine Partners is now Amenia, Amenia, Charlotte Precinct, Dutchess Co. New York.
Samuel's Estate is dated 27 Mar 1782, will probated 13 Oct 1785, Joel Rose appointed Administrator.
[Brøderbund WFT Vol. 5, Ed. 1, Tree #0579, Date of Import: Mar 23, 2000]

Nine Partners is now Amenia, Amenia, Charlotte Precinct, Dutchess Co. New York.
Samuel's Estate is dated 27 Mar 1782, will probated 13 Oct 1785, Joel Rose appointed Administrator.
[Brøderbund WFT Vol. 5, Ed. 1, Tree #0579, Date of Import: Mar 30, 2000]

Nine Partners is now Amenia, Amenia, Charlotte Precinct, Dutchess Co. New York.
Samuel's Estate is dated 27 Mar 1782, will probated 13 Oct 1785, Joel Rose appointed Administrator.


DNA Study: Samuel Rose of Manchester, Vermont

The origins of Samuel Rose have been a stumbling block to a large number of researchers for many years, despite their best efforts. Large amounts of time and money have been spent in search of his origins, but evidence of ties to earlier Roses has proved very elusive. However, this earlier work yielded fairly good documentation of his life, especially after 1760, and very substantial knowledge of his family

The earliest known records of Samuel are in the 1740's, in the Precinct of Crum Elbow, Dutchess County, New York. Although his name does not appear on any known land deeds there, he is listed as having paid taxes in that Precinct from 1743 to 17681. He is also the subject of three separate Court Records from Dutchess County (Poughkeepsie), under which proceedings were dated from 7 Dec 1747 to 24 Oct 17552.

Samuel is well documented as being heavily involved in several meetings in Crum Elbow and Amenia, pertaining to the impending settlement of Danby and Manchester. These meetings took place on several dates, ranging from 1759 to 17653. He was the Moderator on one occasion, and was often appointed by the group in attendance to take various actions and perform duties on their behalf. Further records from Crum Elbow Precinct show that the “ear mark” of Samuel Rose (registration of ‘branding’ label for his livestock) was recorded by the town clerk4. He built his first home in Manchester in 1764, and his family was in permanent residence by 1765. He became one of the wealthiest residents, and a large landowner. The time of his death is in considerable question. Although the settlement of his estate did not begin until 1782, references suggest he died much earlier, probably by about 1777. His son Arra occupied the family home at that time, and it is said that much of his property would have been seized for his Loyalist sympathies had he lived longer. Son Samuel (the Tory) had his own seized soon thereafter.

In recently proving Samuel’s marriage to Sarah Reynolds (d/o Peter Reynolds & Sarah Knapp), several property deeds recorded in Greenwich CT were used, in which his residence was consistently listed as Nine Partners, Dutchess Co., NY.

In respect to Samuel’s origins various opinions have been espoused, based both on stories passed down through various branches of the family, and from considerable circumstantial evidence. These hypotheses generally focused on (although were not limited to) Robert Rose from England, the Roses of Kilravock, Scotland, and Aldert Haymanse Roosa from Holland. Documentary evidence was very confusing, and thus open to interpretation. Some of the circumstances are:

In support of the English theories (Robert Rose, who settled in Branford and Wethersfield) , it has been pointed out that Samuel married a girl of English background, and most of his family did as well. Most of his associates involved in the settlement of Manchester were also English. It is certain that this family, if of other ancestry, was very much “Anglicized” by the time they were in Manchester.
The tax records referred to previously for Crum Elbow also include Arie Rosa (again, various spellings), in the same area as Samuel. He appears there from 1739 to 1741, his “estate” in 1745. There is a baptism for a Zamuel Roosa 16 May 17255, s/o Ary Roosa and Johanna de Hooges. Arien Roosa is listed by the name “Rose” as early as 1683, when he applied for a land grant in Dutchess County.
Possible Scottish connections, through various branches have also been considered, as they are the most populous of all the Roses in America, and some family traditions pointed there.
A Palatine family, Johannes Rose, was also once considered, but no substantiated documentary evidence found.

Although there are other (English) Samuels born in CT from that period, none are ever known to have gone to New York, and all documentation seems to be inconsistent with our Samuel.

Naming patterns in Samuel Rose family:
The given names of his children are as follows: Samuel II, Joel, Ara, Joshua, Abraham, Permilla, Phebe, Rachel, Elizabeth & Lydia.

Elizabeth and Lydia were names of Sarah Reynolds sisters.

Rachel was a name used by Arrie Roosa and Johanna deHooge for a daughter.

Abraham was a name used by Arrie Roosa’s brother Evert for a son.

Joshua was the name of Sarah’s grandfather, and it shows up in the Reynolds line with regularity.

Ara, although an uncommon name, appears repeatedly, through spelling variations, in the Dutch Roosa family.

While many of the Dutch and Palatine settlers took sides against the British, there also remains the understandable fact that the wealthy (as the Roses were) generally favor the “Status Quo” or “Conservative” side, at that time the British. Also, many of the wealthy settlers, regardless of origins, did business with the British. The British were capable of paying, and often did pay very handsomely for their needs. If so, one would certainly not expect them to ‘bite the hand that fed’. Indeed, it has been suggested that Samuel supplied horses to the British. This may also explain some of his heretofore unaccounted for wealth.

All of the land associated with the Reynolds family in Dutchess, including some in the “care” of Samuel and Sarah6, was known to be in the Pine Plains area, north end of the county. On an early map of Dutchess County (circa 1740) there appears the name "Rose's Mills", located about half way between the MA — CT border and the Hudson River, near today's Elizaville.

1. Samuel Rose was christened on 16 May 1725 in Kingston,Ulster Co.,NY. He died before 23 Apr 1778 in Manchester,Bennington,Vermont. He was buried in Manchester,Bennington,Vermont. [Parents]

Little is known of Samuel's earlier life, and nothing has been established to date on his ancestry (see DNA Study). The first known records of him arein the tax lists of Clifford M. Buck, which list him in Dutchess (CrumElbow Precinct) 1743-4 to 6-1768. His name does not appear on any land deeds in this area, but he is also found in the court records from Dutchess County in 1747 and 1748, where he was in financial disputes upto 1755. Samuel was very heavily involved in a long series of meetings regarding the prospective settlement of Danby and Manchester, whichstarted in 1759, and culminated with his removal to Manchester in 1764and 1765. In these meetings, some of which he moderated, he was designated to fulfill various duties on behalf of the group present.

Settlement of the Manchester Area did not commence until after 1760, by which time the peril of Indian Raids had been vastly reduced. The grantof Manchester township was dated 8-11-1761 to a group of speculators, who never took up residence. The group from Amenia, Dutchess Co (NinePartners) were also involved as early as 9-24-1760, when Samuel waschosen to go to Albany on their behalf. On 8-27-1761 he was one of theoriginal grantees of the township of Danby. Still desiring to settle in Manchester, they met again on 2-14-1764 at the home of Michael Hopkins to organize, naming Samuel Rose as Moderator and Jonathan Ormsby as Clerk. This group, which also included Timothy Mead, Jeremiah French, WilliamMarsh, and Samuel Robinson, among others, then purchased the property from the original proprietors. There was about 23000 acres involved. Over the next two years, they took up residence. New York soon disputed the grants and tried to seize the area, raising the ire of most of these settlers. Several raids followed, including one directly on the Rosehome in the winter of 1770-71. Mrs. Rose was alone when the NY Sheriff,vTen Eyck, arrived to start the eviction. The neighbors assembled in a "riotous" manner, and Eyck soon chose to cool his heels in a hasty retreat to Albany. He returned some time later, accompanied by a fewhundred men, but they too retreated in the face of the armed settlers. As the Revolutionary War began, Vermont was not one of the ThirteenColonies, and took a somewhat Independent course. About one third of the residents of Manchester took the British (Tory) side, another third favored independence (Whigs), and the rest were neutral. The earlysettlers, who had stood united against much adversity, including the NewYork claims, found themselves at war with each other. Thus, when Gen.John Burgoyne marched on the area, he had the support of many, includingmost of the large land owners, who favored the status quo. Samuel Sr.apparently died about that time, as son Arra was living in his first home. (see Manchester in Vermont History, Chapin, 1932) It is claimedthat Samuel Sr., the largest land owner in town, would have had all his property seized with others, had he lived a few months longer. The Rosesmade no profession of religion, and did little or nothing for it's support. (Pettibone manuscript, Vermont Hist. Soc., 1930)

Canadian Rose Roots:
"In the area which was then known as the New Hampshire Grants, but is no win Vermont, Samuel Rose, formerly of Amenia (Nine Partners) New York, built the first log house in 1764, in the southwestern corner of theTownship of Bennington. In 1769, Rose also built the first framed housein the settlement. This was a very turbulent period as, at the time, this area was claimed by the two Royal Provinces - New Hampshire and NewYork. The Governor of New York declared all New Hampshire grants nulland void and began re-granting to a ring of influential land-grabbers which included some of the officials of the province. New Hampshire declined to defend the titles it had granted. In 1767, the Bennington settlers sent an envoy to London. The King ordered a stay of proceedings until he could determine the rights of the matter. New York ignored thedecree. The first rumblings of the storm to come were heard in Octoberof 1769, when officers from Albany attempted to survey new lines near Bennington. There followed various events - such as confiscation oflands - leading to the formation of the 'Green Mountain Boys' and the events leading to the American Revolution. A notable confiscation was that of the Rose Family in the southwestern part of town. Samuel Rose had led the original group of settlers. Some of his sons turned Loyalist. According to local legend, Samuel Rose Jr. had organized the Tory party just before the Bennington Campaign (August 1777). His estate (Rose Jr.'s) was confiscated in September 1777. Rose Jr. left Bennington in 1778."

Widow Sarah and all children are listed in his division of property, dated Mar. 27, 1782, and inventoried Oct. 13, 1785 by Gideon Ormsby and John White. It was administered by son Joel, with the assistance ofJoshua and Abraham. It indicated quite vast l and holdings throughout the area. Those which remained to participate in the distribution included Joel, Abraham, Joshua, the descendants of Arra, daughters Rachel Gordon, Elizabeth wife of Josiah Allen, Phebe wife of Zebulon Moses, Lydia wifeof Elijah Smith, and Samuel Irish, son of Jonathan and Milla Irish. (Manchester Records) Division was dated 2-10-1789 and completed 4-5-1790.



Notes for SARAH REYNOLDS:
Margaret Amey writes May 11, 2002
Samuel Rose #1 was not married to Sarah Marsh. His wife was Sarah Reynolds born in 1721 who out lived him by several years. He died about 1777, place unknown, burial unknown, probably in Vermont. There was no will and no probate. My ancestor, the eldest son, was deprived of his share of the estate due to the rebellion and turmoil in the war.
There was no Vermont before 1765 so no was was "born there" in the 1720. The first settlers of New Hampshire Grants called it New Connecticut.


Fwd: Re: Samuel Rose
Date: 1/19/2003 11:42:11 AM Central Standard Time
From: steeples@shaw.ca

Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 10:15:12 -0500 (EST)
From: Christine4Rose@cs.com
Subject: Re: Samuel Rose
To: steeples@shaw.ca

Jim...yes, new info came forth 2-3 years ago, found by someone doing search
on another family in Conn. This proved that Sarah was a Reynolds.
Subsequently we published it in the Rose Family Bulletin.

We have a DNA study going on with Roses, which came out of the initial study
on Samuel Rose/Roosa. We are finding more Roosa links than we thought! We
will be publishing an updated chart in our Mar. 2003 issue. See some general
information on our study at:
http://ourworld.cs.com/christine4rose

Follow the link to our DNA page.
Christine

Naming patterns in Samuel Rose family:
The given names of his children are as follows: Samuel II, Joel, Ara, Joshua, Abraham, Permilla, Phebe, Rachel, Elizabeth & Lydia.

Elizabeth and Lydia were names of Sarah Reynolds sisters.

Rachel was a name used by Arrie Roosa and Johanna deHooge for a daughter.

Abraham was a name used by Arrie Roosa’s brother Evert for a son.

Joshua was the name of Sarah’s grandfather, and it shows up in the Reynolds line with regularity.

Ara, although an uncommon name, appears repeatedly, through spelling variations, in the Dutch Roosa family.

Date: 1/20/2003 7:03:39 PM Central Standard Time
From: steeples@shaw.ca
To: yancywalker@aol.com, maalrose@magma.ca


Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 15:39:07 -0800
From: "David W. Brown" <dnarose@shaw.ca>
Subject: Rose family
To: steeples@shaw.ca

Jim:

Yes, I am connected with Kathleen Rose's page that you saw, but her address has now changed and there is also a new website up at http://home.covad.net/~mahota/ Her husband is a direct descendant of Samuel Rose I, through the Abraham branch. I have been working with her quite a bit over the last 3 years or so, primarily on the Rose Family DNA Project, which I am the administrator of.
It has been a very long time since I was in contact with you. There has been a lot happen in that time period. Kathleen uncovered the information regarding Samuel's wife, and brought it to the attention of myself and many others in 2000. It had been suggested that it was Sarah Marsh, strictly on the basis of his close association with William Marsh in Manchester. However, Kathleen was able to prove conclusively that it was in fact Sarah Reynolds, through several land records recorded in Greenwich. Some of the land involved was in Greenwich, which she had inherited from her father, but all the documents clearly identify her as Sarah Reynolds, wife of Samuel Rose of Nine Partners, NY. She apparently went up to Nine Partners with her brothers following the death of her father in 1742. Kathleen explains it on website, click on "Sarah Reynolds", left.

We started the DNA Project together about 2 years ago, but did not get our first samples out until a little over a year ago. We were really quite shocked with the conclusiveness and speed of the results attained. We expected to have to do several series of tests from various branches, but the very first results were quite clear. Our Samuel Rose was a direct descendant of Aldert Roosa, who came from Holland in 1660! Since then we have had several follow-up tests done as well, all verifying this relationship. We now have a total of 6 results in on known descendants of Aldert, and another 6 on known descendants of Samuel. They are all virtually identical, the maximum difference being 1 single point on 25 different markers. The results of this surprised many of us, including myself, although the possibility was certainly there. His "suggested" lineage is under "Possible Ancestors of Samuel Rose", but I should note that this lineage is not verified by the testing, which cannot determine the actual lineage involved.

Since then, we have been working with the Rose Family Association trying to identify many other connections between various other Rose families. We are having some success with it, and about 90 Roses have provided samples. The home page of the Project is at:
http://ourworld-top.cs.com/Christine4Rose/rosedna.html#anchor120164
This all started from a little clipping of the Vancouver Sun, on a library wall.

I have never looked into your family very much myself. I didn't post very much there, as I prefer not to post others information without their permission, or verifying myself. You mentioned the birthdate of Lydia being uncertain. I have three possible. One I believe you suggested, and one other from another researcher. Her death record, from Meade, shows she died 12-7-1879 at the age of 57 y 7 mo 4 dy, which would indicate birth of May 3, 1822. That is the best I can do!

I hope this is helpful to you.

David W. Brown


More About SAMUEL ROSE and SARAH REYNOLDS:
Marriage: Abt. 1744, VT9
     
Children of SAMUEL ROSE and SARAH REYNOLDS are:
  i.   LYDIA2 ROSE10, b. WFT Est. 1740-176810; d. WFT Est. 1756-185010; m. ELIJAH SMITH10, WFT Est. 1756-180110; b. WFT Est. 1730-176710; d. WFT Est. 1756-184510.
  More About ELIJAH SMITH and LYDIA ROSE:
Marriage: WFT Est. 1756-180110
2. ii.   PERMILLA ROSE, b. WFT Est. 1740-1768; d. WFT Est. 1756-1850.
  iii.   PHEBE ROSE10, b. WFT Est. 1740-176810; d. WFT Est. 1756-185010; m. ZEBULON MOSES10, WFT Est. 1756-180110; b. WFT Est. 1730-176710; d. WFT Est. 1756-184510.
  More About ZEBULON MOSES and PHEBE ROSE:
Marriage: WFT Est. 1756-180110
  iv.   RACHEL ROSE10, b. WFT Est. 1740-176811,12; d. WFT Est. 1756-185012; m. JOSIAH GORDEN12, WFT Est. 1756-180112; b. WFT Est. 1730-176712; d. WFT Est. 1756-184512.
  More About JOSIAH GORDEN and RACHEL ROSE:
Marriage: WFT Est. 1756-180112
3. v.   SAMUEL ROSE I, b. February 17, 1743/44, Of Armenia, Dutchess Co., New York; d. 1789, St. Jean, Quebec, Canada.
4. vi.   JOEL ROSE, b. March 02, 1747/48; d. August 31, 1819, Lysander, Onondaga Co., New York.
5. vii.   JOSHUA ROSE, b. 1755; d. January 19, 1837, Jefferson, New York.
6. viii.   ELIZABETH ROSE, b. Abt. 1762, Ca, Vermont; d. Abt. 1795.
7. ix.   ABRAHAM ROSE, b. April 01, 1767, Manchester, Bennington County, Vermont; d. August 17, 1836, Hornellsville, Steuben County, New York.
8. x.   ARA ROSE, b. WFT Est. 1735-1759; d. December 02, 1784, Manchester, Bennington County, Vermont.

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